cheers wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Because it's all about establishing a culture, a structure that the team plays from. It's like a pad where rockets blast off. If he plays AR, a guy that's not buying into the team concept, into the 'go hard or go home' culture Coach Mike is building, then the whole team will suffer because they'll look at it like "hey, this guy is an immature, lazy bum but he's getting time, and we're here balling hard, so what's the difference?" You can't build a faulty launch pad because the rocket will go astray and not make it into space, where we're going, the moon.

So it's not just about giving the guy minutes. It's about establishing a system, a cultural framework for the team. And that's worth a lot more to the Knicks than playing a punk kid 10 minutes a night, no matter how athletic he is.

Come on, come on. You gotta see the big picture.

I heard an interview this very week(yesterday I think) on ESPN radio asking MDA's brother what is the story with AR and him not getting PT...He said AR works very hard during practice and he will eventually get time at some point down the road...So your theory of his not buying in or working hard is incorrect..

They're letting him save face, that's actually a sign that they're not giving up on him yet because he is so young.

If all that were true he would already be seeing minutes.

So your premise based on no fact or any corroboration must be true and a coach who works with him daily must be false...

The fact is that a guy with talents we can desperately use is not getting time. This isn't because Coach Mike doesn't want to play him. It's because he's not ready to play, for whatever reason. He's not with it. So there's no sense blasting Coach Mike for not playing the guy because if the guy were ready he would be playing.

I don't know what kind of kick some of you fellas are on that makes you think Coach Mike doesn't want to play the kid based on some personal hang-up, or whatever.

Mosgov wasn't ready either and he was given a starting slot...Mosgov was given every opportunity to fail which he did...Let's see what AR can do..If he fails we can live with that...Darko never got a shot when we had a horrible team, that guy would help us now...

nate and darko two players ny could really use now, jordan hill wouldnt hurt either but watev, add ar to the list of players to throw away.

Nate? Is this a joke? We need a backup PG, not 5'9 SG.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

cheers wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Because it's all about establishing a culture, a structure that the team plays from. It's like a pad where rockets blast off. If he plays AR, a guy that's not buying into the team concept, into the 'go hard or go home' culture Coach Mike is building, then the whole team will suffer because they'll look at it like "hey, this guy is an immature, lazy bum but he's getting time, and we're here balling hard, so what's the difference?" You can't build a faulty launch pad because the rocket will go astray and not make it into space, where we're going, the moon.

So it's not just about giving the guy minutes. It's about establishing a system, a cultural framework for the team. And that's worth a lot more to the Knicks than playing a punk kid 10 minutes a night, no matter how athletic he is.

Come on, come on. You gotta see the big picture.

I heard an interview this very week(yesterday I think) on ESPN radio asking MDA's brother what is the story with AR and him not getting PT...He said AR works very hard during practice and he will eventually get time at some point down the road...So your theory of his not buying in or working hard is incorrect..

They're letting him save face, that's actually a sign that they're not giving up on him yet because he is so young.

If all that were true he would already be seeing minutes.

So your premise based on no fact or any corroboration must be true and a coach who works with him daily must be false...

The fact is that a guy with talents we can desperately use is not getting time. This isn't because Coach Mike doesn't want to play him. It's because he's not ready to play, for whatever reason. He's not with it. So there's no sense blasting Coach Mike for not playing the guy because if the guy were ready he would be playing.

I don't know what kind of kick some of you fellas are on that makes you think Coach Mike doesn't want to play the kid based on some personal hang-up, or whatever.

Mosgov wasn't ready either and he was given a starting slot...Mosgov was given every opportunity to fail which he did...Let's see what AR can do..If he fails we can live with that...Darko never got a shot when we had a horrible team, that guy would help us now...

nate and darko two players ny could really use now, jordan hill wouldnt hurt either but watev, add ar to the list of players to throw away.

Nate? Is this a joke? We need a backup PG, not 5'9 SG.

nate yea that joke who came off the bench for the celtics ftw.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

cheers wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Because it's all about establishing a culture, a structure that the team plays from. It's like a pad where rockets blast off. If he plays AR, a guy that's not buying into the team concept, into the 'go hard or go home' culture Coach Mike is building, then the whole team will suffer because they'll look at it like "hey, this guy is an immature, lazy bum but he's getting time, and we're here balling hard, so what's the difference?" You can't build a faulty launch pad because the rocket will go astray and not make it into space, where we're going, the moon.

So it's not just about giving the guy minutes. It's about establishing a system, a cultural framework for the team. And that's worth a lot more to the Knicks than playing a punk kid 10 minutes a night, no matter how athletic he is.

Come on, come on. You gotta see the big picture.

I heard an interview this very week(yesterday I think) on ESPN radio asking MDA's brother what is the story with AR and him not getting PT...He said AR works very hard during practice and he will eventually get time at some point down the road...So your theory of his not buying in or working hard is incorrect..

They're letting him save face, that's actually a sign that they're not giving up on him yet because he is so young.

If all that were true he would already be seeing minutes.

So your premise based on no fact or any corroboration must be true and a coach who works with him daily must be false...

The fact is that a guy with talents we can desperately use is not getting time. This isn't because Coach Mike doesn't want to play him. It's because he's not ready to play, for whatever reason. He's not with it. So there's no sense blasting Coach Mike for not playing the guy because if the guy were ready he would be playing.

I don't know what kind of kick some of you fellas are on that makes you think Coach Mike doesn't want to play the kid based on some personal hang-up, or whatever.

Mosgov wasn't ready either and he was given a starting slot...Mosgov was given every opportunity to fail which he did...Let's see what AR can do..If he fails we can live with that...Darko never got a shot when we had a horrible team, that guy would help us now...

nate and darko two players ny could really use now, jordan hill wouldnt hurt either but watev, add ar to the list of players to throw away.

Nate? Is this a joke? We need a backup PG, not 5'9 SG.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

cheers wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Because it's all about establishing a culture, a structure that the team plays from. It's like a pad where rockets blast off. If he plays AR, a guy that's not buying into the team concept, into the 'go hard or go home' culture Coach Mike is building, then the whole team will suffer because they'll look at it like "hey, this guy is an immature, lazy bum but he's getting time, and we're here balling hard, so what's the difference?" You can't build a faulty launch pad because the rocket will go astray and not make it into space, where we're going, the moon.

So it's not just about giving the guy minutes. It's about establishing a system, a cultural framework for the team. And that's worth a lot more to the Knicks than playing a punk kid 10 minutes a night, no matter how athletic he is.

Come on, come on. You gotta see the big picture.

I heard an interview this very week(yesterday I think) on ESPN radio asking MDA's brother what is the story with AR and him not getting PT...He said AR works very hard during practice and he will eventually get time at some point down the road...So your theory of his not buying in or working hard is incorrect..

They're letting him save face, that's actually a sign that they're not giving up on him yet because he is so young.

If all that were true he would already be seeing minutes.

So your premise based on no fact or any corroboration must be true and a coach who works with him daily must be false...

The fact is that a guy with talents we can desperately use is not getting time. This isn't because Coach Mike doesn't want to play him. It's because he's not ready to play, for whatever reason. He's not with it. So there's no sense blasting Coach Mike for not playing the guy because if the guy were ready he would be playing.

I don't know what kind of kick some of you fellas are on that makes you think Coach Mike doesn't want to play the kid based on some personal hang-up, or whatever.

Mosgov wasn't ready either and he was given a starting slot...Mosgov was given every opportunity to fail which he did...Let's see what AR can do..If he fails we can live with that...Darko never got a shot when we had a horrible team, that guy would help us now...

nate and darko two players ny could really use now, jordan hill wouldnt hurt either but watev, add ar to the list of players to throw away.

Nate? Is this a joke? We need a backup PG, not 5'9 SG.

Nate is starting for the Celts right now at point. Rondo is out for awhile and Doc has Nate starting for the Eastern Conference champs. D'Antoni has favorites and guys that he buries on the bench until Walsh takes care of moving them. It is one of his greatest faults.

Nate is starting because they have nobody else to play. That makes him good?

Stop over-simplifying facts. Nate is a fill-in for an injured Rondo on the Celtics. he hasn't been a starter this whole season. In fact, he has barely played, averaging 15 minutes per game.

Nate Robinson will never be missed here. Not now, not ever.

between you and i, no one else is reading this, you dont miss nate even a little

Finestrg wrote:Man, this might be the most presumptuous post I've even read on this board. Wow..

In fact to all the AR detractors, not only blob -- where's the proof in anything you all are saying??? Where's the proof that he's not buying into Mike's program? All the reports I've heard, even from Mike himself, are that he's working hard in practice and one of the first guys in the gym every single morning..Where's the proof that he's an "immature lazy bum"? All this kid talked about during the pre-season was how excited he was to be here and how hard he worked on his game, specifically his jumpshooting, during the summer..Where's the proof that he's a "punk"? That's just rediculous...This league is littered with punks & trouble makers--this kid isn't one of them..He's about as quite and unassuming as Wilson Chandler..Has he made one comment detrimential to the team throughout this whole period where he's gotten jerked around and removed from the rotation?? No, he hasn't..hasn't said a peep...Looks real fired up with his teammates on the bench everytime the camera pans over after the Knicks do something great or make a run from what I see, but what do I know?? Where's the proof that he's hurt and may not be 100% physically?? Don't you think we would've heard something if that was the case, either from the kid himself or the Knicks? D'Antoni would probably love this to be so -- it would give him the excuse he's looking for not to play him..Not the case however.. He said he's 100% and I believe him. The organization cleared him to play after he rolled his ankle to start the season so that's that..Also, do you think multiple teams would be willing to give up a 1st round pick for him if he was hurt??

Man, and I was told yesterday that I need to watch more closely..LOL..Some of you really need to look with better eyes, open your minds up to some possibilities and not give up on a player the minute something, anything, doesn't go right..

Maybe he was offbase with the punkand malcontent description, but he sure as HELL didn't work on that jumper

Paladin55 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Nate is starting for the Celts right now at point. Rondo is out for awhile and Doc has Nate starting for the Eastern Conference champs. D'Antoni has favorites and guys that he buries on the bench until Walsh takes care of moving them. It is one of his greatest faults.

He never consistently showed us the things he is doing with the Celtics when he was on the Knicks. I remember him playing in the SL during MDAs first year, and all he did was put up 3s. I think it is obvious that the player leadership on the Knicks was not strong enough to control Nate, and if a player cannot fit in, the only thing a coach can do is bench him.

Not true with the Celtics, who are similar to the Yankees in this way- their team tradition (and guys like KG, Allen, and Pierce) trumps the egos of individual players.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

cheers wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Because it's all about establishing a culture, a structure that the team plays from. It's like a pad where rockets blast off. If he plays AR, a guy that's not buying into the team concept, into the 'go hard or go home' culture Coach Mike is building, then the whole team will suffer because they'll look at it like "hey, this guy is an immature, lazy bum but he's getting time, and we're here balling hard, so what's the difference?" You can't build a faulty launch pad because the rocket will go astray and not make it into space, where we're going, the moon.

So it's not just about giving the guy minutes. It's about establishing a system, a cultural framework for the team. And that's worth a lot more to the Knicks than playing a punk kid 10 minutes a night, no matter how athletic he is.

Come on, come on. You gotta see the big picture.

I heard an interview this very week(yesterday I think) on ESPN radio asking MDA's brother what is the story with AR and him not getting PT...He said AR works very hard during practice and he will eventually get time at some point down the road...So your theory of his not buying in or working hard is incorrect..

They're letting him save face, that's actually a sign that they're not giving up on him yet because he is so young.

If all that were true he would already be seeing minutes.

So your premise based on no fact or any corroboration must be true and a coach who works with him daily must be false...

The fact is that a guy with talents we can desperately use is not getting time. This isn't because Coach Mike doesn't want to play him. It's because he's not ready to play, for whatever reason. He's not with it. So there's no sense blasting Coach Mike for not playing the guy because if the guy were ready he would be playing.

I don't know what kind of kick some of you fellas are on that makes you think Coach Mike doesn't want to play the kid based on some personal hang-up, or whatever.

Mosgov wasn't ready either and he was given a starting slot...Mosgov was given every opportunity to fail which he did...Let's see what AR can do..If he fails we can live with that...Darko never got a shot when we had a horrible team, that guy would help us now...

nate and darko two players ny could really use now, jordan hill wouldnt hurt either but watev, add ar to the list of players to throw away.

Nate? Is this a joke? We need a backup PG, not 5'9 SG.

Nate is starting for the Celts right now at point. Rondo is out for awhile and Doc has Nate starting for the Eastern Conference champs. D'Antoni has favorites and guys that he buries on the bench until Walsh takes care of moving them. It is one of his greatest faults.

Nate is starting because they have nobody else to play. That makes him good?

Stop over-simplifying facts. Nate is a fill-in for an injured Rondo on the Celtics. he hasn't been a starter this whole season. In fact, he has barely played, averaging 15 minutes per game.

Nate Robinson will never be missed here. Not now, not ever.

Papabear Says

You have a looser's mentality. Boston is laughing at us saying that N8 was a great steal. How come they love him in Boston? Why? Because they reconize a winner. I don't like the Celtics but I love their winning ways. Give N8 his just due. AR will get his chance I bet Boston would love to get him. LOL I bet Miami would love to get him LOL

Papabear wrote:
Papabear Says

You have a looser's mentality. Boston is laughing at us saying that N8 was a great steal. How come they love him in Boston? Why? Because they reconize a winner. I don't like the Celtics but I love their winning ways. Give N8 his just due. AR will get his chance I bet Boston would love to get him. LOL I bet Miami would love to get him LOL

Are you sure that you're not confusing the Nate trade with the Jets waiving Danny Woodhead and the great job he is now doing with our arch-rival, the Patriots?