nixluva wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:If you watched the substitutions first and second half were almost identical and to the minute.
Felton sat out at the time out begin the 2nd and ditto the 4th. Willaims first off the bench and gave the Knicks extra hieght. Then TD in for Chandler about 5 mintes in the 1st and 3rd. Turiaf last in ran with Douglas and Amar'e on the floor while Felton was out. 9 man rotation.

pretty much been similar for a while.

Fields always first to bench. TD plays with Felton for a while. Amare sits. Amare comes in when Felton goes to bench. Usually Gallo goes to bench before Chandler.

All depends on fouls of course.

The big thing that is STILL not happening is the offense slows when Amare sits. No one either steps up or the whole group is still not fluid or integrated enough to know exactly what to do.

Somehow Mike has to make sure they still run the offense. TD simply doesn't orchestrate well enough. They could look to post Chan or Gallo or run those two in some PnR. Gallo had a nice post against Durant and drew the foul, but they never went back to that. If that play works, they should've went back to it until the Thunder proved they could stop it.

Felton was orchestrator while Amar'e sat. When Felton sat and TD ran the point the offense looked fine. It's when d'A has in the past run so small with Felton and TD with Felton at the helm that they have looked like crap as well. Need one of Turiaf/Stat/Moz on the floor at all times. We got to much hieght not to take advantage of it. Though Rony has been injured.

DUDE! The offense did not look good when TD was running it. He's OK when he's scoring the ball, but on plays just watch what he does and what the rest of the team does when he has the ball. TD had one solid playmaking possession. The PnR to Turiaf was beautiful. He also had a TON of missed wide open plays that he destroyed. The guy just doesn't see the floor.

What I do like is when he's aggressive and attacking the defense. Also when TD shoots within the flow of the offense he's really good. He has some good defensive moments, but has had far too many bad lapses this year. I hope the Kid keeps developing, cuz he's got the raw talent to be a solid player.

Put the prejudice aside and really watch sometime. You have colored your perspective with pre-concieved notions. DUDE try watching both ends as well. Felton doesn't really show any different shot selection than Toney does. This game you are totally wrong. Not that you always are btw

Olbrannon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:If you watched the substitutions first and second half were almost identical and to the minute.
Felton sat out at the time out begin the 2nd and ditto the 4th. Willaims first off the bench and gave the Knicks extra hieght. Then TD in for Chandler about 5 mintes in the 1st and 3rd. Turiaf last in ran with Douglas and Amar'e on the floor while Felton was out. 9 man rotation.

pretty much been similar for a while.

Fields always first to bench. TD plays with Felton for a while. Amare sits. Amare comes in when Felton goes to bench. Usually Gallo goes to bench before Chandler.

All depends on fouls of course.

The big thing that is STILL not happening is the offense slows when Amare sits. No one either steps up or the whole group is still not fluid or integrated enough to know exactly what to do.

Somehow Mike has to make sure they still run the offense. TD simply doesn't orchestrate well enough. They could look to post Chan or Gallo or run those two in some PnR. Gallo had a nice post against Durant and drew the foul, but they never went back to that. If that play works, they should've went back to it until the Thunder proved they could stop it.

Felton was orchestrator while Amar'e sat. When Felton sat and TD ran the point the offense looked fine. It's when d'A has in the past run so small with Felton and TD with Felton at the helm that they have looked like crap as well. Need one of Turiaf/Stat/Moz on the floor at all times. We got to much hieght not to take advantage of it. Though Rony has been injured.

DUDE! The offense did not look good when TD was running it. He's OK when he's scoring the ball, but on plays just watch what he does and what the rest of the team does when he has the ball. TD had one solid playmaking possession. The PnR to Turiaf was beautiful. He also had a TON of missed wide open plays that he destroyed. The guy just doesn't see the floor.

What I do like is when he's aggressive and attacking the defense. Also when TD shoots within the flow of the offense he's really good. He has some good defensive moments, but has had far too many bad lapses this year. I hope the Kid keeps developing, cuz he's got the raw talent to be a solid player.

Put the prejudice aside and really watch sometime. You have colored your perspective with pre-concieved notions. DUDE try watching both ends as well. Felton doesn't really show any different shot selection than Toney does. This game you are totally wrong. Not that you always are btw

I do watch the games and I'm tellin you that you're wrong. I also never said that TD doesn't do some things well. At times he defends well, except that this year he's been guilty of going behind the pick far too often. He gets beat much more often this year and maybe that's some kind of health issue, but my point about him running the offense is that he's just not good. Don't let the fact that he had a few more good possessions this game cloud your vision. This was a good TD game, but he still misses so many opportunities to set up his teammates and he still stalls out the offense and holds the ball too long, takes bad shots, fails to direct his teammates to get in position. Sure Felton takes some bad shots, but his good plays exceed his bad ones. TD clearly missed wide open players in perfect scoring opportunities again tonight. He was better tho, so good for him.

nixluva wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:If you watched the substitutions first and second half were almost identical and to the minute.
Felton sat out at the time out begin the 2nd and ditto the 4th. Willaims first off the bench and gave the Knicks extra hieght. Then TD in for Chandler about 5 mintes in the 1st and 3rd. Turiaf last in ran with Douglas and Amar'e on the floor while Felton was out. 9 man rotation.

pretty much been similar for a while.

Fields always first to bench. TD plays with Felton for a while. Amare sits. Amare comes in when Felton goes to bench. Usually Gallo goes to bench before Chandler.

All depends on fouls of course.

The big thing that is STILL not happening is the offense slows when Amare sits. No one either steps up or the whole group is still not fluid or integrated enough to know exactly what to do.

Somehow Mike has to make sure they still run the offense. TD simply doesn't orchestrate well enough. They could look to post Chan or Gallo or run those two in some PnR. Gallo had a nice post against Durant and drew the foul, but they never went back to that. If that play works, they should've went back to it until the Thunder proved they could stop it.

Felton was orchestrator while Amar'e sat. When Felton sat and TD ran the point the offense looked fine. It's when d'A has in the past run so small with Felton and TD with Felton at the helm that they have looked like crap as well. Need one of Turiaf/Stat/Moz on the floor at all times. We got to much hieght not to take advantage of it. Though Rony has been injured.

DUDE! The offense did not look good when TD was running it. He's OK when he's scoring the ball, but on plays just watch what he does and what the rest of the team does when he has the ball. TD had one solid playmaking possession. The PnR to Turiaf was beautiful. He also had a TON of missed wide open plays that he destroyed. The guy just doesn't see the floor.

What I do like is when he's aggressive and attacking the defense. Also when TD shoots within the flow of the offense he's really good. He has some good defensive moments, but has had far too many bad lapses this year. I hope the Kid keeps developing, cuz he's got the raw talent to be a solid player.

Put the prejudice aside and really watch sometime. You have colored your perspective with pre-concieved notions. DUDE try watching both ends as well. Felton doesn't really show any different shot selection than Toney does. This game you are totally wrong. Not that you always are btw

I do watch the games and I'm tellin you that you're wrong. I also never said that TD doesn't do some things well. At times he defends well, except that this year he's been guilty of going behind the pick far too often. He gets beat much more often this year and maybe that's some kind of health issue, but my point about him running the offense is that he's just not good. Don't let the fact that he had a few more good possessions this game cloud your vision. This was a good TD game, but he still misses so many opportunities to set up his teammates and he still stalls out the offense and holds the ball too long, takes bad shots, fails to direct his teammates to get in position. Sure Felton takes some bad shots, but his good plays exceed his bad ones. TD clearly missed wide open players in perfect scoring opportunities again tonight. He was better tho, so good for him.

He also doesn't push the ball at all. He had a decent game tonite but he has 5 bad games to one good game. Hopefully it's because he's been injured but so far this season he has been disappointing.

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

the Thunder are a Durant injury away from the lottery if you put it like that.

The Lakers won't win a thing without Gasol.

It's okay to be dependent on a star player - most good teams are.

So isn't it ok to be dependent on 2 stars then?

If Amar'e went down, other players would take a higher portion of the shots.

Very few teams with 2 stars had to go out and import their stars in the same season. Most of them had one of those players already.

If we look at the Thunder model, their young stars came fromthe draft, as they were a new team, drafting at lottery positions.

Right now, Gallo, Chandler and Fields represent the foundation of a team. We will have dollars and picks to continue to solidify that foundation as we develop.

Believe that we have the benefit of a steady hand on the lever.

BRIGGS wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:This belief that we must gut the team in order to bring in a 2nd star player is akin to eating our young.

If Amar'e went down, other players would take a higher portion of the shots.

Very few teams with 2 stars had to go out and import their stars in the same season. Most of them had one of those players already.

If we look at the Thunder model, their young stars came fromthe draft, as they were a new team, drafting at lottery positions.

Right now, Gallo, Chandler and Fields represent the foundation of a team. We will have dollars and picks to continue to solidify that foundation as we develop.

Believe that we have the benefit of a steady hand on the lever.

Every time I see Wilson Chandler play--and what I believe we can get him for contract wise--I care less about Carmelo Anthony. Not saying Chandler is better--but cost/performance ratio is well in Chandlers favor. This team has its scorers what it needs is a C and a really nice bench upgrade--where a guy can step in play like an all star off the bench. Thats why SA is 25-3 and Dallas is 22-5.

Papabear Says

I agree! They never ate thier young. If Carmelo wants a championship he will wait till the end of the season in order to come to New York.

TD has to shoot better if he's not going to be relied on to set up his teammates, if he's bricking, and not setting up his teammates, then he needs to play lock down "d", if he is doing none of the above, then he sucks, and he's been inconsistant to the 1st degree.

We will get our 2nd star as long as were patient, we we may already have it, but if gallo and chandler (out 2 biggest trading chips) continue to get better (and there's no reason to think not)then there value to the team and the trading block increases.

BRIGGS wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:This belief that we must gut the team in order to bring in a 2nd star player is akin to eating our young.

If Amar'e went down, other players would take a higher portion of the shots.

Very few teams with 2 stars had to go out and import their stars in the same season. Most of them had one of those players already.

If we look at the Thunder model, their young stars came fromthe draft, as they were a new team, drafting at lottery positions.

Right now, Gallo, Chandler and Fields represent the foundation of a team. We will have dollars and picks to continue to solidify that foundation as we develop.

Believe that we have the benefit of a steady hand on the lever.

Every time I see Wilson Chandler play--and what I believe we can get him for contract wise--I care less about Carmelo Anthony. Not saying Chandler is better--but cost/performance ratio is well in Chandlers favor. This team has its scorers what it needs is a C and a really nice bench upgrade--where a guy can step in play like an all star off the bench. Thats why SA is 25-3 and Dallas is 22-5.

agree with you guys. these playaers have developed winning chemistry - on BOTH ends of the court. we haven't seen that in many many years. i'd even add ronny to that list, as a MAJOR spark off the bench, when he's healthy. did you see what he did to lift the chemistry on both ends last night. when he and amear started that block party it was just OUTRAGEOUS! i hope isiah was watching at home, muttering, "blocked shots are overrated . . ."