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umynot
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12/16/2010  12:42 PM
Camby would be a perfect fit!

He is a more durable Turiaf type

Better scorer to boot.....

Sign me up....

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12/16/2010  12:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/16/2010  12:45 PM
crzymdups wrote:
cheers wrote:
rp wrote:
cheers wrote:i read this thread, conclusion, PLAY AR.

btw last nite nate kinda carried the celtics on his back and really was the spark off the bench, and a great sub when rondo was hurt. where is the knicks spark off the bench? we have players i really want mda to start using them. tbh we could of used nate off the bench subbing for felton but we let him go.

AR can't handle KG getting 3/4 rebounds before put back.

it is a slightly fairer fight ar/kg than wil/kg. you almost gifting the rebounds to kg putting someone small in front of him.

wilson has 30-40 of muscle on AR at this point. AR is a string bean - he needs to bulk up.

wilson is doing an admirable job.

getting camby would be a godsend.

this is all stuff that won't shake out for two months as the Melo-drama plays out. once Melo is shipped, the Knicks will either have Melo and need to wait until the summer to find a big... or if Melo goes somewhere else, i would make a serious play for Camby and Rudy Fernandez.

yes but putting wil against kg is not cute. it may seem good cause wil doesnt complain and is mr-blue-collar-give-all. but its not a winning situation. i would rather just rotate bigs on kg and aggravate the hell out of him that way. including ar in that rotation.

wil could be (easily) in line for sixman of the season honors, but instead he is put in a situation he may relish but doesnt beat the celtics.

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12/16/2010  12:44 PM
what umynot said

Is Jerome Jordan ready yet?

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12/16/2010  12:46 PM
other alternatives. posted this an another thread in response to Anubis but it got lost in the shuffle:

Free Agent big men who could help the Knicks:

Marcus Camby
Tyson Chandler
Nene (has player option for next season)
Kenyon Martin
DeAndre Jordan (playing well now with Kaman out, check his past game)
Yao Ming (yuck but still a FA)
Fishlips (yuck also but still a FA)
Jeff Foster
Kris Humphries

Possible trade targets:

Birdman (maybe you add him to a Melo trade for instance)
Ben Wallace
Okafor (contract kinda sucks)
You can also scour for big men in Europe, South America, Asia, D League or use draft picks (unless we trade them all away for Melo as some have suggested) to get a big man.

Question for doubters:

Do you believe we need a big who can defend/rebound?

If you do..obviously it's not easy. Does that mean you just throw your hands up and say screw it?

Hopefully Donnie Walsh gets paid millions because he won't do that and he'll get creative: Free Agency. Trades. International. Draft.

If you don't think we need a big man, then I dunno what to say.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/16/2010  12:48 PM
cheers wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
cheers wrote:
rp wrote:
cheers wrote:i read this thread, conclusion, PLAY AR.

btw last nite nate kinda carried the celtics on his back and really was the spark off the bench, and a great sub when rondo was hurt. where is the knicks spark off the bench? we have players i really want mda to start using them. tbh we could of used nate off the bench subbing for felton but we let him go.

AR can't handle KG getting 3/4 rebounds before put back.

it is a slightly fairer fight ar/kg than wil/kg. you almost gifting the rebounds to kg putting someone small in front of him.

wilson has 30-40 of muscle on AR at this point. AR is a string bean - he needs to bulk up.

wilson is doing an admirable job.

getting camby would be a godsend.

this is all stuff that won't shake out for two months as the Melo-drama plays out. once Melo is shipped, the Knicks will either have Melo and need to wait until the summer to find a big... or if Melo goes somewhere else, i would make a serious play for Camby and Rudy Fernandez.

yes but putting wil against kg is not cute. it may seem good cause wil doesnt complain and is mr-blue-collar-give-all. but its not a winning situation. i would rather just rotate bigs on kg and aggravate the hell out of him that way. including ar in that rotation.

wil could be (easily) in line for sixman of the season honors, but instead he is put in a situation he may relish but doesnt beat the celtics.

Agreed with rotating bigs but that is what we need and don't have.

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12/16/2010  12:49 PM
Put Wilson back as 6th man now your bench goes back to being strong instead of a joke!!

Get a pass first back up PG ( Please please please get Rubio) or Mayo

Then I say take me to War


AR Walker TD Buki Curry Mason Picks and cash and get Camby and Rubio

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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12/16/2010  12:49 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:other alternatives. posted this an another thread in response to Anubis but it got lost in the shuffle:

Free Agent big men who could help the Knicks:

Marcus Camby
Tyson Chandler
Nene (has player option for next season)
Kenyon Martin
DeAndre Jordan (playing well now with Kaman out, check his past game)
Yao Ming (yuck but still a FA)
Fishlips (yuck also but still a FA)
Jeff Foster
Kris Humphries

Possible trade targets:

Birdman (maybe you add him to a Melo trade for instance)
Ben Wallace
Okafor (contract kinda sucks)
You can also scour for big men in Europe, South America, Asia, D League or use draft picks (unless we trade them all away for Melo as some have suggested) to get a big man.

Question for doubters:

Do you believe we need a big who can defend/rebound?

If you do..obviously it's not easy. Does that mean you just throw your hands up and say screw it?

Hopefully Donnie Walsh gets paid millions because he won't do that and he'll get creative: Free Agency. Trades. International. Draft.

If you don't think we need a big man, then I dunno what to say.

I prefer camby of all those players. Nene would be nice if we can trade for him.

"Failure is only postponed success as long as courage coaches ambition. The habit of persistence is the habit of victory" -Herbert Kaufman
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12/16/2010  12:54 PM
1) Camby
2) Nene
3) OK4
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12/16/2010  12:54 PM
Camby and Andre Miller for Curry, AR & perhaps TD. They get cap relief, youth. And we instantly fix our two biggest problems.

Camby starts, Chandler anchors the second unit with Miller, we win 50 games and make it to the ECF.

Yes, we lose out on Melo, but we're locked in for 2 years with these guys, and in the off season we can keep Chandler. We're capped, but still flexible to be able to make deals.

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12/16/2010  12:55 PM
rp wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:other alternatives. posted this an another thread in response to Anubis but it got lost in the shuffle:

Free Agent big men who could help the Knicks:

Marcus Camby
Tyson Chandler
Nene (has player option for next season)
Kenyon Martin
DeAndre Jordan (playing well now with Kaman out, check his past game)
Yao Ming (yuck but still a FA)
Fishlips (yuck also but still a FA)
Jeff Foster
Kris Humphries

Possible trade targets:

Birdman (maybe you add him to a Melo trade for instance)
Ben Wallace
Okafor (contract kinda sucks)
You can also scour for big men in Europe, South America, Asia, D League or use draft picks (unless we trade them all away for Melo as some have suggested) to get a big man.

Question for doubters:

Do you believe we need a big who can defend/rebound?

If you do..obviously it's not easy. Does that mean you just throw your hands up and say screw it?

Hopefully Donnie Walsh gets paid millions because he won't do that and he'll get creative: Free Agency. Trades. International. Draft.

If you don't think we need a big man, then I dunno what to say.

I prefer camby of all those players. Nene would be nice if we can trade for him.

Camby signed through 2011-2012, not sure how he made God's list.

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12/16/2010  12:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/16/2010  1:00 PM
martin wrote:
rp wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:other alternatives. posted this an another thread in response to Anubis but it got lost in the shuffle:

Free Agent big men who could help the Knicks:

Marcus Camby
Tyson Chandler
Nene (has player option for next season)
Kenyon Martin
DeAndre Jordan (playing well now with Kaman out, check his past game)
Yao Ming (yuck but still a FA)
Fishlips (yuck also but still a FA)
Jeff Foster
Kris Humphries

Possible trade targets:

Birdman (maybe you add him to a Melo trade for instance)
Ben Wallace
Okafor (contract kinda sucks)
You can also scour for big men in Europe, South America, Asia, D League or use draft picks (unless we trade them all away for Melo as some have suggested) to get a big man.

Question for doubters:

Do you believe we need a big who can defend/rebound?

If you do..obviously it's not easy. Does that mean you just throw your hands up and say screw it?

Hopefully Donnie Walsh gets paid millions because he won't do that and he'll get creative: Free Agency. Trades. International. Draft.

If you don't think we need a big man, then I dunno what to say.

I prefer camby of all those players. Nene would be nice if we can trade for him.

Camby signed through 2011-2012, not sure how he made God's list.

Ack I was using hoopshype's salary page. They don't update as often as they should for when people get extended.

Dang. That's a crusher. Portland hasn't been that easy for us to trade with. hopefully they realize they're screwed because their young duo of Oden and Roy are screwed and they start getting what they can for their vets like Miller and our old flame Cambyman.

Think they regret not taking Chandler for Rudy now?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/16/2010  1:00 PM
martin wrote:
rp wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:other alternatives. posted this an another thread in response to Anubis but it got lost in the shuffle:

Free Agent big men who could help the Knicks:

Marcus Camby
Tyson Chandler
Nene (has player option for next season)
Kenyon Martin
DeAndre Jordan (playing well now with Kaman out, check his past game)
Yao Ming (yuck but still a FA)
Fishlips (yuck also but still a FA)
Jeff Foster
Kris Humphries

Possible trade targets:

Birdman (maybe you add him to a Melo trade for instance)
Ben Wallace
Okafor (contract kinda sucks)
You can also scour for big men in Europe, South America, Asia, D League or use draft picks (unless we trade them all away for Melo as some have suggested) to get a big man.

Question for doubters:

Do you believe we need a big who can defend/rebound?

If you do..obviously it's not easy. Does that mean you just throw your hands up and say screw it?

Hopefully Donnie Walsh gets paid millions because he won't do that and he'll get creative: Free Agency. Trades. International. Draft.

If you don't think we need a big man, then I dunno what to say.

I prefer camby of all those players. Nene would be nice if we can trade for him.

Camby signed through 2011-2012, not sure how he made God's list.

I like Nene since draft day, if we can trade for him instead of melo that is a nice option to protect STAT lack of defense.

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12/16/2010  1:00 PM
misterearl wrote:what umynot said

Is Jerome Jordan ready yet?

Jerome Jordan--the guy shot like 75% from the field in all of his games combined. My gosh he is 7-1 250 why not bring him back and start him with 4-5 games in the D league with 40 a night and see where we are at.

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12/16/2010  1:06 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
misterearl wrote:what umynot said

Is Jerome Jordan ready yet?

Jerome Jordan--the guy shot like 75% from the field in all of his games combined. My gosh he is 7-1 250 why not bring him back and start him with 4-5 games in the D league with 40 a night and see where we are at.

http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=SRB&PlayerID=105287

I can't see the next JJ to be athletic enough to fit this system but he got size.

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12/16/2010  1:11 PM
I would rather signed Nene and a solid backup point guard and keep the team we have together. Giving everything to get Melo would be a mistake.

As for last night we played our asses off. But when Shaq and Perkins play the Knicks would get hammered inside. Camby isn't really going to prevent that and at 11mm next season that is too much money.

AR needs 10 minutes a night we need to see if he can bring anything. Eddy is our best option and that is scary.

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12/16/2010  1:13 PM
VDesai wrote:Camby would be great. Its his rebounding and defensive presence we need. I asked on another thread- what about Curry, Randolph and Walker for Camby, Fernandez and Mills? Saves Portland about $9-$10 mil next year and gives them a good prospect. Gives us a player we need (Camby), a player we cove (Rudy) and a player who may be able to spot Felton and fit this system (Mills).

Its tough for us if you think Randolph long term eventually is what Marcus Camby has been. But I think Camby is still playing a pretty high level and would make a solid impact over the next 2 seasons.

IMO Camby, even @ his age, would fit this system perfectly. He can be a defensive presence inside, grab boards and can shoot a decent J. We will need a player like him in order to get through some of the better teams. Right now, we allow more points than any team in the NBA and that has to stop if this team is going to compete against the elite of the NBA.

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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12/16/2010  2:57 PM
any1 hear that Pryzbilla Rumour from Newsday?

I've been told that the Knicks have looked into the availability of Joel Przybilla as the Trail Blazers appear ready to break up that injury-riddled team. The dream would be to land Marcus Camby for a decent price, but let's not get carried away.

think it's Alan Hahn who wrote that. take whatever you will from that.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/16/2010  3:00 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:any1 hear that Pryzbilla Rumour from Newsday?

I've been told that the Knicks have looked into the availability of Joel Przybilla as the Trail Blazers appear ready to break up that injury-riddled team. The dream would be to land Marcus Camby for a decent price, but let's not get carried away.

think it's Alan Hahn who wrote that. take whatever you will from that.


Pryz is a rugged rebounder and pretty strong shotblocker and defender. Not the most fleet of foot guy and is really bad offensively, but that would be an interesting addition.

The great thing about Turiaf is that even though he's not a good scorer, he's a well versed offensive player that passes the ball well out of the high post.

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12/16/2010  3:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/16/2010  3:09 PM
VDesai wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:any1 hear that Pryzbilla Rumour from Newsday?

I've been told that the Knicks have looked into the availability of Joel Przybilla as the Trail Blazers appear ready to break up that injury-riddled team. The dream would be to land Marcus Camby for a decent price, but let's not get carried away.

think it's Alan Hahn who wrote that. take whatever you will from that.


Pryz is a rugged rebounder and pretty strong shotblocker and defender. Not the most fleet of foot guy and is really bad offensively, but that would be an interesting addition.

The great thing about Turiaf is that even though he's not a good scorer, he's a well versed offensive player that passes the ball well out of the high post.

The thing with Turiaf is that he's not a great rebounder, and while he does a good job protecting the paint from guards and wing players, he can't protect the post against bigger and stronger players. ie. Turiaf is just as mismatched against the likes of Lopez, Bargnani, Nene, KG, etc. as Chandler/Amare have been. The only one who can really matchup with those bruisers on our team is Mozgov imo, but Mozgov just ends up picking up two quick fouls and goes right back to the bench never seeing anymore time.

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12/16/2010  4:44 PM
It's funny cause AR and Camby are so similar in many ways. Both are lanky as hell, both were injury prone early in their careers, both were traded to New York and were relegated to the bench. Only difference is Camby was 25 at the time while AR is only 21. Give the dude some time and see if he can put it all together. Raptors gave up on Camby too quick. Can you imagine if they had him on those teams with Vince and TMac? I'd hate to be saying the same thing about AR 5 years from now.
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