martin wrote:

mrnyknicks wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:This constant coveting of Anthony is sickening. He ain't all that! So many of you can't see pass his scoring, and forget about his lack of D, lack of hustle, lack of graciousness. You say "When he gets to NY, he'll pick these skills up." Well I don't know about you, but I see a dog as a dog. If he was a dog on D in Denver, he's gonna be that same chuckin' dog in NY. Are you willing to make that mistake?

Wow, so listening to your theory you are saying the there is no chance that he will improve when he comes here?
I give you Mr. Raymond Felton as my example:

2010: 12.1 points, 5.6 assists, 1.5 steals, 76% free throw
2011: 18.7 points, 8.9 assists, 2.0 steals, 90% free throw

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18217#ixzz18Nwm2nNk

when you factor in pace what does the jump look like?

For Melo you are looking at 30+ppg, 7 rebs, 4 assists.

Bippity10 wrote:Has Carmelo ever been accused of not hustling?

He's been accused of not playing good man on man or team defense
He's been accussed of having to take 27 shots to score 30 points
he's been accused of going on a scoring spree's and really freezing out the rest of the team
He's been accused of being one of the best clutch players in the league..
He's been accused of being one of the best ISO players on the planet

He has never been accused of not hustling

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Has Carmelo ever been accused of not hustling?

He's been accused of not playing good man on man or team defense
He's been accussed of having to take 27 shots to score 30 points
he's been accused of going on a scoring spree's and really freezing out the rest of the team
He's been accused of being one of the best clutch players in the league..
He's been accused of being one of the best ISO players on the planet

He has never been accused of not hustling

Not sure if your post if pro or anti Carmelo, but whatever you said applies to Kobe as well.

I tell you what, if Carmelo played the same D Kobe did, I would make all of those proposed trades that I have been against in various threads in a millisecond.

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Has Carmelo ever been accused of not hustling?

He's been accused of not playing good man on man or team defense
He's been accussed of having to take 27 shots to score 30 points
he's been accused of going on a scoring spree's and really freezing out the rest of the team
He's been accused of being one of the best clutch players in the league..
He's been accused of being one of the best ISO players on the planet

He has never been accused of not hustling

Not sure if your post if pro or anti Carmelo, but whatever you said applies to Kobe as well.

I tell you what, if Carmelo played the same D Kobe did, I would make all of those proposed trades that I have been against in various threads in a millisecond.

If Melo played defense like those guys, or even if he rebounded like Marion used to, I'm with Martin. Give the Nuggets Fields, Gallo, Chandler and AR, because your basically looking at a Kobe/Amare/Felton type combo.

Melo isnt that. He's just a scorer. He can defend and does very well in spurts and when the matchups are good. He has some big rebounding games also, but he's not an impact player in either. His defense and rebounding doesnt change games. Neither does his playmaking.

Dudes and awesome player, but he's not a give up the ranch guy. Right now Felton/Fields/Gallo/Chandler/Amare is my ranch. I'm keeping them together and building up some depth

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Has Carmelo ever been accused of not hustling?

He's been accused of not playing good man on man or team defense
He's been accussed of having to take 27 shots to score 30 points
he's been accused of going on a scoring spree's and really freezing out the rest of the team
He's been accused of being one of the best clutch players in the league..
He's been accused of being one of the best ISO players on the planet

He has never been accused of not hustling

Not sure if your post if pro or anti Carmelo, but whatever you said applies to Kobe as well.

I tell you what, if Carmelo played the same D Kobe did, I would make all of those proposed trades that I have been against in various threads in a millisecond.

Again. You're asking for too much defense from an offensive minded team and coach. Carmelo doesn't make us a worse defensive team. We'll remain 22nd in the league in that department. And besides, the Knicks have been providing the defense their fans have been asking for.

I don't wanna be 22nd! LOL

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Has Carmelo ever been accused of not hustling?

He's been accused of not playing good man on man or team defense
He's been accussed of having to take 27 shots to score 30 points
he's been accused of going on a scoring spree's and really freezing out the rest of the team
He's been accused of being one of the best clutch players in the league..
He's been accused of being one of the best ISO players on the planet

He has never been accused of not hustling

Not sure if your post if pro or anti Carmelo, but whatever you said applies to Kobe as well.

I tell you what, if Carmelo played the same D Kobe did, I would make all of those proposed trades that I have been against in various threads in a millisecond.

Again. You're asking for too much defense from an offensive minded team and coach. Carmelo doesn't make us a worse defensive team. We'll remain 22nd in the league in that department. And besides, the Knicks have been providing the defense their fans have been asking for.

I don't wanna be 22nd! LOL

Well, would you like to advance into the 2nd round?

You are building a 2nd round team, I'm thinking about what it would take for Donnie to build Championship.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:That requires Carmelo. I said 2nd round because we're not going from where we are into the NBA finals right away.

Whither me this: How does acquiring Melo help the Knicks defense?

iSergio wrote:Come on! Carmelo Anthony is not Stephon Marbury! A lot of you get on me because I'm not a fan of Danilo Gallinari and post honestly and realistically about him but some of you are just plain haters when it comes to Melo!

agreed.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:That requires Carmelo. I said 2nd round because we're not going from where we are into the NBA finals right away.

Whither me this: How does acquiring Melo help the Knicks defense?

How does it not help their offense? How does it not take pressure off of Amar'e statistically and physically?

Adding a guy like Nene (who can make the 18-20 footer) helps takes pressure off of Amare both statistically and physically in more ways that Melo could.

It's also moves a guy like Chandler or Gallo to the bench, which strengthens that aspect of the Knicks, which in turn helps takes pressure off of Amare both statistically and physically.

It's also helps the defense, which is the Knicks' main weakness.

It moves Turiaf to the bench (in the scenario when he started), which also helps Knicks bench and defense.

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:That requires Carmelo. I said 2nd round because we're not going from where we are into the NBA finals right away.

Whither me this: How does acquiring Melo help the Knicks defense?

It takes pressure of Amar'e and Ray and allows them all to put forth more effort on defense.

Melo has had a lot of moments where he's looked more invested on defense - when Denver is doing well he takes it up a notch. I remember several huge blocks he had in the playoffs.

I think he'd look a lot more involved here.

and let's not overlook the fact that he is a great rebounder for his size. how many times does he put up 30pt 13reb games? I think he makes this team a lot better.