cheers wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

cheers wrote:

martin wrote:

those sneakers look like made in china knockoffs. but i guess you would just call 'em sneakers in china.

Keep talkin smack and you'll start offending people.

my bad. im sure one thing he misses is the cool new sneakers nba players get every game to ball in. though maybe the ability to play with a ice-pack on court balances it out. lol.

He should put ice pack on his face.
His eyes still need work to look chinese.

arkrud wrote:

cheers wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

cheers wrote:

martin wrote:

those sneakers look like made in china knockoffs. but i guess you would just call 'em sneakers in china.

Keep talkin smack and you'll start offending people.

my bad. im sure one thing he misses is the cool new sneakers nba players get every game to ball in. though maybe the ability to play with a ice-pack on court balances it out. lol.

He should put ice pack on his face.
His eyes still need work to look chinese.

i knew it was only a matter of time for someone to make an idiotic comment on this thread... congrats to arkrud for proving me right.

TMS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

cheers wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

cheers wrote:

martin wrote:

those sneakers look like made in china knockoffs. but i guess you would just call 'em sneakers in china.

Keep talkin smack and you'll start offending people.

my bad. im sure one thing he misses is the cool new sneakers nba players get every game to ball in. though maybe the ability to play with a ice-pack on court balances it out. lol.

He should put ice pack on his face.
His eyes still need work to look chinese.

i knew it was only a matter of time for someone to make an idiotic comment on this thread... congrats to arkrud for proving me right.

Idiotic threads requared idiotic comments.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Francis looks depressed and drugged out.

so, pretty much the same as when he was with NY?

arkrud wrote:

TMS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

cheers wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

cheers wrote:

martin wrote:

those sneakers look like made in china knockoffs. but i guess you would just call 'em sneakers in china.

Keep talkin smack and you'll start offending people.

my bad. im sure one thing he misses is the cool new sneakers nba players get every game to ball in. though maybe the ability to play with a ice-pack on court balances it out. lol.

He should put ice pack on his face.
His eyes still need work to look chinese.

i knew it was only a matter of time for someone to make an idiotic comment on this thread... congrats to arkrud for proving me right.

Idiotic threads requared idiotic comments.

the only idiot here is you for making that comment.

BigDaddyG wrote:

cheers wrote:

martin wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Francis looks depressed and drugged out.

so, pretty much the same as when he was with NY?

he had his happy moments.. not that there is anything wrong with that.

LMFAO If the could only get Marbs to share in that happiness, we could have had the happiest three-guard attacks in the league. Of course when I say happy, I mean gay...not that there's anything wrong with that.

martin wrote:haha, you can't make this stuff up:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/23006/steve-francis-team-ordered-to-criticize-him

Steve Francis' team ordered to criticize him

Globalization was always going to be a "feeling out" process.

Steve Francis has been a disappointment for his Beijing team, and has even gotten into trouble with the League's office for reportedly making a rude gesture from the bench.

But whereas in the NBA, David Stern's staff might fine or suspend Francis for such a thing, in the Chinese Basketball Association, the league has, according to the Agence France-Presse (via HoopsHype) ordered his Beijing team to, among other things, "educate and criticize" Francis for his uncivilized behavior.

Let's just take the report's word for it that Francis has been a miserably bad employee thus far this season. Nevertheless, when you read that, don't you just think: Wow, that's not how we handle things in the U.S.A. Here, that kind of public humiliation by an employer is asking for lawyers and all kinds of other stuff to be involved. We just do not do that.

I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would love to see players treated harshly and ripped apart publicly.

Not me. The NBA fails at this in various ways from time to time, but I'm thankful that, generally, efforts are made to preserve players' dignity. And I hope that, as basketball becomes becomes an increasingly global game, the NBA's approach prevails.

Because I don't want to live in a world where employers criticize and reeducate their employees as a matter of course. There are better ways.

what is acceptable in other cultures doesn't have to be acceptable in ours & vice versa... there are things that are regularly portrayed in the media in the States that more conservative cultures consider to be highly obscene & rude... we as Americans need to realize our own sense of morality & behavior codes don't apply when we go to other countries & we need to be respectful of that... when we go to live & work in another country, we have to live by THEIR rules & their way of doing things... behaving like a moron & flipping the bird during a game, while it may not be all that big of a deal in US society, is completely unacceptable in Asian culture... publically disrespecting someone else will subject you to harsh repurcussions

Because I don't want to live in a world where employers criticize and reeducate their employees as a matter of course. There are better ways.

then i would suggest he not move to China, because that's how they do things over there... making offensive gestures off the bench is tantamount to a loss of face for the entire franchise, which is never taken lightly in Asian culture... you are expected to conduct yourself with a certain sense of decorum, professionalism & humility when you are an employee of a company in Asian countries... you are considered an embassador & representative of the company that employs you, & there are certain expectations & responsibilities you are expected to live up to just like there are in any company in any country you work for... i used to work for a Korean company in Jersey & the owner was from the old school... used to make every employee do excercises in the front yard before work to get our blood going at 5 in the morning & foster more team spirit within the company... it was a pain in the ass for me & i hated doing it, but no one was twisting my leg to work there either... if i didn't like how he wanted to do things, i could have easily quit my job & gone to work someplace else.

Steve Francis being disciplined by his own team in this manner because of his own idiotic behavior is their way of saving face... there's absolutely nothing wrong with it & Francis should have enough respect for another country's culture & ways of doing things to know better than to act like a fool... if he doesn't like it, i'm sure there are some Turkish teams or other countries that might be looking for washed up NBA vets like him.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:haha, you can't make this stuff up:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/23006/steve-francis-team-ordered-to-criticize-him

Steve Francis' team ordered to criticize him

Globalization was always going to be a "feeling out" process.

Steve Francis has been a disappointment for his Beijing team, and has even gotten into trouble with the League's office for reportedly making a rude gesture from the bench.

But whereas in the NBA, David Stern's staff might fine or suspend Francis for such a thing, in the Chinese Basketball Association, the league has, according to the Agence France-Presse (via HoopsHype) ordered his Beijing team to, among other things, "educate and criticize" Francis for his uncivilized behavior.

Let's just take the report's word for it that Francis has been a miserably bad employee thus far this season. Nevertheless, when you read that, don't you just think: Wow, that's not how we handle things in the U.S.A. Here, that kind of public humiliation by an employer is asking for lawyers and all kinds of other stuff to be involved. We just do not do that.

I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would love to see players treated harshly and ripped apart publicly.

Not me. The NBA fails at this in various ways from time to time, but I'm thankful that, generally, efforts are made to preserve players' dignity. And I hope that, as basketball becomes becomes an increasingly global game, the NBA's approach prevails.

Because I don't want to live in a world where employers criticize and reeducate their employees as a matter of course. There are better ways.

what is acceptable in other cultures doesn't have to be acceptable in ours & vice versa... there are things that are regularly portrayed in the media in the States that more conservative cultures consider to be highly obscene & rude... we as Americans need to realize our own sense of morality & behavior codes don't apply when we go to other countries & we need to be respectful of that... when we go to live & work in another country, we have to live by THEIR rules & their way of doing things... behaving like a moron & flipping the bird during a game, while it may not be all that big of a deal in US society, is completely unacceptable in Asian culture... publically disrespecting someone else will subject you to harsh repurcussions

Because I don't want to live in a world where employers criticize and reeducate their employees as a matter of course. There are better ways.

then i would suggest he not move to China, because that's how they do things over there... making offensive gestures off the bench is tantamount to a loss of face for the entire franchise, which is never taken lightly in Asian culture... you are expected to conduct yourself with a certain sense of decorum, professionalism & humility when you are an employee of a company in Asian countries... you are considered an embassador & representative of the company that employs you, & there are certain expectations & responsibilities you are expected to live up to just like there are in any company in any country you work for... i used to work for a Korean company in Jersey & the owner was from the old school... used to make every employee do excercises in the front yard before work to get our blood going at 5 in the morning & foster more team spirit within the company... it was a pain in the ass for me & i hated doing it, but no one was twisting my leg to work there either... if i didn't like how he wanted to do things, i could have easily quit my job & gone to work someplace else.

Steve Francis being disciplined by his own team in this manner because of his own idiotic behavior is their way of saving face... there's absolutely nothing wrong with it & Francis should have enough respect for another country's culture & ways of doing things to know better than to act like a fool... if he doesn't like it, i'm sure there are some Turkish teams or other countries that might be looking for washed up NBA vets like him.

Bit like the old days when Larry brown would not adhere to the "Ask but don't tell" media policy where he was shut out of meetings and made to pull his Audi A8 on the side of the highway to speak to media. So disgracing his employer he was terminated and instead of being paid 50 million had to life with disgrace of being paid 23 in his one year of coaching.

He took his shame, disgraced and laughed his ass straight to the bank.