BlueSeats wrote:As Lupica made the point: Lebron, Wade and Bosh scored 84 points to our entire teams 91. You gonna tell me their bench beat us?

this means what

keep the current status quo of burning out our top five. meh. i'd rather fire the coach.

cheers wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:As Lupica made the point: Lebron, Wade and Bosh scored 84 points to our entire teams 91. You gonna tell me their bench beat us?

this means what

keep the current status quo of burning out our top five. meh. i'd rather fire the coach.

We have a lot of holes, and not just on the bench.

One problem with our bench is that guys like Turiaf and TD are banged up. IF RT could be counted on for 20 MPG it would be great, but that seems unlikely. Another problem is that going to our bench pretty much guarantees a deficit.

But you can't just upgrade your bench for free. If people aren't willing to give guys up for a premier starter what are they willing to give up to solidify the bench?

Personally I'd round out my starting 5 before diddling with the bench.

To be great you need a good bench, and great starters.

BlueSeats wrote:

cheers wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:As Lupica made the point: Lebron, Wade and Bosh scored 84 points to our entire teams 91. You gonna tell me their bench beat us?

this means what

keep the current status quo of burning out our top five. meh. i'd rather fire the coach.

We have a lot of holes, and not just on the bench.

One problem with our bench is that guys like Turiaf and TD are banged up. IF RT could be counted on for 20 MPG it would be great, but that seems unlikely. Another problem is that going to our bench pretty much guarantees a deficit.

But you can't just upgrade your bench for free. If people aren't willing to give guys up for a premier starter what are they willing to give up to solidify the bench?

Personally I'd round out my starting 5 before diddling with the bench.

To be great you need a good bench, and great starters.

honestly i think the biggest hole is a stubborn coach.

guys like td (and i like td) should be given a bruce bowen role, but clearing mda wants td to shoot shoot shoot cause he keeps putting him in when he does just that. if turiaf leg is that bad, there are replacements for turiaf named ar and timo on the bench.

as for rounding out the starting five. i see it more as we have five top players, who we want in the game fresh to close games out. we have a bench who's job can be just that.

cheers wrote:honestly i think the biggest hole is a stubborn coach.

I think there's an interesting D'Antoni phenomenon at work, that I think was there in Phoenix too, wherein the team over achieves because of the system, and then get's held accountable for not living up to the resultant over expectations.

A 16-12 record tells me the coach is doing okay. Fields, Timo, Turiaf, Gallo and Chandler in the starting lineup tells me the coach is okay playing bench guys if they perform.

The stated goal for this season is to make the playoffs. Getting significant minutes from AR is a luxury not a necessity for THIS season.

BlueSeats wrote:

cheers wrote:honestly i think the biggest hole is a stubborn coach.

I think there's an interesting D'Antoni phenomenon at work, that I think was there in Phoenix too, wherein the team over achieves because of the system, and then get's held accountable for not living up to the resultant over expectations.

A 16-12 record tells me the coach is doing okay. Fields, Timo, Turiaf, Gallo and Chandler in the starting lineup tells me the coach is okay playing bench guys if they perform.

The stated goal for this season is to make the playoffs. Getting significant minutes from AR is a luxury not a necessity for THIS season.

phoenix was a long time ago. mda system isnt taking anyone by surprise anymore, it was effectively countered by celtics and miami. who guess what.. used their bench to spell their top guys in order to keep em fresh to finish the knicks. mda never countered this, instead ran his top five to exhaustion and the cavs capitalized on [knicks] being a tired team.

BlueSeats wrote:Briggs, I think if you can get your head around the notion that a starting 5 of Felton, Fields, Gallo, Will, Amare will not take you to the promised land the rest will fall into place.

My god how about some patience. These are some really good ball players who also happen to be 22-22 23 26 28. We finally get some really good ballplayers and now what--remove them??? How about the theory of adding to them???

also look what Shawne Williams did yesterday. When our starters faltered--he basically put us into position to win the game. That's what a good bench does. A few seconds different with the Celtic and Cav games and were talking 18-10 and how much promise we have. Now its we sck we need melo give them anything they want--thats what Van Gundy said---I say shut up and let D walsh do it.

BlueSeats wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:Briggs, I think if you can get your head around the notion that a starting 5 of Felton, Fields, Gallo, Will, Amare will not take you to the promised land the rest will fall into place.

My god how about some patience. These are some really good ball players who also happen to be 22-22 23 26 28. We finally get some really good ballplayers and now what--remove them??? How about the theory of adding to them???

also look what Shawne Williams did yesterday. When our starters faltered--he basically put us into position to win the game. That's what a good bench does. A few seconds different with the Celtic and Cav games and were talking 18-10 and how much promise we have. Now its we sck we need melo give them anything they want--thats what Van Gundy said---I say shut up and let D walsh do it.

It's not about patience, I have more of it than you. It's about prioritizing. This is the last time we'll be under the cap for a looong time. Solidify your core first, then diddle with the bench.

this is like an orphan annie sun will come out tomorrow reply. how about today? i agree with briggs let donnie figure out tomorrow as of today its all eyes on mda. is mda countering smart teams that use mda's run system against him?? no. the game plan for any opposing team is, gas mda top guys out cause he will never rest 'em.

cheers wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

cheers wrote:honestly i think the biggest hole is a stubborn coach.

I think there's an interesting D'Antoni phenomenon at work, that I think was there in Phoenix too, wherein the team over achieves because of the system, and then get's held accountable for not living up to the resultant over expectations.

A 16-12 record tells me the coach is doing okay. Fields, Timo, Turiaf, Gallo and Chandler in the starting lineup tells me the coach is okay playing bench guys if they perform.

The stated goal for this season is to make the playoffs. Getting significant minutes from AR is a luxury not a necessity for THIS season.

phoenix was a long time ago. mda system isnt taking anyone by surprise anymore, it was effectively countered by celtics and miami. who guess what.. used their bench to spell their top guys in order to keep em fresh to finish the knicks. mda never countered this, instead ran his top five to exhaustion and the cavs capitalized on being a tired team.

The Cavs game was a result of what took place against Miami- both mentally and physically.

Agree with the idea that our starters are going to wear out, but offensively, I have no problem with this team when guys are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

Paladin55 wrote:

cheers wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

cheers wrote:honestly i think the biggest hole is a stubborn coach.

I think there's an interesting D'Antoni phenomenon at work, that I think was there in Phoenix too, wherein the team over achieves because of the system, and then get's held accountable for not living up to the resultant over expectations.

A 16-12 record tells me the coach is doing okay. Fields, Timo, Turiaf, Gallo and Chandler in the starting lineup tells me the coach is okay playing bench guys if they perform.

The stated goal for this season is to make the playoffs. Getting significant minutes from AR is a luxury not a necessity for THIS season.

phoenix was a long time ago. mda system isnt taking anyone by surprise anymore, it was effectively countered by celtics and miami. who guess what.. used their bench to spell their top guys in order to keep em fresh to finish the knicks. mda never countered this, instead ran his top five to exhaustion and the cavs capitalized on [knicks] being a tired team.

At least in the case of Boston, I'm not sure you can say it was "countered."

The Cavs game was a result of what took place against Miami- both mentally and physically.

Agree with the idea that our starters are going to wear out, but offensively, I have no problem with this team when guys are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

celtics bench played: 72 minutes ~ knicks bench played: 31 minutes = celtics win.