martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No-brainer. Earl Clark Malik Allen + a 2013+1 pick lottery protected. Move Mosgov back to his 12 minute bench role and clear the 4.3mm off the books.

you are not getting all that for a bit role player like Turiaf

Actually, I think ORL would do it in a second, but dont think the Knicks would. They need someone behind Bass and Howard as a big.

i don't... role playing bigs like Turiaf are readily available w/o having to give up lottery picks from last year's draft & a future protected #1... Turiaf belongs in the same regard as players like Joel Pryzbilla at this point... solid vets that can fill productive minutes for you off the bench, but not the types of players u give up any future assets for... a 2nd round pick & an expiring at best is what i can imagine any team giving up for a player like Turiaf... not to say i think he sucks, i actually like him a lot, but you have to be realistic in regards to his percieved value.

jimimou wrote:i agree bip - turiaf is the only backup mike trusts. you cant get rid of him unless you are willing to re-invest in timo - for like 15-20 minutes a game? mike wasnt ready to do this before. what;s changed?

Basically if you trade Turiaf for a backup PG, thus forcing Mike to give extended minutes to either AR or Mozgov then you are telling him that this season doesn't count either. Still rebuilding. Unless, they are showing something fantastic in practice, which makes this whole situation different.

Now if you secure anotehr big man that can produce then of course you can trade Turiaf for Duhon(not before). But then you are still in the same position you were in before the trade. Yous till only have one productive big man off the bench.

NY trades: Turiaf (and cuts Azubuike, Mason)

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Memphis trades: OJ Mayo, Demarre Carroll, Sam Young

NY trades: A Randolph, Toney Douglas, Bill Walker

leaves NY with:

PG: Felton, Williams
SG: Mayo, Fields
SF: Gallo, Young (who is not a bad player), Clark
PF: Amare, Chandler
C: Amare, Mosgov, Allen

so you acquire 2 young, high upside players and get addl cap room for next summer.

BRIGGS wrote:No-brainer. Earl Clark Malik Allen + a 2013+1 pick lottery protected. Move Mosgov back to his 12 minute bench role and clear the 4.3mm off the books.

Earl Clark is terrible. Under no circumstance would I give up Turiaf for him. If anything, we should look to use Turiaf's contract (and sweetner) in the Melo deal to see if we can also pry away Nene. Nene is 28 years old and would have no purpose in a rebuilding situation. That is the only rationale behind the Nuggets doing us that favor.

purple012870 wrote:no negativity to Ronny, just unloading the 4mm for next year and getting a PG (white choc), young talent (Clark) and/or future #1

Turiaf is a free agent at the end of the year. On the other hand, the Magic likely would give up Jason Williams for free this season considering their depth at point.

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

purple012870 wrote:no negativity to Ronny, just unloading the 4mm for next year and getting a PG (white choc), young talent (Clark) and/or future #1

Turiaf is a free agent at the end of the year. On the other hand, the Magic likely would give up Jason Williams for free this season considering their depth at point.

Turiaf has a player option for next year at $4.3M

Maybe Donnie makes a deal like this to get us PG depth we need as well as forcing Mike's hand in playing Moz/AR. But again, you come to the question of AR being capable of not destroying this team with whatever minutes he's given. Right now I'm way more comfortable giving those minutes to Moz.
If we can replace Turiaf's effort somehow AND get that contract out of here I'd say it would be a pretty good deal. I love what Turiaf brings but we have to think a few steps ahead.

Turiaf and Buike

for

Anderson and Reddick

considering how many perimeter guys they have, maybe they'd be up for it. But I would only go big for small if the Knicks get more talent back. Not our fault you traded Gortat for an Isiah style roster

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New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +12.6 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -1.6 apg.
Incoming Players
J.J. Redick
6-5 SG from Duke
8.9 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 24.3 minutes
Ryan Anderson
6-10 PF from California
4.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.1 apg in 8.6 minutes

Outgoing Players
Ronny Turiaf
6-9 C from Gonzaga
1.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.5 apg in 20.4 minutes
Kelenna Azubuike
6-5 SG from Kentucky
No games yet played in 2010-2011

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TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No-brainer. Earl Clark Malik Allen + a 2013+1 pick lottery protected. Move Mosgov back to his 12 minute bench role and clear the 4.3mm off the books.

you are not getting all that for a bit role player like Turiaf

Actually, I think ORL would do it in a second, but dont think the Knicks would. They need someone behind Bass and Howard as a big.

i don't... role playing bigs like Turiaf are readily available w/o having to give up lottery picks from last year's draft & a future protected #1... Turiaf belongs in the same regard as players like Joel Pryzbilla at this point... solid vets that can fill productive minutes for you off the bench, but not the types of players u give up any future assets for... a 2nd round pick & an expiring at best is what i can imagine any team giving up for a player like Turiaf... not to say i think he sucks, i actually like him a lot, but you have to be realistic in regards to his percieved value.

Magic are in an in-all mode right now. They dont care about future protected #1's (these are the types of picks that are sold for ~$3m, right? 25-30 range?). And I know that I am holding Earl in very low regard this year, my assumption was that PHO had already given up on him and threw him into the ORL deal as a salary dump.

So mostly ORL doesn't give a rats ass about Earl or the #1.

if you regard Earl Clark so low & want a late 1st round pick just buy one for $3M like you just alluded to... why would you give up a role player off our bench that has a real role on this team? we're thin enough on the bench as it is... if u need to cut $4M off our payroll for next season, simply cut Mozgov & Rautins, who have done nothing in their time as Knicks, or dump them for an expiring & whatever picks u can get for them... at least Turiaf is giving u something in the way of defense & shotblocking.

uh, I think you mis-reading what I am saying.... In my first response, I said that I DON'T think the Knicks would give up Turiaf but that ORL would do the deal for the reasons I outlined.

Deal works in the trade checker and reduces our 2011 salary commitments by a couple of $M.

J. Williams gives us a back-up pick & roll PG, Anderson gives us an outstanding shooting stretch 4 off the bench and Orton is a project. We pick up #1 pick for potential Melo deal or other uses.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:We need a (healthy) Turiaf more than we need Duhon who is gonna be on our cap for the next 3 seasons after this one.

Although Duhon could def. run the PNR fine and obv. knows the MDA system. I just hate him as a player for various reasons.

Duhon's main issue is that he's not a starter! 10-15 mins off the bench and he's fine. I still don't want him, just making a point. I'd prefer someone with the ability to play at our pace and pass to more than the PnR man.