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We should be willing to trade Chandler and Gallo for Anthony.
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Vmart
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12/23/2010  10:57 AM
You should never judge a player by youtube clips.
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Marv
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12/23/2010  11:01 AM
iSergio wrote:Anyone can look good on youtube.

true. But NO ONE looks as good as jerome.

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12/23/2010  11:11 AM
Marv wrote:
iSergio wrote:Anyone can look good on youtube.

true. But NO ONE looks as good as jerome.

easy marv, we don't need any stories from the late-night encounters the two of you shared

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12/23/2010  11:13 AM
orangeblobman wrote:You're buggin'. Gallo is much more than a good third scorer. Guy is lethal, he's special, you don't trade special players like Gallo. Period.

Insanity. Insanity.

He's advetually going to had get that mid range game together, or the post up, thats when he will be a monster on another team

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12/23/2010  11:18 AM
I think we are giving Melo way to much credit here. We need to keep in mind that a lot changes in this league. Brandon Roy was considered untouchable now he is untradeable. Beasley was garbage no one wanted this offseason and the number 2 pick in the draft was moved for 2nd round picks. Al Jefferson was a salary dump.

And Melo is not a top 10 player in this league

Bigs - Dirk, Howard, Amare, Gasol (Would take Blake Griffin over him)
SF - Lebron, Durant
SG - Kobe, Wade (Manu)
PG - Paul, Williams (Rose and Westbrook and Rondo are in the conversation)

Wilson Chandler (17.3pts 6.2rbs 1.6blks 48%)
Carmelo (24.8pts 8.3rbs 3.3ass 44%)

The only thing Wilson really needs to improve on right now to be a 20pt scorer is getting to the line. Do we really want to pay someone like melo 12MM more?

Do you want to give up Gallo yet?

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12/23/2010  11:56 AM
TO the OP I think you're wrong on Wilson. He's one of those pieces, a third option, that plays D, scores without being featured or having many (if any) plays diagrammed for him, gets to the glass, hustles...he's the real deal and really the third significant piece in the current resurgence/success of the Knicks. Wilson's numbers have improved each season, even in a season where he wasn't considered important (at least during the pre-season or in any trades to acquire another superstar). I hate to say it, but Zeke was right about Lee and Chandler.
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12/23/2010  11:59 AM
Having said the previous, I'd think the Nuggets would be highly interested in Chandler, but it seems that aren't. Right now it's hard to see Favors being better than Chandler. I'm not saying he won't be, but right now Wilson could be an important piece in Denver rebuilding, moreso than random picks and the currently underwhelming Favors.
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12/23/2010  12:03 PM
grillco wrote:TO the OP I think you're wrong on Wilson. He's one of those pieces, a third option, that plays D, scores without being featured or having many (if any) plays diagrammed for him, gets to the glass, hustles...he's the real deal and really the third significant piece in the current resurgence/success of the Knicks. Wilson's numbers have improved each season, even in a season where he wasn't considered important (at least during the pre-season or in any trades to acquire another superstar). I hate to say it, but Zeke was right about Lee and Chandler.

i give the mayor a ton of credit. he had some major faults to have to correct - his lack of aggression, his lack of consistency and that handful of totally boneheaded plays that he would insert into any appearance. he's eliminated those flaws now and is capitalizing on every bit of his potential. how many studs come into this league and never come close to doing that?

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12/23/2010  3:08 PM
MS wrote:I think we are giving Melo way to much credit here. We need to keep in mind that a lot changes in this league. Brandon Roy was considered untouchable now he is untradeable. Beasley was garbage no one wanted this offseason and the number 2 pick in the draft was moved for 2nd round picks. Al Jefferson was a salary dump.

And Melo is not a top 10 player in this league

Bigs - Dirk, Howard, Amare, Gasol (Would take Blake Griffin over him)
SF - Lebron, Durant
SG - Kobe, Wade (Manu)
PG - Paul, Williams (Rose and Westbrook and Rondo are in the conversation)

Wilson Chandler (17.3pts 6.2rbs 1.6blks 48%)
Carmelo (24.8pts 8.3rbs 3.3ass 44%)

The only thing Wilson really needs to improve on right now to be a 20pt scorer is getting to the line. Do we really want to pay someone like melo 12MM more?

Do you want to give up Gallo yet?

the same arguments were made to reason against signed Amare to the max & extending D Lee to a lesser contract over the summer... there's a reason why star players are paid like star players & guys like D Lee & Wilson Chandler aren't.

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12/23/2010  3:12 PM
TMS wrote:
MS wrote:I think we are giving Melo way to much credit here. We need to keep in mind that a lot changes in this league. Brandon Roy was considered untouchable now he is untradeable. Beasley was garbage no one wanted this offseason and the number 2 pick in the draft was moved for 2nd round picks. Al Jefferson was a salary dump.

And Melo is not a top 10 player in this league

Bigs - Dirk, Howard, Amare, Gasol (Would take Blake Griffin over him)
SF - Lebron, Durant
SG - Kobe, Wade (Manu)
PG - Paul, Williams (Rose and Westbrook and Rondo are in the conversation)

Wilson Chandler (17.3pts 6.2rbs 1.6blks 48%)
Carmelo (24.8pts 8.3rbs 3.3ass 44%)

The only thing Wilson really needs to improve on right now to be a 20pt scorer is getting to the line. Do we really want to pay someone like melo 12MM more?

Do you want to give up Gallo yet?

the same arguments were made to reason against signed Amare to the max & extending D Lee to a lesser contract over the summer... there's a reason why star players are paid like star players & guys like D Lee & Wilson Chandler aren't.

how many times have "star" players been given huge conracts in this league and then the team regrets the hell out of it and is stuck with the guy, much preferring to get rid of him if they could.

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12/23/2010  3:49 PM
Marv wrote:
TMS wrote:
MS wrote:I think we are giving Melo way to much credit here. We need to keep in mind that a lot changes in this league. Brandon Roy was considered untouchable now he is untradeable. Beasley was garbage no one wanted this offseason and the number 2 pick in the draft was moved for 2nd round picks. Al Jefferson was a salary dump.

And Melo is not a top 10 player in this league

Bigs - Dirk, Howard, Amare, Gasol (Would take Blake Griffin over him)
SF - Lebron, Durant
SG - Kobe, Wade (Manu)
PG - Paul, Williams (Rose and Westbrook and Rondo are in the conversation)

Wilson Chandler (17.3pts 6.2rbs 1.6blks 48%)
Carmelo (24.8pts 8.3rbs 3.3ass 44%)

The only thing Wilson really needs to improve on right now to be a 20pt scorer is getting to the line. Do we really want to pay someone like melo 12MM more?

Do you want to give up Gallo yet?

the same arguments were made to reason against signed Amare to the max & extending D Lee to a lesser contract over the summer... there's a reason why star players are paid like star players & guys like D Lee & Wilson Chandler aren't.

how many times have "star" players been given huge conracts in this league and then the team regrets the hell out of it and is stuck with the guy, much preferring to get rid of him if they could.

do u think the Nuggets ever regretted giving Melo his last contract after he took them to 7 consecutive playoff appearances & 1 WCF? i don't... the Knicks don't seem to regret giving Amare his max contract either & we haven't even seen the final results... sure, teams have regretted giving out huge contracts to wannabe stars like Zach Randolph & Rashard Lewis... Carmelo Anthony is a bonafide superstar... those are the types of players that those teams WISH they had spent those dollars on.

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12/23/2010  8:18 PM
Will is averaging like 20 a game and now had a smooth stroke outside. Gallo has taken some serious steps this year. I was probably his biggest critic last year but he has elevated his game to a different level. I would possibly give up one of them because I figure it's gonna be hard to re-sign everyone anyway. Melo should just stick it out in denver and sign with us anyway.
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12/23/2010  11:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/23/2010  11:02 PM
tj23 wrote:Will is averaging like 20 a game and now had a smooth stroke outside. Gallo has taken some serious steps this year. I was probably his biggest critic last year but he has elevated his game to a different level. I would possibly give up one of them because I figure it's gonna be hard to re-sign everyone anyway. Melo should just stick it out in denver and sign with us anyway.

I can hardly wait until Melo is finally a done deal, one way or another. Does he come here in a S&T and we lose our shirts? Or sign as a FA, allowing us to keep our core and we're a legit threat. Or do we lose him completely and focus on retaining and improving the current squad.

For me, I wonder what Amare will have left in the tank once/if Gallo and Chandler fully mature. Or by not trading, are we conceding to 1st round beatings and essentially wasting his prime?

Having these young guys, gives us hope for the future... But having Amare makes me want a big playoff push, right now!

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12/24/2010  12:01 AM
grillco wrote:Having said the previous, I'd think the Nuggets would be highly interested in Chandler, but it seems that aren't.

Probably because Chandler's due for a salary increase when Denver is looking to unload.

Also, because we don't have enough draft picks to embellish the deal.

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12/24/2010  12:18 AM
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grillco wrote:Having said the previous, I'd think the Nuggets would be highly interested in Chandler, but it seems that aren't.

Probably because Chandler's due for a salary increase when Denver is looking to unload.

Also, because we don't have enough draft picks to embellish the deal.

embellish? cereasly come on?! do you have word a week toilet paper?

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12/24/2010  12:43 AM
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it is easy to forget that he is coming back from an injury and might need to get some time on the court. I hope in general the team is patient with Randolph and Buike. Today on the Fan they were talking about the Knicks waiving Buike so they could sign a back up point.


Not one highlight in this clip showing AR hitting the 3 ball.....NUFF CED!!!

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12/24/2010  1:25 AM
Juice wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it is easy to forget that he is coming back from an injury and might need to get some time on the court. I hope in general the team is patient with Randolph and Buike. Today on the Fan they were talking about the Knicks waiving Buike so they could sign a back up point.


Not one highlight in this clip showing AR hitting the 3 ball.....NUFF CED!!!

sad that if you want to see ar play, you have to go to youtube. :/

not playing ar is bringing my trust in mda to the current trade value of ar.

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12/24/2010  3:41 AM
AR should get his chance eventually. Still with a guy like Mike, who has coached not only an MVP like Nash, an All Star PF like Amar'e, and also the Superstars on the Olympic team, knows what he's looking for in his players. AR has to learn and step up and if he does he'll be a star in this league. If Mike can get a guy like Diaw to excel far beyond what anyone thought he could do, what makes you think he's not trying to do the same thing with AR?

The thing is that he can't magically make AR a better player. Some of you mistakenly think that it's easy to fit into a rotation that is playing at a high level and it's not. So the only way that AR is gonna play is if he really improves on the things Mike is looking for in practice and so he can trust that he'll do them in a game. That's how you do things when you have a winning team. Unless AR starts looking a lot more like a young Camby in practice, he's not gonna see the floor during real games!!!

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12/24/2010  10:25 AM
nixluva wrote:Unless AR starts looking a lot more like a young Camby in practice, he's not gonna see the floor during real games!!!

MDA has done nothing but encourage Gallo to play with more diversity & not be so pigeon holed into being only a 3 pt. specialist ever since he came into the league, even so far as giving Gallo a video of Larry Bird for him to study so he can diversify his game, but with AR he's put so many restrictions on the way he'd like AR to play that he is very intolerant of any mistake he might make even in sporadic play... MDA wants AR to be a shotblock/rebounding specialist but AR wants to be more than that... i realize the trust factor plays a huge role in why AR isn't being given a more expanded role, but how do u expect AR to earn this man's trust if he puts so such a limited scope of expectation on this kid & then only plays him in garbage minutes of blowout wins? i agree that AR needs to show MDA that he deserves playing time by working hard in practice, but IMO MDA also needs to be a bit more flexible in terms of expectations & be more patient when it comes to certain young players that are still developing their games instead of shutting them out & relegating them to the end of the bench... this coach has a very short leash when it comes to certain players but has been very patient when it comes to others even through their struggles... i'd like to see more consistency & less selectiveness when it comes to this... if you're going to allow 1 guy to work through his problems on the court, you should be willing to do the same for everyone else... failing to do so breeds resentment & bitterness within that lockerroom, & that's been a big problem w/this head coach ever since he's been here.

now go ahead & scream & yell at me for daring to criticize this man if you must, but this is how i feel on this matter, & i think it's a completely fair position to take.

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12/24/2010  10:31 AM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Unless AR starts looking a lot more like a young Camby in practice, he's not gonna see the floor during real games!!!

MDA has done nothing but encourage Gallo to play with more diversity & not be so pigeon holed into being only a 3 pt. specialist ever since he came into the league, even so far as giving Gallo a video of Larry Bird for him to study so he can diversify his game, but with AR he's put so many restrictions on the way he'd like AR to play that he is very intolerant of any mistake he might make even in sporadic play... MDA wants AR to be a shotblock/rebounding specialist but AR wants to be more than that... i realize the trust factor plays a huge role in why AR isn't being given a more expanded role, but how do u expect AR to earn this man's trust if he puts so such a limited scope of expectation on this kid & then only plays him in garbage minutes of blowout wins? i agree that AR needs to show MDA that he deserves playing time by working hard in practice, but IMO MDA also needs to be a bit more flexible in terms of expectations & be more patient when it comes to certain young players that are still developing their games instead of shutting them out & relegating them to the end of the bench... this coach has a very short leash when it comes to certain players but has been very patient when it comes to others even through their struggles... i'd like to see more consistency & less selectiveness when it comes to this... if you're going to allow 1 guy to work through his problems on the court, you should be willing to do the same for everyone else... failing to do so breeds resentment & bitterness within that lockerroom, & that's been a big problem w/this head coach ever since he's been here.
now go ahead & scream & yell at me for daring to criticize this man if you must, but this is how i feel on this matter, & i think it's a completely fair position to take.


I think this is an excellent post and very well said.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
We should be willing to trade Chandler and Gallo for Anthony.

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