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loweyecue
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12/21/2010  6:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/21/2010  6:36 PM
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loweyecue wrote:Yeah they just noted the other day that Boobie is sixth all time on the NBA 3 pts made list, ahead of Glen Rice!

i like boobies as much as the next guy, but we need a backup PG, not another shooter... Sessions is the guy i'd target over Boobie.

On a more serious need I agree that Sessions probably fills our needs more. But I am NOT gone pass on Boobies!! NO WAY!

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12/21/2010  6:36 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Yeah they just noted the other day that Boobie is sixth all time on the NBA 3 pts made list, ahead of Glen Rice!

i like boobies as much as the next guy, but we need a backup PG, not another shooter... Sessions is the guy i'd target over Boobie.

See I think your wrong, cause aside from the PnR, MDA relies on TD for points and to help spread the floor..Gibson is decent enough to run the point for few minutes, but imagine having Gallo, Gibson, and willimas around your perimeter, with amare and AV scoring down low and rebounding.

if we were looking for a replacement for Toney Douglas i would agree w/u we should be looking at Gibson... but what we're looking for now is a guy who can orchestrate the offense because TD is incapable of doing so... i have seen nothing out of Boobie Gibson that shows me he's an effective orchestrator of an offense... he's pretty much a younger version of Eddie House.

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12/21/2010  6:38 PM
loweyecue wrote:
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Yeah they just noted the other day that Boobie is sixth all time on the NBA 3 pts made list, ahead of Glen Rice!

i like boobies as much as the next guy, but we need a backup PG, not another shooter... Sessions is the guy i'd target over Boobie.

Then this should transport you to Heaven. http://photography-posters-uk.blogspot.com/2009/11/blue-footed-boobies-ecuador.html

those are the nicest boobies i've seen in a long time.

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12/21/2010  6:38 PM
TMS wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Yeah they just noted the other day that Boobie is sixth all time on the NBA 3 pts made list, ahead of Glen Rice!

i like boobies as much as the next guy, but we need a backup PG, not another shooter... Sessions is the guy i'd target over Boobie.

See I think your wrong, cause aside from the PnR, MDA relies on TD for points and to help spread the floor..Gibson is decent enough to run the point for few minutes, but imagine having Gallo, Gibson, and willimas around your perimeter, with amare and AV scoring down low and rebounding.

if we were looking for a replacement for Toney Douglas i would agree w/u we should be looking at Gibson... but what we're looking for now is a guy who can orchestrate the offense because TD is incapable of doing so... i have seen nothing out of Boobie Gibson that shows me he's an effective orchestrator of an offense... he's pretty much a younger version of Eddie House.

So we are looking to replace a boob(TD) with a Boobie
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12/21/2010  6:39 PM
I dont see Clev trading verajo--why? They have him at a decent price. Igudola is a good player. If we add 3 very good players one G one C and one back up PG without removing any existing starting player--well be right there.
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12/21/2010  6:43 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I dont see Clev trading verajo--why? They have him at a decent price. Igudola is a good player. If we add 3 very good players one G one C and one back up PG without removing any existing starting player--well be right there.

cavs dont have antawn jamison at a decent price.
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12/21/2010  7:20 PM
If we don't get Melo i don't expect any true star players to be available for awhile, so we will have to target secondary stars who can become stars in this system. Obviously candidates that come to mind are Iggy, Ellis, and Kevin Martin. All these players have strengths that would allow them to excel here, but also weaknesses that would make many of us not want them at all. Iggy is the one that comes to mind most because although he can't shoot and has a large contract, he's a good scorer and great defender, so he would fill a need that even Melo can't really fill. Some of you may not consider him an upgrade over Fields or Chandler or whoever, but he is. He should be a star here. I would love to get Varejao, although i am looking for players like that after we acquire another star player first, because a role player doesn't put us where we want to be just yet.
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12/21/2010  7:30 PM
STARS!!!! MORE AND MORE STARS.......MUST HAVE STARS.....IF NO STARS MUST TALKA ABOUT STARS.......

THE SUN WILL COME OUT TOMORROW.........
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12/21/2010  7:50 PM
Nalod wrote:STARS!!!! MORE AND MORE STARS.......MUST HAVE STARS.....IF NO STARS MUST TALKA ABOUT STARS.......

THE SUN WILL COME OUT TOMORROW.........

Seriously. Making a deal with Cleveland or Philly would give the Knicks players who can help even out the roster, a more balanced attack. Something that would probably be less possible with Melo considering what they would have to give up for him this season.

Melo might turn out to be the deal to make but plan B has its own unique advantages.
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12/21/2010  7:53 PM
Nalod wrote:Varejao is like their best player and fan favorite.

Iggy is Dump for sixers. They will try otherwise and they should.

Curry and Wilson and a habitual 2nd round pick.

Not good enough, fine. Let them pay and keep sucking.

When we are done we will be the "anti Starphuck!" Patience will rule!

No way I'd move Chandler, Curry and a pick for Iggy.

They want Chandler, we'd have to get the pick(s)... Wilson is already better then this turd. IMO, Iggy is overrated in terms of defense and isn't anywhere near the shooter or rebounder Will is.

And he makes stud money, Philly can keep him.

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12/21/2010  8:03 PM
Knixkik wrote:If we don't get Melo i don't expect any true star players to be available for awhile, so we will have to target secondary stars who can become stars in this system. Obviously candidates that come to mind are Iggy, Ellis, and Kevin Martin. All these players have strengths that would allow them to excel here, but also weaknesses that would make many of us not want them at all. Iggy is the one that comes to mind most because although he can't shoot and has a large contract, he's a good scorer and great defender, so he would fill a need that even Melo can't really fill. Some of you may not consider him an upgrade over Fields or Chandler or whoever, but he is. He should be a star here. I would love to get Varejao, although i am looking for players like that after we acquire another star player first, because a role player doesn't put us where we want to be just yet.

All you have to do is look at a team that just below avg or worse, find there best player, work a deal..

At some point teams will be willing to move players if they think it will help them either make the playoffs, make them a title contender, save them some doe, or help there team for the future, either way you can find a star player for a good price.

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12/21/2010  8:05 PM
Both of those would be a lot better than getting Carmelo
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12/21/2010  8:09 PM
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Nalod wrote:Varejao is like their best player and fan favorite.

Iggy is Dump for sixers. They will try otherwise and they should.

Curry and Wilson and a habitual 2nd round pick.

Not good enough, fine. Let them pay and keep sucking.

When we are done we will be the "anti Starphuck!" Patience will rule!

No way I'd move Chandler, Curry and a pick for Iggy.

They want Chandler, we'd have to get the pick(s)... Wilson is already better then this turd. IMO, Iggy is overrated in terms of defense and isn't anywhere near the shooter or rebounder Will is.

And he makes stud money, Philly can keep him.

Don't fool yourself, i like Chandler, but Iggy is a lot better.
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12/21/2010  8:11 PM
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BigDaddyG wrote:Bucher said in his chat last week that Portland offered Batum and Pryz for Iggy and the 76ers didn't take it. If Philly turned that down, I'm not sure that Curry's expiring and TD, or whatever, is enough to get a deal done. I wouldn't mind Gibson and Varejo. Substitute Ramon Sessions for Gibson and I'd have even fewer complaints.

seriously? gibson shoots 42% from downtown and has been one of the most efficient 3 point shooters in the league.

sessions is 0 for 1 on 3s this year. there's absolutely 0 chance walsh would take sessions over gibson. d'antoni wouldn't play him! MDA wants shooters!

Wouldn't mind either on, I just like Session because he's a legitimate point guard and Gibson is more of a combo guard.

DW was scouting Sessions heavily over the past summer... he's obviously interested in him

We were looking at him a few years ago- why didn't we want him then, after he had put up some good numbers in Milwaukee?

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12/21/2010  8:22 PM
Knixkik wrote:
gr33d wrote:
Nalod wrote:Varejao is like their best player and fan favorite.

Iggy is Dump for sixers. They will try otherwise and they should.

Curry and Wilson and a habitual 2nd round pick.

Not good enough, fine. Let them pay and keep sucking.

When we are done we will be the "anti Starphuck!" Patience will rule!

No way I'd move Chandler, Curry and a pick for Iggy.

They want Chandler, we'd have to get the pick(s)... Wilson is already better then this turd. IMO, Iggy is overrated in terms of defense and isn't anywhere near the shooter or rebounder Will is.

And he makes stud money, Philly can keep him.

Don't fool yourself, i like Chandler, but Iggy is a lot better.

At basketball?

LOL, perhaps my opinion is slightly bias. ;)

Wilson plays less minutes and does more, simple as that. More points, rebounds , blocks ,etc. All while shooting higher percentages from 2 and 3... Will is younger and doesnt make 12-13 mil per.

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12/21/2010  8:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/21/2010  8:34 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
TMS wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Bucher said in his chat last week that Portland offered Batum and Pryz for Iggy and the 76ers didn't take it. If Philly turned that down, I'm not sure that Curry's expiring and TD, or whatever, is enough to get a deal done. I wouldn't mind Gibson and Varejo. Substitute Ramon Sessions for Gibson and I'd have even fewer complaints.

seriously? gibson shoots 42% from downtown and has been one of the most efficient 3 point shooters in the league.

sessions is 0 for 1 on 3s this year. there's absolutely 0 chance walsh would take sessions over gibson. d'antoni wouldn't play him! MDA wants shooters!

Wouldn't mind either on, I just like Session because he's a legitimate point guard and Gibson is more of a combo guard.

DW was scouting Sessions heavily over the past summer... he's obviously interested in him

We were looking at him a few years ago- why didn't we want him then, after he had put up some good numbers in Milwaukee?

Didn't Donnie want to preserve the cap space? Session wanted more than one or two years and we were trying to preserve space for this past summer's free agent haul..

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12/21/2010  8:35 PM
I'm a huge chandler fan, but Iggy is better. Dantoni could surely improve his shot some as he does with just about everyone.
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12/21/2010  8:53 PM
gr33d wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
gr33d wrote:
Nalod wrote:Varejao is like their best player and fan favorite.

Iggy is Dump for sixers. They will try otherwise and they should.

Curry and Wilson and a habitual 2nd round pick.

Not good enough, fine. Let them pay and keep sucking.

When we are done we will be the "anti Starphuck!" Patience will rule!

No way I'd move Chandler, Curry and a pick for Iggy.

They want Chandler, we'd have to get the pick(s)... Wilson is already better then this turd. IMO, Iggy is overrated in terms of defense and isn't anywhere near the shooter or rebounder Will is.

And he makes stud money, Philly can keep him.

Don't fool yourself, i like Chandler, but Iggy is a lot better.

At basketball?

LOL, perhaps my opinion is slightly bias. ;)

Wilson plays less minutes and does more, simple as that. More points, rebounds , blocks ,etc. All while shooting higher percentages from 2 and 3... Will is younger and doesnt make 12-13 mil per.


If you go by stats that is crazy. Stats vary, anyone can tell you not to follow them. Iggy does way more, and if you want to look at stats then compare their career stats. Iggy is like a poor man's lebron, very poor man's but very complete like him. He can run an offense for short periods of time and can shut down top wing players. You need a wing defender like him to compete in the playoffs. He has never had players around him in Philly that fit with his game, in New York he would be a star.
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12/21/2010  8:56 PM
boo...dislike...iggy good for our system?

dude can't shoot, and WAYYYY to overpaid!

verajao might be really useful, if we also had melo...

stat, verajao, melo, ???, felton...

maybe getting another top pg soon afterward...

that i could roll wit...

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12/21/2010  9:00 PM
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Yeah they just noted the other day that Boobie is sixth all time on the NBA 3 pts made list, ahead of Glen Rice!

i like boobies as much as the next guy, but we need a backup PG, not another shooter... Sessions is the guy i'd target over Boobie.

sessions can't shoot and is too costly, imho.

i'd rather have telfair who's deal ends.

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