Can someone tell me how the Knicks come up with role players, bench, second PG and protection for Amare? Note that you will only have the MLE every other year.

Turiaf	 $4,360,000 
Amare	 $18,217,705 
Melo	 $18,500,000 
Fields	 $788,872 
Felton	 $7,560,000 
Moz	 $3,343,896 
Chandler $6,300,000 
Rautins  $788,872 
Williams $788,872 
----------------------------
	 $60,648,217

martin wrote:For me, Amare is panning out to be a MVP type of player.

Felton can be a low-level all star, and I think he can get better over the next year as he learns the system better and also gets more players around him. Is he any better/worse than what Tony Parker provides Spurs?

Knicks do indeed need Gallo to step up and he is ultimately what would hinge on this Plan B, but not entirely. Chandler is only 23 and can step up his game. I see Fields growing exponentially.

This ultimately would be another end sun at a Detroit Pistons like team, no doubt about it.

And I would submit that these are not your average role players I am adding to the team, but 2-way, high-level role players who fit very nicely together.

i don't see any similarities to a Detroit Pistons like team... that team was built around smothering defense... their defense was in effect their superstar franchise player... our system is built around getting as many possessions as possible to try & outscore the other team... as long as our head coach is MDA, i think we need to focus on the types of players that would give him the most weapons to utilize... IMO adding Pietrus & Nene are nice supplementary moves, but shouldn't be our main focus at this point... those are the types of moves you make AFTER you get another star player to pair up with Amare to balance out the roster... in our situation, i would focus on several other options before i settled on this as a plan B.

I likey.

MSG3 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:If no Melo, plan B for me is:

Fields, Curry, AR or first round pick, cash for Iguodala.

Azubuike, cash for Telfair

Resign Telfair for a small deal

Resign Chandler, then overpay Joel Pryzbilla for one year so we maintain flexibility. He will want to prove he is worth one more long-term deal, which he probably won't prove this season because of injury but can in this system.

C Pryzbilla, Turiaf, Mozgov
PF Stoudemire, First Round pick
SF Gallinari, Chandler, S. Williams
SG Iguodala, Douglas, Rautins
PG Felton, Telfair

Improved starting 5, and great depth. Just an idea.

I think that's too much for Iggy. 6ers are playing better now, but Fields cannot be involved in that trade. The only way I give up Fields is in a Melo trade. But yea, Iggy is a good target if we don't get Melo.

I think you target Nenee over Pryzbilla though....unless Iggy's $$ prohibit that.

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:For me, Amare is panning out to be a MVP type of player.

Felton can be a low-level all star, and I think he can get better over the next year as he learns the system better and also gets more players around him. Is he any better/worse than what Tony Parker provides Spurs?

Knicks do indeed need Gallo to step up and he is ultimately what would hinge on this Plan B, but not entirely. Chandler is only 23 and can step up his game. I see Fields growing exponentially.

This ultimately would be another end sun at a Detroit Pistons like team, no doubt about it.

And I would submit that these are not your average role players I am adding to the team, but 2-way, high-level role players who fit very nicely together.

i don't see any similarities to a Detroit Pistons like team... that team was built around smothering defense... their defense was in effect their superstar franchise player... our system is built around getting as many possessions as possible to try & outscore the other team... as long as our head coach is MDA, i think we need to focus on the types of players that would give him the most weapons to utilize... IMO adding Pietrus & Nene are nice supplementary moves, but shouldn't be our main focus at this point... those are the types of moves you make AFTER you get another star player to pair up with Amare to balance out the roster... in our situation, i would focus on several other options before i settled on this as a plan B.

I guess we'd be the bizarro Pistons.

Pistons - a team of stars but no superstars built to smother. just enough offense to make it work. (rip was $ coming off screens and moving off the ball to get clutch baskets. Billups back then was nice too)

Knicks - a team of 1 star and supporting cast built to score score score. (hopefully) just enough defense to make it work. no clue as to who our defensive rip/chauncey combo would be..

With Melo on the squad it won't be that different. We'll still be a team that basically relies on scoring to win and hope that our defense can be just good enough. Certainly won't be dominating D with or without Melo.

martin wrote:ADDENDUM TO PLAN B.

I think most of you have gotten that I am not the biggest Melo fan, and it has to do with his cost. He would be on the same and biggest pay scale as Amare and no way is he anywhere near Amare. And Melo would be eating more cap space than LeBron and Wade, both 2-way players who have proven their worth. And Melo ain't a elite all-around player IMHO, elite scorer YES.

YOU WANT SUPERSTARS?

Howard become available in 2012 because he wants either LA Lakers or Knicks? Trade Nene, Chandler, multiple #1's (Lakers have same deal starting with Gasol). Orlando does it cause they can fill 2 holes and at least comes away with players.

CP3 or Deron want out in 2012? Felton, Fields.

DW has built a team maximizing his assets and at the same time keeping his flexibility.

i tell u what, even if there were any sliver of a chance of targetting a guy like Dwight Howard in 2012, we'd have a helluva much better shot at getting him with an asset to offer like Carmelo Anthony in a trade than we would offering up guys like Nene Hilario, Gallo or Wilson Chandler

Uptown wrote:As was already mentioned by some, this plan still keeps us on the outside of the champion contending fence. With Amare in tow, we still need that second star player that can create his own shot, especially in the playoffs when the offense usually breaks down due to over-scouting, familiarity, etc. Pietrus, Nene, and Ridnour would bet great gets if its to surround Melo and Stat. Take Melo out of the equation and this guys dont offer much in terms of taking us to the next level.

Even With Melo, we would still need a big man but Nene is not the answer IMO. Nene averages about 7rbs per over his career and alittle less than a block per. Not to mention, Nene thinks he's an offensive player and will want touches. I see him and Amare getting in each others way.

We need top notch talent, plain and simple. I'm not in love with Melo either after hoping for years that LeBron would come here, but there is no question that he is a hell of a talent and puts us closer to a contending level. More importantly, it allows you to hedge your bets a bit and if Amare ever has problems again with the knee, Melo has shown he is good enough to at least keep his team competitive. I mean Melo has never missed the playoffs and if Amare went down for a large chunk of the season, I would have enough confidence that Melo, Felton, and crew could still get to the post-season. That's a contending team for you, a team that can still be competitive even if it loses one of it's best players.

I like Nene, Ridnour, and Pietrus as role players and I think they would help make our team deeper but I just don't think they make this team good enough to warrant giving up any significant assets (which I still think AR is right now as it's early) and we don't really have any 1st round picks to trade (and if we get any, they should only be used for major deals at this point).

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

Nene	 $12,000,000 
Amare	 $18,217,705 
Gallo	 $4,190,182 
Fields	 $788,872 
Felton	 $7,560,000 
Moz	 $3,343,896 
Chandler $3,099,851 
Pietrus	 $6,000,000 
Ridnour	 $3,099,851 
Williams	    
Rautins
----------------------	
	 $58,300,357

All the guys are 28 and younger (Ridnour will be 30 in Feb, Pietrus 29 in Feb). I think this team can complete against Boston, Orlando, Miami, Chicago in the regular season. To make it DEEP into the playoffs internal growth needs to happen with Fields/Chandler/Gallo/Moz, and I think those collective guys got it in them (or at least one of them does).

This is a team that can run for another 5 years without changing much. You have TONS of youth. You have TONS of defense. You have TONS of depth at every position.

What's not to like?

I'm in favor of this after thinking about it. I think adding Nene makes them an elite ELITE ELITE team.

My only comment/addition would be:

give me Carl Landry for a bench mini-Amare instead of Pietrus. for a SG, try to use Azubuike's expiring to send to Minnie for Ridnour and then use AR to get a first round pick and ship it for Rudy Fernandez. And then keep Turiaf and waive Mozgov (his deal isn't guaranteed next year, he's dead weight, end it.)

Starters:
Nene
Amare
Gallo
Fields
Felton

Bench:
Turiaf
Carl Landry
Chandler
Rudy Fernandez
Ridnour

That is a fantastic fantastic team. And I think all the parts are attainable.

Parts may be attainable but you might have a hard time fitting all those guys under the cap.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:btw I thought this thread was about Plan B if we DON'T get Melo. So uhhh..no need to post about how we need Melo, right?

i think the point i was trying to make is that if we miss out on Melo, our plan B should be focused on targetting better talent than role players like the ones martin is proposing on this thread... not to say that Nene & Pietrus aren't nice players, but those types of players are fillins AFTER you put together your core