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scoshin
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12/22/2010  10:01 AM
I'll take Varejao. I had doubts that D'Antoni would even play him since he has no J, but my gut tells me that if we do get AV, he has enough rep in the league that D'Antoni will play him like he did Jeffries, as an anchor to our defense despite the offensive liabilities.
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12/22/2010  10:01 AM
iSergio wrote:The rumor also has Daniel "Booby" Gibson - who would be a very good backup PG. I'd take Gibson and Anderson Verajao over Andre Iguodala.

Sign me up... Anderson and Stat frontcourt, would be a very nice tandom.

The question is: what do we give up? Personally, I'd move Gallo before IllWill (if it came to that).

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12/22/2010  10:02 AM
I think Varejao is the perfect type of player for this team. We should target the heck out of this guy. I would be surprised if the Cavs gave him up though - he's a young-ish and cheap-ish and productive center. I don't see the incentive.
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12/22/2010  10:04 AM
I think the only way the Cavs do this is if we take Jamison. Jamison could be a solid weapon off the bench for us. I'd do that trade.

It also leaves tons of cap space open for the team in 2012. I like it.

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12/22/2010  10:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2010  10:10 AM
You don't need to move Gallo or The Mayor for Varejao. Azubuike, AR and Mason Jr for Varejao would do the trick. They get cap relief in Azubuike and Mason Jr and get the potential of AR. AR would do well in Cleveland with Byron Scott. They need a player with a lot of talent in that team that is young. AR fits the bill.

Varejao/Amare/Gallo/Fields/Felton with bench of Chandler, TD, SHawne Williams and Timo/Turiaf would be pretty good. Replace TD with an actual functioning backup PG and we got ourselves a team that can be 4th seed in the East.
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12/22/2010  10:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2010  10:58 AM
NYKBocker wrote:You don't need to move Gallo or The Mayor for Varejao. Azubuike, AR and Mason Jr for Varejao would do the trick. They get cap relief in Azubuike and Mason Jr and get the potential of AR. AR would do well in Cleveland with Byron Scott. They need a player with a lot of talent in that team that is young. AR fits the bill.

Varejao/Amare/Gallo/Fields/Felton with bench of Chandler, TD, SHawne Williams and Timo/Turiaf would be pretty good. Replace TD with an actual functioning backup PG and we got ourselves a team that can be 4th seed in the East.

Thats 2 much, throw in a 2nd rounder, and take back AR, or give up boobie

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12/22/2010  11:01 AM
NYKBocker wrote:You don't need to move Gallo or The Mayor for Varejao. Azubuike, AR and Mason Jr for Varejao would do the trick. They get cap relief in Azubuike and Mason Jr and get the potential of AR. AR would do well in Cleveland with Byron Scott. They need a player with a lot of talent in that team that is young. AR fits the bill.

Varejao/Amare/Gallo/Fields/Felton with bench of Chandler, TD, SHawne Williams and Timo/Turiaf would be pretty good. Replace TD with an actual functioning backup PG and we got ourselves a team that can be 4th seed in the East.

is CLE so down on Varejao that they want to move him for cap space? I don't see that. Jamison, yes.

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12/22/2010  11:12 AM
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:You don't need to move Gallo or The Mayor for Varejao. Azubuike, AR and Mason Jr for Varejao would do the trick. They get cap relief in Azubuike and Mason Jr and get the potential of AR. AR would do well in Cleveland with Byron Scott. They need a player with a lot of talent in that team that is young. AR fits the bill.

Varejao/Amare/Gallo/Fields/Felton with bench of Chandler, TD, SHawne Williams and Timo/Turiaf would be pretty good. Replace TD with an actual functioning backup PG and we got ourselves a team that can be 4th seed in the East.

is CLE so down on Varejao that they want to move him for cap space? I don't see that. Jamison, yes.

Yeah, I don't think Cleveland is just looking to dump AV for cap space. His contract is not that bad (only makes slightly more than Travis Outlaw for example), and he's a fan favorite. If they do move him, they're going to want a 1st or a young player that's shown more than just AR.
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12/22/2010  11:21 AM
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Q. martin - is CLE so down on Varejao that they want to move him for cap space?

A. Cleveland is in rebuild mode. Compared with the major surgery and agonizing aftermath of losing Lebron, the mosquito bite of losing Varejao is minor.

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12/22/2010  12:33 PM
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:You don't need to move Gallo or The Mayor for Varejao. Azubuike, AR and Mason Jr for Varejao would do the trick. They get cap relief in Azubuike and Mason Jr and get the potential of AR. AR would do well in Cleveland with Byron Scott. They need a player with a lot of talent in that team that is young. AR fits the bill.

Varejao/Amare/Gallo/Fields/Felton with bench of Chandler, TD, SHawne Williams and Timo/Turiaf would be pretty good. Replace TD with an actual functioning backup PG and we got ourselves a team that can be 4th seed in the East.

is CLE so down on Varejao that they want to move him for cap space? I don't see that. Jamison, yes.

i don't see it either... they'd want at least 1 of our top 3 young guys for him... Centers that can actually play hold pretty high value in the NBA.

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TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:You don't need to move Gallo or The Mayor for Varejao. Azubuike, AR and Mason Jr for Varejao would do the trick. They get cap relief in Azubuike and Mason Jr and get the potential of AR. AR would do well in Cleveland with Byron Scott. They need a player with a lot of talent in that team that is young. AR fits the bill.

Varejao/Amare/Gallo/Fields/Felton with bench of Chandler, TD, SHawne Williams and Timo/Turiaf would be pretty good. Replace TD with an actual functioning backup PG and we got ourselves a team that can be 4th seed in the East.

is CLE so down on Varejao that they want to move him for cap space? I don't see that. Jamison, yes.

i don't see it either... they'd want at least 1 of our top 3 young guys for him... Centers that can actually play hold pretty high value in the NBA.

I think the only way they do it is if they get a decent young piece and we take Jamison off their hands/cap.

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12/22/2010  1:26 PM
I just don't think a full time Center is a fit for this team. I wouldn't invest nearly this much in a pivot that would demand big minutes.
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12/22/2010  1:32 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I just don't think a full time Center is a fit for this team. I wouldn't invest nearly this much in a pivot that would demand big minutes.

it's the right fit that is necessary. Robin Lopez did wonders for the Suns last year when healthy.

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12/22/2010  1:41 PM
i think it's obvious that a guy like varejao would make amare's life so much easier since amare would not be forced to guard opposing big man, as well as the fact that varejao is a rebounding machine and that would take a big load off of amare's shoulders in that respect. offensively the guy doesn't need touches and he gets alot of scrappy baskets. i'm all for trading for him if the cavs were really looking to deal him. hell id take jamison's contract off their hands and let him be our 6th man and instant offense off the bench.

curry/buke/turiaf/ar for andy/jamison

clears a ton of cap space for the cavs who are in rebuild mode and gives them a young player (who i still think is going to be very good he just needs alot of minutes) in AR who they can play big mins and see if he develops.

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12/22/2010  2:14 PM
martin wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:I just don't think a full time Center is a fit for this team. I wouldn't invest nearly this much in a pivot that would demand big minutes.

it's the right fit that is necessary. Robin Lopez did wonders for the Suns last year when healthy.

exactly. amar'e and varejao both high energy guys as well. that fusion of energy will be electric for players and fans. if you cant get that second/third star. get players you know will make life easier for the star you have.
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12/22/2010  2:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2010  2:49 PM
cheers wrote:
martin wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:I just don't think a full time Center is a fit for this team. I wouldn't invest nearly this much in a pivot that would demand big minutes.

it's the right fit that is necessary. Robin Lopez did wonders for the Suns last year when healthy.

exactly. amar'e and varejao both high energy guys as well. that fusion of energy will be electric for players and fans. if you cant get that second/third star. get players you know will make life easier for the star you have.

I'm in! It would be an adequate replacement/complement to Turiaf. And it takes a lot off Amar'es plate, letting him do what he does best. Get AV today!

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12/22/2010  4:21 PM
Bouncy

Varejao is a prefect fit for the Knicks and a perfect fit for New York

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Amare can get some rest as Varejao, Gallo and Shawne Williams hold it down on the offensive end

Defensively, with Anderson at center, Turiaf can slide to forward, with The Mayor at the three and the matchups are instantly less intimidating.

Make it so Donnie.

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12/22/2010  5:05 PM
How about Diaw and Tyrus Thomas for ECity and Randolph? Takes a ton of salary off the books next year for Charlotte and gives us all of the frontcourt, MikeD certified, depth we need to make a real run this year.

This would take us out of the Melo sweepstakes, but I do believe in this offense, the frontcourt and point guard are critical, while the wings can be anyone with size and shooting touch. Paying big money for Melo would be odd when we can get nearly that production out of the Wilson Chandler's of the world who do not demand that kind of salary.

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12/22/2010  5:12 PM
not sure if Ty Thomas is a player that would mesh well w/this head coach... he seems to have some maturity issues that might require more patience than MDA is willing to put up with.

& you really think we can nearly get Melo's production out of Wilson Chandler? he's averaging a career high 17 & 6 this year, which don't even begin to come close to Melo's 24 & 8... come on dude... if u don't wanna invest so much on Melo, that's fine, but let's not justify it by making outlandish statements like that.

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12/22/2010  5:21 PM
How much does Melo score on this team? I'm just making the point that wings with average talent go crazy in 7SOL offenses. So we should be able to use those spots to get max production/$ value.

The 4/5 spots and the PG are critical in this offense. The 2/3 could be just about anyone with decent ability.

If Melo is the 4 here then listen, he'd better score 24 a game because that front court will give up a ton of points. I don't really think that's a winning combination.

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