orangeblobman wrote:

martin wrote:Gallo=Chase Budinger?

What?!@?!?! Gallo = Young Dirk/ Petrovic.

Bird-lite.

cheers wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

martin wrote:Gallo=Chase Budinger?

What?!@?!?! Gallo = Young Dirk/ Petrovic.

Clearly you haven't seen a young Dirk Nowitzki or Drazen Petrovic. By Dirk's 3rd year in the league, he was already the best player on his team and a 21ppg, 9rpg machine. Gallo has a hard time carrying a basketball team for more than a quarter.

ok i get the gallo inconsistency. this may look like a gallo instant reaction defensive post (hell maybe it is) but gallo has shown he can spark it up for a whole half. yes love for him to do that four quarters. but maybe he doesnt cause he gets worn out chasing players on defense i dont know. but when he does have those hot flashes.. i would love love love for the offense to go through gallo.

would you just stop being a knicks fan if ny doesnt get gallo and keep all our current assets? unfair question. but hey it is not about one player or bust. i like melo on this team as well. but gallo/wilson/fields are not anything less than good players.

Again, I'm not denying Gallo is a good player because he is. At the same time, I'm not going to be sipping on the Kool-Aid Knick fans tend to when they finally get an opportunity to see what a good draft pick looks like.

I remember when everyone was touting Channing Frye as an inevitable all-star. Look at where he is at now.

I remember when everyone was hyping up Nate Robinson to inevitably be one of the best PG's in the league. Look at where he is at now.

Ronaldo Balkman was suppose to be the next Gerald Wallace by now and yet can not find time with the Nuggets.

Remember Randolph Morris and Jackie Butler; our two center projects that would emerge into starting caliber big men and who held serious value if we traded them? Are they even in the league right now?

I think that the fact of the matter is that Gallo, fully developed, projects into a 6th man on a contending team. He has a high basketball IQ but is a liability defensively when playing the 3 (at least on a contender) and has demonstrated nothing more than a jumpshot that is actually one of the league's best. I'm guessing he'll be something of a future Robert Horry without the defensive abilities.

Melo2NYK wrote:

TMS wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

TMS wrote:on #'s 1, 2 & 4, I agree w/u on 100%... but in order to target stars & future stars, it's usually necessary to give up your draft picks, thereby making #3 on your list harder to do... unless you're talking about very high lottery picks, with which we have not had much luck with.

for a big market team like ours, you can better afford to go the targetting stars route at the risk of sacrificing future picks... smaller market teams like the Spurs can't afford to spend in the same manner, so they're more conservative in their approach to building their teams... let's face it, if they hadn't been lucky enough to land Tim Duncan in the draft, they don't win squat... you can make a case for both methods of rebuilding a franchise & you wouldn't be wrong w/either... history has shown both methods have succeeded in winning championships... the Celtics amassed young assets & picks & traded them away for established star players & won a championship because of it too... the Miami Heat are attempting to win using the free agency route... my feeling is that the Knicks are looking to get more established star players to build around rather than banking their future on potential guys at this point... it's a reach to bank your entire future on landing a once in a generation type talent like Tim Duncan in the draft... sure it's always good to focus on recognizing talent in the draft, but right now the fans are ready & the city is ready for the team to be great again... i don't think another 2-3 years of waiting is in the plans anymore... we have our franchise star in Amare, we owe it to our franchise now to make the moves to surround him with great talent so we can make a legitimate run at a title.

You actually make an excellent point. New York is such a pressure-cooker that it makes it especially difficult for rookies to mature, which lessens the value of having a pick in comparison to signing a star. I definitely prefer the "star" alternative as a result. This, however, isn't to say that we should not actively seek draft picks. Teams like the Spurs have done a hell of a job finding the types of role players that grow into key roles on their team that were far from lottery picks (Tony Parker drafted 28th, Manu Ginobli drafted 53rd, Luis Scola drafted 56th, Dajuan Bliar drafted 37th, George Hill drafted 26th and the list goes on and on and on). I'd like to see the Knicks potentially drafting these types of players that if all else falls, could fill a role and allow us to have some type of continuity shifting from one era to another when that time comes.

agreed about SA's draft picks other than Duncan, they've done an excellent job amassing good young talent to surround him with using the draft... i think the Knicks are on the right path in that regard with guys like Fields, Wilson, Gallo, AR & Douglas too, but i realize that we're still at least a major piece away from being a real contender for a title... adding a role playing C & a backup PG is simply not gonna cut it but a lot of guys around here seem to think that's all we need... i disagree... i think we need something major, & right now Melo seems to be the best option to fill that need... if we have to give up a couple of those young pieces to get him here, i think it's a move we have to make... we simply can't expect to build a champion around Amare unless we're willing to take the next step & bring in another star for him to play with

I do think we're on the right path with regards to drafting players but save Landry Fields, the Donnie Walsh-led Knicks have consistently let better players slide past their draft position.

In 2008 when we drafted Gallo, Eric Gordon and Brook Lopez were still on the board. Lopez doesn't fit our offensive scheme, so I can live with that one but Eric Gordon is a perfect fit for this system. To make matters worse, the Indiana Pacers (17th) and Washington Wizards (18th) were rumored to be willing to sell their picks. At that position, Roy Hibbert, JaVale McGee, JJ Hickson, Courtney Lee, Serge Ibaka, Nicolas Batum, George Hill, Donte Green, DeAndre Jordan, Luc Mbah a Moute and Sonny Weems were all available. Why were we not involved in any transaction to bring in any of those players?

In 2009 when we drafted Jordan Hill, Brandon Jennings, Terrence Williams, Jrue Holiday, Darren Collison and Taj Gibson were still on the board. I got no real beef with the 29th pick (Toney Douglas) but had we not drafted Gallo the year before, Chase Budinger would have been available who IMO is Gallo's equal.

I hope this disturbing trend is corrected because we are in no position to pass on talent.

i get what you're getting at... this franchise has obviously not gotten all of its picks right, but i don't see many franchises that have... the draft is such an inexact science, which is why i usually prefer taking the proven NBA talent over picks or prospects... u just don't know what you're getting when u draft someone or take on a young player that hasn't proven anything yet in the NBA in most cases... there are very few can't miss prospects like Lebron James & Tim Duncan that come out of the draft, & the ones that do are usually taken #1 overall... even Kobe Bryant was a highly unknown outcome at the time... no one could deny the kid had talent but how that would translate into him becoming the best player in the league no one could have possibly known... in order for us to grab a high enough pick to get the can't miss type prospects in the draft, we need to first be really really bad & also really really lucky... we've been 1 but never the other... Gallo's been a solid pick, u can argue you'd rather we drafted Lopez or Gordon i'm fine w/that, but we also could have done much worse like taking Jerryd Bayless who a lot of people wanted around here, so i have no problems w/where he was selected... i have way more issues with how Jordan Hill was handled... if we were going to use our lottery pick to take him i would have expected us to give him more of a look than the limited run he got... i actually wanted us to draft Demar Derozan out of that draft, but even he's still an unknown commodity & we'd likely be talking about trading him too in our pursuit of Carmelo Anthony if we had... there are always going to be prospects that we can lament about not having picked, but in the end, i'd trade any one of those guys on your list to have a proven star like Carmelo Anthony on the Knicks.

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:Gallo=Chase Budinger?

So is this the part where we have to talk about how awesome Gallo is despite the topic having nothing to really do with him?

Weren't you the one that compared Gallo to Budinger? If it had nothing to do with the topic, don't make the ungodly awful comparison. Or at least characterize Budinger correctly: Gallo-really-lite.

So Gallo can be "Bird (I'm a ****ing legend)-lite" but Chase Budinger, whose numbers and play compare quite favorably to Gallo, is "Gallo-really-lite?" Alright dude.

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:Gallo=Chase Budinger?

So is this the part where we have to talk about how awesome Gallo is despite the topic having nothing to really do with him?

Weren't you the one that compared Gallo to Budinger? If it had nothing to do with the topic, don't make the ungodly awful comparison. Or at least characterize Budinger correctly: Gallo-really-lite.

So Gallo can be "Bird (I'm a ****ing legend)-lite" but Chase Budinger, whose numbers and play compare quite favorably to Gallo, is "Gallo-really-lite?" Alright dude.

Why are you hating on Gallinari?

Look at Drazen Petrovic, the man that started the European Invasion in the NBA, check his numbers out and note his age.

Then come back and check Gallo out, That Ninja. Calculate what you have to calculate in your brain, and dig it, man. Feel it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/petrodr01.html

Haters just don't want to see a Euro succeed, that's all.

Uptown wrote:

TMS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

TMS wrote:on #'s 1, 2 & 4, I agree w/u on 100%... but in order to target stars & future stars, it's usually necessary to give up your draft picks, thereby making #3 on your list harder to do... unless you're talking about very high lottery picks, with which we have not had much luck with.

for a big market team like ours, you can better afford to go the targetting stars route at the risk of sacrificing future picks... smaller market teams like the Spurs can't afford to spend in the same manner, so they're more conservative in their approach to building their teams... let's face it, if they hadn't been lucky enough to land Tim Duncan in the draft, they don't win squat... you can make a case for both methods of rebuilding a franchise & you wouldn't be wrong w/either... history has shown both methods have succeeded in winning championships... the Celtics amassed young assets & picks & traded them away for established star players & won a championship because of it too... the Miami Heat are attempting to win using the free agency route... my feeling is that the Knicks are looking to get more established star players to build around rather than banking their future on potential guys at this point... it's a reach to bank your entire future on landing a once in a generation type talent like Tim Duncan in the draft... sure it's always good to focus on recognizing talent in the draft, but right now the fans are ready & the city is ready for the team to be great again... i don't think another 2-3 years of waiting is in the plans anymore... we have our franchise star in Amare, we owe it to our franchise now to make the moves to surround him with great talent so we can make a legitimate run at a title.

Totally agree especially the responsibility on our front office to surround Amare with the proper talent to take full advantage of the opportunities we have to be an elite team in the east. Its not a bad thing to amass young prospects and draft picks and trade them for an established star player who you are almost certain will lift the team to new heights. Especially when the star player (Melo) is being paired with another star player (Amare). This is a far cry from trading prospects and picks for a player like Marbury who was a good player but was being added as the only piece to a franchise and would have to lift the team out of obscurity by himself. The Marbury deal would have made more sense if you were adding him to an already established allstar like Ewing, etc. But with Amare here, this is when you spend, and go over the cap if need be to add the right pieces to make us a contender.

Marbury was a very good player talentwise, but his mental makeup was all wrong for NYC, as we all became distinctly aware after he got here... plus he already had a reputation for destroying team chemistry & being all about himself everywhere he'd played in the past... surprisingly, he started out pretty well in NY while playing good, unselfish team ball & actually getting along w/Keith Van Horn... seemed like it might actually work out w/him, but then Isiah made the Tim Thomas/Nazr trade & got rid of Van Horn & Doleac, & Marbury got the sense this was more about him than the team... then the Eddy Curry & Zach Randolph trades to compound matters by 100 fold & you know the rest.

i don't see how a player like Carmelo Anthony even compares to any of those guys in terms of risk & value as an NBA star... Melo is legit... he's proven that he can carry a team to the playoffs for 7 consecutive seasons ever since he was a rookie, & he carried his NCAA team to a national title... this guy is a proven winner, nothing like Marbury, Curry or Zach Randolph... if there ever was a time that trading future talent for someone makes sense, it's for a player of this calibre.

of course the pricetag is what concerns everyone, & it should... no one likes the thought of giving away promising young talent like Gallo, Wilson or Fields... everyone likes to see young players grow & develop on the team that drafted them... all this is perfectly understandable... but you can't have sentimental attachments to players when there are better options available... IMO, as fans we should be thinking about the overall good of the team first, & sentimental attachments to certain players second... this is why i always felt we needed to trade David Lee even though he was 1 of my favorite players on the team since we drafted him... it was obvious he could only take us so far... we needed an upgrade, & Amare has provided that in spades... i think the same thing can happen if we get Melo to NYC... that doesn't mean we have to give up all 3 of our young guys to get Melo either... i don't think there's a single person on these forums that advocates giving up all that given Melo's obvious desire to play for us next year... i think DW is gonna play this the right way & he'll end up getting Melo, either in an equitable trade before the deadline, or via free agency... & if not, then he'll have other suitable plan B options to pursue... i don't think he has any intention whatsoever of gutting our roster to get any single player.

Not sure if you read my response right, but I'm in the Get-Melo-To-NY-Camp. I only brought up Marbury to point out the type of player you might not want to give up multiple draft picks and young players to get especially when he would be the lone star here. With Amare onboard, this is when you give up the young assets and perhaps a pick to get a proven guy like Melo to pair with the star we already have. Similar to the Celts, they gave up Jefferson and Gomes (young assets) and picks to add Allen and Garnett to Pierce who was already there. They went all in and it paid off because they already had the star player (Pierce) onboard.

yeah Uptown i know u & I are on the same page on this Melo issue... i was just making the Marbury comparisons because i've heard people raising the topic on other threads... i think it's assinine to think it's even a similar situation.

orangeblobman wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:Gallo=Chase Budinger?

So is this the part where we have to talk about how awesome Gallo is despite the topic having nothing to really do with him?

Weren't you the one that compared Gallo to Budinger? If it had nothing to do with the topic, don't make the ungodly awful comparison. Or at least characterize Budinger correctly: Gallo-really-lite.

So Gallo can be "Bird (I'm a ****ing legend)-lite" but Chase Budinger, whose numbers and play compare quite favorably to Gallo, is "Gallo-really-lite?" Alright dude.

Why are you hating on Gallinari?

Look at Drazen Petrovic, the man that started the European Invasion in the NBA, check his numbers out and note his age.

Then come back and check Gallo out, That Ninja. Calculate what you have to calculate in your brain, and dig it, man. Feel it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/petrodr01.html

Haters just don't want to see a Euro succeed, that's all.

Melo2NYK wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:Gallo=Chase Budinger?

So is this the part where we have to talk about how awesome Gallo is despite the topic having nothing to really do with him?

Weren't you the one that compared Gallo to Budinger? If it had nothing to do with the topic, don't make the ungodly awful comparison. Or at least characterize Budinger correctly: Gallo-really-lite.

don't you mean Brian Scalabrine-ultra heavy?

LOL, that comparison is much more appropriate before we start lumping this kid with one of the best ball players to ever grace a court. Gallo would have a hard time fulfilling Keith Van Horn's career let alone approach anything Bird did on the court.

i dunno if you were around these forums last year, but even a scrub like Sergio Rodriguez was referred to as Nash Lite... Knick fans tend to get overly excited about their players at times... Gallo's a good young player, but nowhere even in the same universe as Larry Bird.

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:Gallo=Chase Budinger?

So is this the part where we have to talk about how awesome Gallo is despite the topic having nothing to really do with him?

Weren't you the one that compared Gallo to Budinger? If it had nothing to do with the topic, don't make the ungodly awful comparison. Or at least characterize Budinger correctly: Gallo-really-lite.

So Gallo can be "Bird (I'm a ****ing legend)-lite" but Chase Budinger, whose numbers and play compare quite favorably to Gallo, is "Gallo-really-lite?" Alright dude.

Budinger's play and #'s compare favorably to Gallo? Do you watch either play?

One is a very good shooter from outside who plays a heryk-jerky game. The other relies on athleticism for all of his points and lacks in shooting.