Finestrg wrote:

martin wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Marv wrote:i actually don't blame mike on this one. i think the kid's a genuine head case. and he's pared the roster down to guys who are all playing the "right way." BUT . . . the kid has major league talent. mike may actually be protecting him from himslf right now. most likely he'd get put in a game, F up somehow, get yanked, and sit on the bench and cry. he's obviously soft in the head. so for him to have any chance of coming around here, mike may be drilling it into him in practice that you play this way of sit, and trying to get enough consistency form him that he doesn't set himself up for the big breakdown on the bench.

Wow.. I hold Mike 100% accountable..Head case? Really Marv? That's a little much, no? Dennis Rodman was a headcase bro and yet every coach he ever played for knew how to get the most out of him, right? I think AR's a good talented kid that the coach simply has no faith & trust in and no time for..Trust always goes both ways..How can you perform well, dare I say perform at top performance, in any job if your boss constantly overlooks you, passes you up & continually shows no trust in you?? Not many people would perform well under those contitions..I can see if Randolph actually earned that lack of trust -- I don't think he did..I've seen every game this team has played since forever -- I don't recall any shot or missed defensive assignment AR missed that was so blatant or so bad to warrant burying the guy on the bench. And he's been fine off the court..I mean WTF, players are gonna make mistakes..I say start showing some Goddamn trust in this kid and see where it leads..I could be off but from the chronology I remember, this kid had the 9 rebounds in the bad loss at the Bucks, managed to get in the game at Detroit, took one questionable shot (you mean to tell me guys like Gallo, even Amar'e & Ray dont take bad shots??), got yanked and hadn't returned until last night..I mean something's wrong with that man..How come Mike didn't build on that 9 reb performance @ Milwaukee?? Forget that Bucks game, how come he never started the process much earlier than that??? Like I said, MDA's 100% accountable here..If I knew he didn't have what it takes to help this team, I wouldn't be saying jack shyt..You don't hear me campaigning for Mason Jr. to get PT do ya??? This kid's different..The size and talent is there, right there sitting on the bench. And our coach hasn't done a damn thing to tap into it..Hey that's how I'll continue to see it until he either starts playing or is traded..He's a wild card/dark horse for this club if there ever was one.

you need to pay attention more closely. come on now.

The hell I do...This kid was never afforded the same leeway as other players we have. it's blatantly obvious..What's Gallo shooting on the season overall? 40% or damn close to it, right? How may bad shots has he taken?? Countless. Overall Gallo's been fine -- don't tell me about how he's gotten to the line or how good/aggressive he's looked the past 2 games, alright? Like I said, I've seen every game..This isn't about Gallo, it's about comparing the way our coach has decided to handle some young players very differently from others..TD -- look at this guy. He's looked abysmal at times, sometimes so bad to the point where Mike just looses it on him..Still in the rotation though, right? And probably will be even if we decide to get another backup PG to spell Felton somewhere along the way. Perhaps the best example to support what I'm saying is Mozgov -- guy comes over here from Russian out of nowhere having never played an NBA game in his life, shows a little promise early on in training camp and pre-season, gets the nod (actually started for this club in the beginning) and was given ample room to grow and mature into the role and work through mistakes. Thing is Moz showed time and time again that he's just not ready to play basketball on this level yet and finally had to sit..Point is he was given the opportunity though, right? This kid Randolph hasn't been given nearly that same kind of opportunity...You might want to pay attention a little more closely yourself.

Dude. Comparing Gallo and AR will win you no arguments. And I never compared them so I don't know where you are coming from.

TD is getting minutes cause Knicks have no other PG and MDA is kinda forced to use him, hurt though he may be. Would you suggest MDA not use TD and then what? Rautins?

Moz is averaging 10.6 minutes a game and plays C, a position the Knicks are thin. AR is averaging 8.6 minutes a game and plays PF/SF, a position that is covered by all the good players on the Knicks.

MDA has given players who perform well a chance. Like Williams. When he performs, he plays; when he does not, he doesn't get burn.

You sure you haven't seen 1 play where AR was bafflingly bad? Not 1?

martin wrote:Here's my take on the bench and current player rotations:

After a 3-8 start that included playing 10 guys, something had to change. Tightened rotations, changing lineup, SOMETHING.

You know what happed during the 3 game win streak against Sacramento, Golden State, LA Clippers? No AR, Moz moves to bench, Turiaf starts.

The Knicks reel off 5 wins in a row to get back to .500; BRILLIANT COACHING JOB BY MDA. OK, maybe not brilliant, but it proves out the correct move. Turiaf gets hurt at the end of the 5 game win streak and we lose to Atlanta.

And then Chandler gets inserted into lineup and the Knicks WIN 8 MORE IN A ROW. Turiaf plays only the last 4 of those games cause he is still hurt.

The last 3 games are against Denver, Boston, Miami. 2 of those teams are the best in the league (or at least top 4).

MDA and the Knicks need to get into the playoffs. It's hard to argue that Mike should have played it any differently after the 3-8 start.

Does he need to develop bench? YES. Has he done something wrong since the 3-8 start? Hard to argue with the outcome.

Do you really change your strategy dramatically after playing Boston (whom you almost beat and probably could have) and Miami? Not dramatically.

Does it behoove MDA and staff to give playing time to Moz and AR? Absolutely.

But not at the cost of too many wins. And you want to keep Chandlers and Gallo's values VERY high in case of trades. Can't mess with that either.

Here is one more thought. Instead of starting Moz at the beginning of the year and playing AR at all during the 3-8 streak, one could argue that if had started Turiaf and limited both of those 2 to near nothing, the Knicks would have been a LOT better off. Maybe they win 2-4 more.

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Here's my take on the bench and current player rotations:

After a 3-8 start that included playing 10 guys, something had to change. Tightened rotations, changing lineup, SOMETHING.

You know what happed during the 3 game win streak against Sacramento, Golden State, LA Clippers? No AR, Moz moves to bench, Turiaf starts.

The Knicks reel off 5 wins in a row to get back to .500; BRILLIANT COACHING JOB BY MDA. OK, maybe not brilliant, but it proves out the correct move. Turiaf gets hurt at the end of the 5 game win streak and we lose to Atlanta.

And then Chandler gets inserted into lineup and the Knicks WIN 8 MORE IN A ROW. Turiaf plays only the last 4 of those games cause he is still hurt.

The last 3 games are against Denver, Boston, Miami. 2 of those teams are the best in the league (or at least top 4).

MDA and the Knicks need to get into the playoffs. It's hard to argue that Mike should have played it any differently after the 3-8 start.

Does he need to develop bench? YES. Has he done something wrong since the 3-8 start? Hard to argue with the outcome.

Do you really change your strategy dramatically after playing Boston (whom you almost beat and probably could have) and Miami? Not dramatically.

Does it behoove MDA and staff to give playing time to Moz and AR? Absolutely.

But not at the cost of too many wins. And you want to keep Chandlers and Gallo's values VERY high in case of trades. Can't mess with that either.

Here is one more thought. Instead of starting Moz at the beginning of the year and playing AR at all during the 3-8 streak, one could argue that if had started Turiaf and limited both of those 2 to near nothing, the Knicks would have been a LOT better off. Maybe they win 2-4 more.

Turiaf should have been starting from the start of the season, i been saying that for a while... we had success after we went to the smaller lineup too, but Moz had no business at all starting for us, he was in way over his head... he should have been eased into the role off the bench.

AnubisADL wrote:He can play if we are up by 20.

or down by 20 like last night

CrushAlot wrote:ri·gid·i·ty (r-jd-t)
n.
1. The quality or state of stiffness or inflexibility. Also called rigor.
2. An aspect of the personality characterized by resistance to change.

I don't think anything is changing.

in-san-i-ty
n.

1. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results

AnubisADL wrote:He can play if we are up by 20.

Funny you should say that `cause even when we've had those 1st quarter leads, AR does not come in.

You sure you haven't seen 1 play where AR was bafflingly bad? Not 1?

I have. Last night one of his mates had to push him to guard the man at the top of the key as opposed to drifting down low to give a double team to the man without the ball His next offensive play saw him losing focus and dribble the ball of his leg. I did like that his one made shot was short hook in the paint. We've got to work with what we got.