highly recommend veetle movie channels, its hbo/cinemax/showtime level quality.

Andrew wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Andrew wrote:How can I determine how extensive the blackout area is? I'm in upstate NY.

Basically, if they offer MSG on your cable package, you will be blacked out, in my experience.

wow really? Even if you are 100s of miles away from NYC?

I'm 90% sure that's the case. If they offer MSG as part of your standard cable package, you get blacked out of Knicks games because it's looked at as competing with MSG's right to be the sole broadcaster of the games.

This sucks.

Pick a VPN service. I'm going to assume the one knickstorrents recommended is fine but I don't know. I used one in Libya because I couldn't order anything with a Libyan IP address. The VPN made it look like I was ordering from California and is secure... so it could be a cost effective way of being able to watch the Knicks and shop online with added security

I'm not aware of any manufacturers that currently partner w/ NBA TV - but I'd be surprised if there weren't announcements at CES, though.

I'm looking to drop my cable service... it's just waaay too expensive at this point. Ideally, I'd love to see an NBA TV Plex or XMBC app.

BasketballJones wrote:I was considering this until I saw the blackout rules. Although there may be ways around it with proxy servers, etc., it didn't seem worth the trouble, especially since they don't show the playoff games.

I did cancel my cable, so I use atdhe when I want to catch a game. I think the League Pass video quality is probably better, but with all the restrictions, it isn't worth it (to me). The NBA needs to figure out how to provide their product to those of us who've cut the cable.

I would consider League Pass... but no playoffs is just absurd.

martin wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:I was considering this until I saw the blackout rules. Although there may be ways around it with proxy servers, etc., it didn't seem worth the trouble, especially since they don't show the playoff games.

I did cancel my cable, so I use atdhe when I want to catch a game. I think the League Pass video quality is probably better, but with all the restrictions, it isn't worth it (to me). The NBA needs to figure out how to provide their product to those of us who've cut the cable.

I would consider League Pass... but no playoffs is just absurd.

Yes, I meant to mention that. I was disappointed to find out that the playoffs not included. But I was stunned to see that the playoffs cost nearly as much as I'm paying for the entire regular season (I think the playoffs are an extra 70 bucks).

I can't get MSG where I live, and I cannot watch most games live, so I need to have League Pass, since I rely heavily on watching the games on demand. So for me it's still a good investment. As for on demand, the cheaper package keeps the game up for only 24 hours, while the Premium package allows you to watch the game anytime during the remainder of the season.

The video quality is really good, btw. But I think they need to improve the way you can scroll through a game. On MLB.TV you can advance to any half inning. They ought to have a way to advance to at least the start of every quarter with League Pass.

martin wrote:

Erniecat wrote:

martin wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:I was considering this until I saw the blackout rules. Although there may be ways around it with proxy servers, etc., it didn't seem worth the trouble, especially since they don't show the playoff games.

I did cancel my cable, so I use atdhe when I want to catch a game. I think the League Pass video quality is probably better, but with all the restrictions, it isn't worth it (to me). The NBA needs to figure out how to provide their product to those of us who've cut the cable.

I would consider League Pass... but no playoffs is just absurd.

Yes, I meant to mention that. I was disappointed to find out that the playoffs not included. But I was stunned to see that the playoffs cost nearly as much as I'm paying for the entire regular season (I think the playoffs are an extra 70 bucks).

I can't get MSG where I live, and I cannot watch most games live, so I need to have League Pass, since I rely heavily on watching the games on demand. So for me it's still a good investment. As for on demand, the cheaper package keeps the game up for only 24 hours, while the Premium package allows you to watch the game anytime during the remainder of the season.

The video quality is really good, btw. But I think they need to improve the way you can scroll through a game. On MLB.TV you can advance to any half inning. They ought to have a way to advance to at least the start of every quarter with League Pass.

wait, so do they have playoffs or no? or is it that you just have to pay extra?

ypu have to play for the playoffs extention.

martin wrote:

Erniecat wrote:

martin wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:I was considering this until I saw the blackout rules. Although there may be ways around it with proxy servers, etc., it didn't seem worth the trouble, especially since they don't show the playoff games.

I did cancel my cable, so I use atdhe when I want to catch a game. I think the League Pass video quality is probably better, but with all the restrictions, it isn't worth it (to me). The NBA needs to figure out how to provide their product to those of us who've cut the cable.

I would consider League Pass... but no playoffs is just absurd.

Yes, I meant to mention that. I was disappointed to find out that the playoffs not included. But I was stunned to see that the playoffs cost nearly as much as I'm paying for the entire regular season (I think the playoffs are an extra 70 bucks).

I can't get MSG where I live, and I cannot watch most games live, so I need to have League Pass, since I rely heavily on watching the games on demand. So for me it's still a good investment. As for on demand, the cheaper package keeps the game up for only 24 hours, while the Premium package allows you to watch the game anytime during the remainder of the season.

The video quality is really good, btw. But I think they need to improve the way you can scroll through a game. On MLB.TV you can advance to any half inning. They ought to have a way to advance to at least the start of every quarter with League Pass.

wait, so do they have playoffs or no? or is it that you just have to pay extra?

Yes, they definitely have the playoffs available. You have to pay extra. It's a totally separate package. So as far as I know, you can subscribe to the regular season only, or to the playoffs only, or to both. When I subscribed to the regular season package in early November, I was given the option to also subscribe to the playoff package, and was told that the playoffs would be 20 bucks cheaper than if I waited (they did not say when they'd raise the price). I think that deal is still going on. It would cost me $69.95 to sign up for the playoffs right now. Obviously I'll wait to at least make sure the Knicks make it, and then decide whether to subscribe.

MLV.TV seemed to include the playoffs this past season. I thought that in years past they charged extra, but I did not subscribe to the 2010 postseason and was able to watch the games anyway. And if you want to subscribe to the MLB playoffs only, it costs just $20. So the NBA is charging a lot for the playoffs. Obviously there are more NBA playoff games than MLB playoff games, but still it's a lot, especially for fans of teams that figure to last only one round.

As far as the playoff package question that was posed earlier, I would assume that if they make you pay for the playoffs extension, you should have access to all of the playoff games since all of them are either on national television or on NBA TV (aka it would be messed up if they made you pay for the post-season and then decided to exclude some of the games). However, as far as the Knicks are concerned, that is a good question, on whether or not they would still be blacked out due to the national coverage. That's something I would call the NBA customer service about and ask them directly because I could see them going either way with that.

orangeblobman wrote:

s3231 wrote:Just to confirm, I got League Pass online today and all Knicks games are blacked out for me (since I live in NY). So if there is a television package in your area that offers the Knicks, you will get blacked out with league pass.

As far as the playoff package question that was posed earlier, I would assume that if they make you pay for the playoffs extension, you should have access to all of the playoff games since all of them are either on national television or on NBA TV (aka it would be messed up if they made you pay for the post-season and then decided to exclude some of the games). However, as far as the Knicks are concerned, that is a good question, on whether or not they would still be blacked out due to the national coverage. That's something I would call the NBA customer service about and ask them directly because I could see them going either way with that.

Can you tell them you live somewhere else? Why don't you change your 'home' address.

Don't think it's that easy unfortunately. I mean, you can probably change your IP address or something to make it look like you are in a different location but not sure it's worth the trouble (I watch Knicks on TV anyway and just got league pass to watch other teams).

When I had it in college, I remember it went off billing address from your credit card but I don't think it still goes off of that.