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12/15/2010  10:21 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Lakers = Kobe/Gasol
Spurs = Duncan/Parker/Ginobili
Mavs = Dirk/Kidd
Celtics = KG/Pierce/Allen
Heat = Lebron/Wade (sorry, I can't put Bosh Spice on this list)

With this said, can Knicks fans really expect major strides with just Amar'e? No, you can't. I love Felton, but he's not that second star that we need. You add Felton with that second star, and we're golden.

Your point being carmelo?

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12/15/2010  10:22 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:This team continues to improve and has a chemistry that is surprising and exciting considering most of these guys are playing together for the first time this year. I don't know if it is possible to predict how improved they will be by the playoffs but they are improving daily. Melo would be a great addition but it is hard to imagine giving up some of the guys that I root for who are improving and are a part of a successful unit.

I feel you on giving up on players you root for but you have to give to get. I remember when we traded Strickland, I was in the dumps for months. Same with Starks, hated giving him up but we got a better player back in Spree....


I agree. Starks may have been my favorite player and I loved Cummings as well.
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12/15/2010  10:24 PM
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Lakers = Kobe/Gasol
Spurs = Duncan/Parker/Ginobili
Mavs = Dirk/Kidd
Celtics = KG/Pierce/Allen
Heat = Lebron/Wade (sorry, I can't put Bosh Spice on this list)

With this said, can Knicks fans really expect major strides with just Amar'e? No, you can't. I love Felton, but he's not that second star that we need. You add Felton with that second star, and we're golden.

Your point being carmelo?

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12/15/2010  10:26 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Lakers = Kobe/Gasol
Spurs = Duncan/Parker/Ginobili
Mavs = Dirk/Kidd
Celtics = KG/Pierce/Allen
Heat = Lebron/Wade (sorry, I can't put Bosh Spice on this list)

With this said, can Knicks fans really expect major strides with just Amar'e? No, you can't. I love Felton, but he's not that second star that we need. You add Felton with that second star, and we're golden.

Your point being carmelo?

Just wanted to be sure I am not a mind reader.

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12/15/2010  10:27 PM
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TMS wrote:lol... the team played great tonight & we almost took this one, but i mean how realistic is it to expect Amare & Ray to have the kinds of games they had tonight on a nightly basis for the rest of the year? w/the minutes they're playing they're gonna break down or slow down... if we can't add another go to scorer to take the pressure off Amare, then we need another defensive shotblocking big to defend the paint like Camby, since AR will never see the light of day off the bench.

that said, i wouldn't overpay to get Melo... Wilson & Gallo are both really good... if it takes much more than those guys to get Melo then i don't want Melo.

Galo and Wilson had 40 points and 15 rebounds--who repalces them--we dont have anyone to replace that--carmeko is better than both but not better than two or even in the same ballpark.. Gallo should play like he did in the first half then he wouldve had 30--we haev the scoring--we have no frikin bench its so patently obvious. we lose a game by two we shouldve won and we need melo--and were still small and thin thinner

ugh... again with this tired argument? before u consider that 40 & 15 from 2 players combined you have to also take into account the minutes played to achieve those stats... it's moronic to use that as some kind of measuring stick against targetting any single player... it's a flawed argument

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12/15/2010  10:29 PM
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TMS wrote:lol... the team played great tonight & we almost took this one, but i mean how realistic is it to expect Amare & Ray to have the kinds of games they had tonight on a nightly basis for the rest of the year? w/the minutes they're playing they're gonna break down or slow down... if we can't add another go to scorer to take the pressure off Amare, then we need another defensive shotblocking big to defend the paint like Camby, since AR will never see the light of day off the bench.

that said, i wouldn't overpay to get Melo... Wilson & Gallo are both really good... if it takes much more than those guys to get Melo then i don't want Melo.

Galo and Wilson had 40 points and 15 rebounds--who repalces them--we dont have anyone to replace that--carmeko is better than both but not better than two or even in the same ballpark.. Gallo should play like he did in the first half then he wouldve had 30--we haev the scoring--we have no frikin bench its so patently obvious. we lose a game by two we shouldve won and we need melo--and were still small and thin thinner

ugh... again with this tired argument? before u consider that 40 & 15 from 2 players combined you have to also take into account the minutes played to achieve those stats... it's moronic to use that as some kind of measuring stick against targetting any single player... it's a flawed argument

Just wanted to make sure, you saying we need to add big man or what?

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12/15/2010  10:29 PM
rp wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:lol... the team played great tonight & we almost took this one, but i mean how realistic is it to expect Amare & Ray to have the kinds of games they had tonight on a nightly basis for the rest of the year? w/the minutes they're playing they're gonna break down or slow down... if we can't add another go to scorer to take the pressure off Amare, then we need another defensive shotblocking big to defend the paint like Camby, since AR will never see the light of day off the bench.

that said, i wouldn't overpay to get Melo... Wilson & Gallo are both really good... if it takes much more than those guys to get Melo then i don't want Melo.

Galo and Wilson had 40 points and 15 rebounds--who repalces them--we dont have anyone to replace that--carmeko is better than both but not better than two or even in the same ballpark.. Gallo should play like he did in the first half then he wouldve had 30--we haev the scoring--we have no frikin bench its so patently obvious. we lose a game by two we shouldve won and we need melo--and were still small and thin thinner

ugh... again with this tired argument? before u consider that 40 & 15 from 2 players combined you have to also take into account the minutes played to achieve those stats... it's moronic to use that as some kind of measuring stick against targetting any single player... it's a flawed argument

Just wanted to make sure, you saying we need to add big man or what?

LOL. You really like to make sure of things eh?

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12/15/2010  10:30 PM
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rp wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:lol... the team played great tonight & we almost took this one, but i mean how realistic is it to expect Amare & Ray to have the kinds of games they had tonight on a nightly basis for the rest of the year? w/the minutes they're playing they're gonna break down or slow down... if we can't add another go to scorer to take the pressure off Amare, then we need another defensive shotblocking big to defend the paint like Camby, since AR will never see the light of day off the bench.

that said, i wouldn't overpay to get Melo... Wilson & Gallo are both really good... if it takes much more than those guys to get Melo then i don't want Melo.

Galo and Wilson had 40 points and 15 rebounds--who repalces them--we dont have anyone to replace that--carmeko is better than both but not better than two or even in the same ballpark.. Gallo should play like he did in the first half then he wouldve had 30--we haev the scoring--we have no frikin bench its so patently obvious. we lose a game by two we shouldve won and we need melo--and were still small and thin thinner

ugh... again with this tired argument? before u consider that 40 & 15 from 2 players combined you have to also take into account the minutes played to achieve those stats... it's moronic to use that as some kind of measuring stick against targetting any single player... it's a flawed argument

Just wanted to make sure, you saying we need to add big man or what?

LOL. You really like to make sure of things eh?

Like I told you on other thread, I am not a mind reader.

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12/15/2010  10:30 PM
rp wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:lol... the team played great tonight & we almost took this one, but i mean how realistic is it to expect Amare & Ray to have the kinds of games they had tonight on a nightly basis for the rest of the year? w/the minutes they're playing they're gonna break down or slow down... if we can't add another go to scorer to take the pressure off Amare, then we need another defensive shotblocking big to defend the paint like Camby, since AR will never see the light of day off the bench.

that said, i wouldn't overpay to get Melo... Wilson & Gallo are both really good... if it takes much more than those guys to get Melo then i don't want Melo.

Galo and Wilson had 40 points and 15 rebounds--who repalces them--we dont have anyone to replace that--carmeko is better than both but not better than two or even in the same ballpark.. Gallo should play like he did in the first half then he wouldve had 30--we haev the scoring--we have no frikin bench its so patently obvious. we lose a game by two we shouldve won and we need melo--and were still small and thin thinner

ugh... again with this tired argument? before u consider that 40 & 15 from 2 players combined you have to also take into account the minutes played to achieve those stats... it's moronic to use that as some kind of measuring stick against targetting any single player... it's a flawed argument

Just wanted to make sure, you saying we need to add big man or what?

i think this team could clearly use another bigman off the bench, but i don't necessarily think we need a star bigman... just a defensive minded role player should suffice to give us some depth off the bench... i think Melo would add infinitely more to this team than some role player would, & if we're going to trade assets to get anyone right now, i think we shoot for the star player first & worry about the role players later.

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12/15/2010  10:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2010  10:37 PM
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cheers wrote:this was mda's game to prove his system can beat the best. what this game proved-- if amar'e is not in the game, the players you and i love look quite normal. when amar'e is in the game the same players look like rockstars. im back in the get melo camp.. im home tms! sry i spent that time with fishmike, he's so damn convincing. lol. but right now as of 9:58pm i would overpay in talent to get melo.

Oh yeah lets trade away Gallo Chandler and Fields for one guy--and then we still are small and
thin what t f would melo do in this game(we scored 116)--i like melo but our needs are a second big man who can score and maybe give some interior toughness/presence a legit 6th man and back up PG--we have no bench--that was a disastrous loss caused by a lack of bench---we tired out and they put runs on us when we had our second unit in there for even a few minutes.

I'd rather have Nene at this point. Gallo is there. All he needs is a go-to move which I think he'll develop in the next offseason. He's played well in both of our big games this week which hopefully will boost his confidence and make him work that much harder at being more consistent. One more big man and then Wilson can help solidify our bench (at least somewhat, we'd still need a backup pg).I like where this team is headed. I trust Walsh to make the smart move.

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12/15/2010  10:34 PM
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rp wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:lol... the team played great tonight & we almost took this one, but i mean how realistic is it to expect Amare & Ray to have the kinds of games they had tonight on a nightly basis for the rest of the year? w/the minutes they're playing they're gonna break down or slow down... if we can't add another go to scorer to take the pressure off Amare, then we need another defensive shotblocking big to defend the paint like Camby, since AR will never see the light of day off the bench.

that said, i wouldn't overpay to get Melo... Wilson & Gallo are both really good... if it takes much more than those guys to get Melo then i don't want Melo.

Galo and Wilson had 40 points and 15 rebounds--who repalces them--we dont have anyone to replace that--carmeko is better than both but not better than two or even in the same ballpark.. Gallo should play like he did in the first half then he wouldve had 30--we haev the scoring--we have no frikin bench its so patently obvious. we lose a game by two we shouldve won and we need melo--and were still small and thin thinner

ugh... again with this tired argument? before u consider that 40 & 15 from 2 players combined you have to also take into account the minutes played to achieve those stats... it's moronic to use that as some kind of measuring stick against targetting any single player... it's a flawed argument

Just wanted to make sure, you saying we need to add big man or what?

i think this team could clearly use another bigman off the bench, but i don't necessarily think we need a star bigman... just a defensive minded role player should suffice to give us some depth off the bench... i think Melo would add infinitely more to this team than some role player would, & if we're going to trade assets to get anyone right now, i think we shoot for the star player first & worry about the role players later.

Good points. I am glad I am not the GM a lot of tough decision. He gets paid the big bucks let us hope he brings some enhancements.

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12/15/2010  10:37 PM
Garnett beasted on us in the 4th quarter. He played excellent defense on Amare and was the only one who could.

On the other side, we didn't have good defensive answers to KG either.

Not sure what the answer is... Melo would be good to have as another option on offense, but we'd still be deficient on defense in the low post when the Celtics have the ball.

A max player should cause a mismatch on both sides of the floor. KG did that to us tonight.

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12/15/2010  10:56 PM
rp wrote:
TMS wrote:
rp wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:lol... the team played great tonight & we almost took this one, but i mean how realistic is it to expect Amare & Ray to have the kinds of games they had tonight on a nightly basis for the rest of the year? w/the minutes they're playing they're gonna break down or slow down... if we can't add another go to scorer to take the pressure off Amare, then we need another defensive shotblocking big to defend the paint like Camby, since AR will never see the light of day off the bench.

that said, i wouldn't overpay to get Melo... Wilson & Gallo are both really good... if it takes much more than those guys to get Melo then i don't want Melo.

Galo and Wilson had 40 points and 15 rebounds--who repalces them--we dont have anyone to replace that--carmeko is better than both but not better than two or even in the same ballpark.. Gallo should play like he did in the first half then he wouldve had 30--we haev the scoring--we have no frikin bench its so patently obvious. we lose a game by two we shouldve won and we need melo--and were still small and thin thinner

ugh... again with this tired argument? before u consider that 40 & 15 from 2 players combined you have to also take into account the minutes played to achieve those stats... it's moronic to use that as some kind of measuring stick against targetting any single player... it's a flawed argument

Just wanted to make sure, you saying we need to add big man or what?

i think this team could clearly use another bigman off the bench, but i don't necessarily think we need a star bigman... just a defensive minded role player should suffice to give us some depth off the bench... i think Melo would add infinitely more to this team than some role player would, & if we're going to trade assets to get anyone right now, i think we shoot for the star player first & worry about the role players later.

Good points. I am glad I am not the GM a lot of tough decision. He gets paid the big bucks let us hope he brings some enhancements.

what kills me is i already feel we have the guy that can easily fill that role off the bench on our roster already, but he's just not getting it for some reason.

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12/15/2010  11:11 PM
TMS wrote:what kills me is i already feel we have the guy that can easily fill that role off the bench on our roster already, but he's just not getting it for some reason.

We need to build up AR and Mosgov's confidence... we could have used their size this game for sure. D'Antoni is trying to win every game at the cost of developing our players. It's a tough choice for sure. Wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

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12/15/2010  11:14 PM
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TMS wrote:what kills me is i already feel we have the guy that can easily fill that role off the bench on our roster already, but he's just not getting it for some reason.

We need to build up AR and Mosgov's confidence... we could have used their size this game for sure. D'Antoni is trying to win every game at the cost of developing our players. It's a tough choice for sure. Wouldn't want to be in his shoes.


You don't develop players in games like this. If a player isn't ready they'll wilt in big games like this. We couldn't get AR or Timo to play well against the scrub teams, what makes you think they'd have an epiphany in a huge game against the best team in the East?
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knickstorrents wrote:
TMS wrote:what kills me is i already feel we have the guy that can easily fill that role off the bench on our roster already, but he's just not getting it for some reason.

We need to build up AR and Mosgov's confidence... we could have used their size this game for sure. D'Antoni is trying to win every game at the cost of developing our players. It's a tough choice for sure. Wouldn't want to be in his shoes.


You don't develop players in games like this. If a player isn't ready they'll wilt in big games like this. We couldn't get AR or Timo to play well against the scrub teams, what makes you think they'd have an epiphany in a huge game against the best team in the East?

regardless of how MDA does it, he needs to figure out some way to get those guys into the rotation... if it takes threatening AR with bodily harm to do it or whatever other motivational technique is required... AR is way too talented a player to let waste away on the bench... we need to get that kid right & into the rotation somehow, some way.

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TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
TMS wrote:what kills me is i already feel we have the guy that can easily fill that role off the bench on our roster already, but he's just not getting it for some reason.

We need to build up AR and Mosgov's confidence... we could have used their size this game for sure. D'Antoni is trying to win every game at the cost of developing our players. It's a tough choice for sure. Wouldn't want to be in his shoes.


You don't develop players in games like this. If a player isn't ready they'll wilt in big games like this. We couldn't get AR or Timo to play well against the scrub teams, what makes you think they'd have an epiphany in a huge game against the best team in the East?

regardless of how MDA does it, he needs to figure out some way to get those guys into the rotation... if it takes threatening AR with bodily harm to do it or whatever other motivational technique is required... AR is way too talented a player to let waste away on the bench... we need to get that kid right & into the rotation somehow, some way.

Turiaf has been mostly ineffective since coming back from his injury. I think now would be a good time to test AR and see if he can give us something. If you notice Turiaf hasn't been staying on the court as much lately. Unless Donnie makes a deal soon, AR is the only guy we've got that actually has the talent to fill the role we need. MAN I HOPE HE'S GETTING BETTER!

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12/15/2010  11:48 PM
AR is going to get another opportunity some time soon. This is just a staggering pace with the starters minutes that i don't think even d'antoni can keep up. i'm sure they'll be some blowouts during this stretch to see what he can do in low leverage low pressure situations.

and it's real tough to avoid injuries throughout the season. aside from felton and stat we have guys who can play some minutes if needed if they go down.

let's just hope that those two can last because it's a FAAAAAAR drop from them.

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12/16/2010  9:54 AM
is mda really about team wins if so the team would have won yesterday.

mda is stuck on playing five players heavy minutes.

last nite game-- 4 DNPs + 2 inactive players: zero minutes. 3 bench players a combined: 30 minutes.

that makes nine players mda is under utilizing or not using at all, this is team ball

pivotal game for mda

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