Moonangie wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

We would give up less and Anthony could say he won't go no place else but the Knicks. We could then sign him later.

Thats like some heavy super deep psychological mind phuch stuff you laying on us is over my head but my sense is the double meaning is there and it makes heavy logic if only the proper punctuation was there.

AKA: WTF you talking about?

Papabear Says

Here is what I mean. If Mello won't sign an extention with anyone we find a way to just sign him hoping that he will sign an extention later. That's what the Nets were thinking about doing. So were other teams.

He plays for the Nuggets. The only ways he plays here are:

1. We trade for him using some of our assets
2. We sign him as a FA next summer after July 1st

Why on earth would we trade for him using our core assets (e.g., Gallo, CHandler, expirings, picks) unless he signed the bloody extension with us?

Get yo head examined, son.

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Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't need my head examined. If we trade for him without an extension of course Denver gets much less from us. Why is that so hard to comprehend.

What you said didnt make sense because by trading for Carmelo we'd have his bird rights and we could sign him to an extension ourselves as soon as he became a Knick.

Denver isnt that stupid because they know Carmelo would resign with us anyway. There will be no rental.

Papabear wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

We would give up less and Anthony could say he won't go no place else but the Knicks. We could then sign him later.

Thats like some heavy super deep psychological mind phuch stuff you laying on us is over my head but my sense is the double meaning is there and it makes heavy logic if only the proper punctuation was there.

AKA: WTF you talking about?

Papabear Says

Here is what I mean. If Mello won't sign an extention with anyone we find a way to just sign him hoping that he will sign an extention later. That's what the Nets were thinking about doing. So were other teams.

He plays for the Nuggets. The only ways he plays here are:

1. We trade for him using some of our assets
2. We sign him as a FA next summer after July 1st

Why on earth would we trade for him using our core assets (e.g., Gallo, CHandler, expirings, picks) unless he signed the bloody extension with us?

Get yo head examined, son.

Papabear Says

I don't need my head examined. If we trade for him without an extension of course Denver gets much less from us. Why is that so hard to comprehend. Probably I should have used another word instead of rental. LOL My bad. I should have said maybe we should try to trade for him even if he refused to sign an extention but give up much less to Denver. Hey he say he want's to come here. We also thought LeCon was coming here. Maybe Carmelo is playing us like other players have done in the past just to get what they want. Don't be too sure that Carmelo really want to come here. We just may get played like we did before. I remember all of you were willing to give up your first born to bet LeCon was coming to New York. We gave up picks and everything and he made us look like fools.

Denver could careless if he signs the extension or not. They want something in return. There is no if signs the extension they want more if he doesn't they want less. For Denver it the other teams problem if he signs an extension or not. Denver just wants the most they can get regardless.

Papabear wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

We would give up less and Anthony could say he won't go no place else but the Knicks. We could then sign him later.

Thats like some heavy super deep psychological mind phuch stuff you laying on us is over my head but my sense is the double meaning is there and it makes heavy logic if only the proper punctuation was there.

AKA: WTF you talking about?

Papabear Says

Here is what I mean. If Mello won't sign an extention with anyone we find a way to just sign him hoping that he will sign an extention later. That's what the Nets were thinking about doing. So were other teams.

He plays for the Nuggets. The only ways he plays here are:

1. We trade for him using some of our assets
2. We sign him as a FA next summer after July 1st

Why on earth would we trade for him using our core assets (e.g., Gallo, CHandler, expirings, picks) unless he signed the bloody extension with us?

Get yo head examined, son.

Papabear Says

I don't need my head examined. If we trade for him without an extension of course Denver gets much less from us. Why is that so hard to comprehend. Probably I should have used another word instead of rental. LOL My bad. I should have said maybe we should try to trade for him even if he refused to sign an extention but give up much less to Denver. Hey he say he want's to come here. We also thought LeCon was coming here. Maybe Carmelo is playing us like other players have done in the past just to get what they want. Don't be too sure that Carmelo really want to come here. We just may get played like we did before. I remember all of you were willing to give up your first born to bet LeCon was coming to New York. We gave up picks and everything and he made us look like fools.

Denver could careless if he signs the extension or not. They want something in return. There is no if signs the extension they want more if he doesn't they want less. For Denver it the other teams problem if he signs an extension or not. Denver just wants the most they can get regardless.

Papabear Says

Well then let's just move the hell on and forget about the Carmelo deal because it don't make sense to give up 3 of our starting lineup players and 1st round picks. That's Crazy. Tell Denver to go to hell and let's just move on and get better. We are not going to win a Championship this year anyway. Forget Anthony and move on.

What you fail to see in the process is that Melo wants NY and that is scaring the other teams away from trading for him. That puts NY in a good place to make a reasonable deal or wait for the year end for FA. The right thing to do would be to make a trade and try and keep one of Chandler and Gallo. My personal preference is to keep Chandler. So they can resign him at year end using bird rights.

We should have signed Felton to 3 years.

the Larry Bird exception not the Larry Bird rule, but anyway here it is.

Perhaps the most well-known of the NBA's salary cap exceptions, it is so named because the Boston Celtics were the first team permitted to exceed the salary cap to re-sign one of their own players (in that case, Larry Bird). Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "qualifying veteran free agents" or "Bird Free Agents" in the CBA, and this exception falls under the auspices of the Veteran Free Agent exception. In a nutshell, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. Bird-exception contracts can be up to six years in length.

The basic idea is that a player must play for the same team for three seasons for his team to gain Bird rights (two seasons for Early Bird rights). It can be a single three-year contract, a series of three one-year contracts, or any combination that adds up to three seasons (two for Early Bird). However there are a number of complications:

When a player is traded, his new team inherits his Bird rights. For example, if a player signs a three-year contract, plays two and a half seasons with that team, and is traded at the trade deadline in the third season, then his new team owns full Bird rights following the third season.
The player must complete his contract immediately prior to becoming a free agent, which essentially means he can't have been waived. If he signs a series of contracts, then this only applies to the last contract. If a team signs a player and waives him after one game, signs and waives him after one game again the next year, and in the third year signs him and keeps him the entire season, then they will have full Bird rights following the third season.
The clock resets when the player changes teams by signing as a free agent. An interesting case occurred in the 2008-09 season with Antonio McDyess, who had played exclusively for the Pistons since the 2004-05 season. In 2008-09 the Pistons traded him to the Nuggets, the Nuggets waived him, and he re-signed with the Pistons. Even though he only signed contracts with the Pistons and he completed his last contract without being waived, his Bird clock reset when he re-signed with the Pistons because he changed teams as a free agent.
The first season of the three-year tenure doesn't have to be a full season. If a player is waived and signs with another team in year one, then plays with his new team for two additional seasons, his new team will have full Bird rights following the third season.
If a player is waived and is claimed by another team before he clears waivers, then it is treated as a trade and does not affect his Bird clock.
10-Day contracts don't count toward Bird rights.
If a team renounces a player, they can't use the Bird exception to re-sign him for one yea

BlueSeats wrote:Papa, that's relevant if you're under the cap and want to sign a FA from another team before signing your own (ie Bird/Felton). But the chances of us being under the cap in 2012, when Felton's contract expires, are slim. And once over the cap we can still re-sign him to an extension, if he/we so chooses.

If his contract were expiring this year, when we could be under the cap, that would be a problem, but unlikely for next year.

Papabear Says

BlueSeats: Give me your opinion how do we get Mello , re-sign Chandler (and how) and re-sign and keep Felton for the next 3 to 4 years and also have a strong bench with a real big C??