BigSm00th wrote:

iSergio wrote:Another reason we need Carmelo Anthony. We need a second legit scorer and Star to play with that second unit. We just lose too much when Amar'e Stoudemire needs a break. We don't have a second go-to-scorer.

LOL this game is precisely why we don't need carmelo. 4 knicks starters played over 40 minutes. we don't need a 2nd scorer -- thats ridiculous, one of the best defensive teams gave up the most points they have all season. that means our offense is good.

we got outrebounded by 4 and BOS didn't have shaq or JO. we need rebounding and depth at PG and 4/5. that's it. if denver wants to deal melo for gallinari and curry, fine, i'll do that deal. melo is better than gallo. but giving up anything beyond that -- no way! knicks have all the leverage and don't need scoring.

they need depth at point and up front, melo provides neither. moreover, trading 2 or even 3 rotation players to get carmelo makes the problem WORSE! knicks would struggle to win 40 games if they dealt fields/chandler + gallo for carmelo. as it stands, i think they win 43-47.

not for nothing, but that's a pretty ridiculous comment... how do u think the Knicks would struggle to win 40 games if u added Melo to Amare, Felton & either Fields or Wilson when Melo's been able to get his teams to 43 wins or more his entire career in a tougher WC w/o a stud bigman to play with no less?

TMS wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

iSergio wrote:Another reason we need Carmelo Anthony. We need a second legit scorer and Star to play with that second unit. We just lose too much when Amar'e Stoudemire needs a break. We don't have a second go-to-scorer.

LOL this game is precisely why we don't need carmelo. 4 knicks starters played over 40 minutes. we don't need a 2nd scorer -- thats ridiculous, one of the best defensive teams gave up the most points they have all season. that means our offense is good.

we got outrebounded by 4 and BOS didn't have shaq or JO. we need rebounding and depth at PG and 4/5. that's it. if denver wants to deal melo for gallinari and curry, fine, i'll do that deal. melo is better than gallo. but giving up anything beyond that -- no way! knicks have all the leverage and don't need scoring.

they need depth at point and up front, melo provides neither. moreover, trading 2 or even 3 rotation players to get carmelo makes the problem WORSE! knicks would struggle to win 40 games if they dealt fields/chandler + gallo for carmelo. as it stands, i think they win 43-47.

not for nothing, but that's a pretty ridiculous comment... how do u think the Knicks would struggle to win 40 games if u added Melo to Amare, Felton & either Fields or Wilson when Melo's been able to get his teams to 43 wins or more his entire career in a tougher WC w/o a stud bigman to play with no less?

Nene and Camby are/were on those Denver teams... they are better than any of our real centers by a mile.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Mike D'Antoni is a disgrace when it comes to utilizing his bench.

Don't blame the players. Just ask Suns fans.

I dont blame MDA at all. Listen if the bench guys could play--they would play. With this style of play you have to be able top keep the pedal to the floor efficiently for 48 minutes--we cant do that right now. Could we spot Mosgov--sure but hes not a 15 minute NBA player right now Turriaf has been so-so since his injury and i dont think hes talented enough against a team like Boston

we need help on this bench with proven players. For the right guys--I would give up any non starter including Douglas future picks cap space etc.. if the fit is right. The team is too good not to.

FistOfOakley wrote:nene and camby might not have been scorers but they helped out in almost every other category mainly on the glass and guarding the paint while contributing on offense with low volume high percentage shots.

they were really as good as complement to melo since they didn't need the ball offensively and hid his defensive shortcomings.

& u don't think Amare & Wilson have been doing a great job this year at blocking shots? are they the defenders that Camby was? no way... but Camby couldn't come close to bringing the offense that either Wilson or Amare could bring every single night... this is a silly discussion... if u really think adding Melo to this team we'd struggle to win 40 games, i think you're nuts.

TMS wrote:& u don't think Amare & Wilson have been doing a great job this year at blocking shots? are they the defenders that Camby was? no way... but Camby couldn't come close to bringing the offense that either Wilson or Amare could bring every single night... this is a silly discussion... if u really think adding Melo to this team we'd struggle to win 40 games, i think you're nuts.

i didn't say they haven't been. as far as blocking shots yes but there is more to defense than blocking shots. you can just look at what opposing frontcourts have been doing to us the whole season and what KG did to us in the 4th qtr tonight to see that we defensive shortcomings that those old denver teams probably would not have had. they may have had other defensive shortcomings but kg was not going to backdown nene and score 4 straight times down the court.

FistOfOakley wrote:

TMS wrote:& u don't think Amare & Wilson have been doing a great job this year at blocking shots? are they the defenders that Camby was? no way... but Camby couldn't come close to bringing the offense that either Wilson or Amare could bring every single night... this is a silly discussion... if u really think adding Melo to this team we'd struggle to win 40 games, i think you're nuts.

i didn't say they haven't been. as far as blocking shots yes but there is more to defense than blocking shots. you can just look at what opposing frontcourts have been doing to us the whole season and what KG did to us in the 4th qtr tonight to see that we defensive shortcomings that those old denver teams probably would not have had. they may have had other defensive shortcomings but kg was not going to backdown nene and score 4 straight times down the court.

TMS wrote:i think that was more a product of the team being gassed down the stretch than anything else... if u noticed, they pretty much contained KG for most of the night until the last few minutes... anyway, we're talking about a player that carried his team to a win over the Orlando Magic the other night while putting up 35 & 11 dude... adding him to our MVP Amare, Felton, Fields or Wilson, Turiaf & Douglas & we struggle to win 40 games? i don't see how that's an even reasonable projection considering Melo's history in the league & the level of talent we would have around him if we made the trade.

i think it was more of a product of KG getting fired up and not wanting his team to lose. he hangs out on the perimeter on a regular basis. he leads the league in taking 18-20 ft jumpers. there was a concerted effort to get him the ball downlow though and when they did they scored 90% of the time.

i don't necessarily think we'll win 40 games with melo but i don't think he would add a signficant amount of wins.

remember the AI deal? he was still an mvp level performer. but that denver team did not get to real contender status until he left. if there was a deal that was similar to what the knicks would be doing that would be it.

TMS wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

iSergio wrote:Another reason we need Carmelo Anthony. We need a second legit scorer and Star to play with that second unit. We just lose too much when Amar'e Stoudemire needs a break. We don't have a second go-to-scorer.

LOL this game is precisely why we don't need carmelo. 4 knicks starters played over 40 minutes. we don't need a 2nd scorer -- thats ridiculous, one of the best defensive teams gave up the most points they have all season. that means our offense is good.

we got outrebounded by 4 and BOS didn't have shaq or JO. we need rebounding and depth at PG and 4/5. that's it. if denver wants to deal melo for gallinari and curry, fine, i'll do that deal. melo is better than gallo. but giving up anything beyond that -- no way! knicks have all the leverage and don't need scoring.

they need depth at point and up front, melo provides neither. moreover, trading 2 or even 3 rotation players to get carmelo makes the problem WORSE! knicks would struggle to win 40 games if they dealt fields/chandler + gallo for carmelo. as it stands, i think they win 43-47.

not for nothing, but that's a pretty ridiculous comment... how do u think the Knicks would struggle to win 40 games if u added Melo to Amare, Felton & either Fields or Wilson when Melo's been able to get his teams to 43 wins or more his entire career in a tougher WC w/o a stud bigman to play with no less?

Our problem isn't scoring. Our problem is defense in the interior. We don't NEED Carmello and our secondary scorers are getting better and better by the minute and the more that happens, the less and less we will need Carmello. We need frontcourt help and another PG for the now and the future.

One reason the Knicks are in the market for a backup ballhandler is that Toney Douglas (five points, one assist) is continuing to play hurt, a source said. Douglas has been battling a sore back since November and now a chronic shoulder injury that he has played through.

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