From what Don Nelson said previously, this is the same argument he had with AR. Both coaches wanted him to forget about his offense and primarily supply rebounding and interior defense for the Knicks. Randolph has this vision of himself being a complete player, and last year he wasn't willing to play a limited role, and stop doing what he thought he could do on offense. Mike, too, is telling him that if he wants to get on the court, he needs to be willing to become a defensive role player first. Is Randolph going to come to his senses, or is he going to sit on the bench and stew. Its seems a battle of wills between a coach who doesn't want to waste offensive possessions on Randolph, and Randolph who doesn't want to accept limitations on how he can play on the court. (Why should I only be allowed to show them half of my game?)

If Turiaf's minutes decline again due to injury, which actually seems likely, I would think that Mosgov and Randolph will both get a chance to see who best fills the role of rebounding and interior defense. I personally am concerned about Mosgov, a 7 1 player, because of his seeming inability to get his share of rebounds. He doesn't seem to have the talent of reading the ball off the backboard very well so far. I think AR has a good chance of winning the competition to supply interior defense and rebounding for the Knicks. Providing is willing to shelve his dream of becoming a complete NBA superstar the next time he gets on the court, I see AR being a good fit as a defensively inclined power forward, paired with Amare at center.

rvwink wrote:Nice post Paladin,

From what Don Nelson said previously, this is the same argument he had with AR. Both coaches wanted him to forget about his offense and primarily supply rebounding and interior defense for the Knicks. Randolph has this vision of himself being a complete player, and last year he wasn't willing to play a limited role, and stop doing what he thought he could do on offense. Mike, too, is telling him that if he wants to get on the court, he needs to be willing to become a defensive role player first. Is Randolph going to come to his senses, or is he going to sit on the bench and stew. Its seems a battle of wills between a coach who doesn't want to waste offensive possessions on Randolph, and Randolph who doesn't want to accept limitations on how he can play on the court. (Why should I only be allowed to show them half of my game?)

If Turiaf's minutes decline again due to injury, which actually seems likely, I would think that Mosgov and Randolph will both get a chance to see who best fills the role of rebounding and interior defense. I personally am concerned about Mosgov, a 7 1 player, because of his seeming inability to get his share of rebounds. He doesn't seem to have the talent of reading the ball off the backboard very well so far. I think AR has a good chance of winning the competition to supply interior defense and rebounding for the Knicks. Providing is willing to shelve his dream of becoming a complete NBA superstar the next time he gets on the court, I see AR being a good fit as a defensively inclined power forward, paired with Amare at center.

I think we have a very good team. I am firmly against bringing in Carmelo unless the Ngggets were willing to accept a package of AR Mosgov and some future picks. Im willing to give anyone this package with Currys ending contract for a team who wants to shed long term salary for the right player. Im not willing to trade anyone in the SL. If U did get Melo--I could simply move Gallo or Chandler back into the bench--and then we are still short a big guy. Im a little worried about Amares comments--no faster way to crash and burn then if he gets hurt--no transaction will fix that. I hope Knicks management is looking at this team in a different light with new advanced goals and acts accordingly./

technomaster wrote:- I have a hard time believing that a healthy Eddy Curry couldn't contribute more than Mozgov!

I have a remarkably easy time believing that.

AnubisADL wrote:

Anthony Randolph seems frustrated at being out of Mike D'Antoni's rotation.

"I have no choice. I have to deal with it," Randolph said.

Asked if he is confident that he will get another opportunity to prove himself to the coach, Randolph said "No."

D'Antoni expressed the opposite point of view.

"I'd be very surprised, it's a long year, if things don't come around where you get a heck of a chance," D'Antoni said.

Source: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70512/20101210/randolph_frustrated_in_new_york/

Right on time with our tough schedule.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, clearly by D'Antoni's comment that Randolph will get the Jordan Hill treatment for the foreseeable future.

He's not ready. Big difference from the doghouse. Like Bip said... try reading what MDA said

This is about a negotiation that is going on between D'Antoni and Randolph. D'Antoni says I want you to rebound and play defense primarily. If you have am open shot 10 feet from the basket, shoot it. But I don't want you shooting 3 point shots or even 20 foot from the basket shots.

Randolph thinks to himself: "I am great basketball player. Everyone says I am extremely talented. I want to show the world what I can do on the basketball court. It would be a waste of my talents, to only play defense, and rebound.

While Randolph has this mindset, all D'Antoni can do is sit Randolph on the bench. Every couple of weeks he gets to play 7 minutes. If he shoots from the outside, he sits again for 2 weeks.

What does this have to do with playing favorites?

nixluva wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni plays favorites plain and simple. If he wanted to he could find 10-15 minutes a game for Randolph.

You know how a player gets to be a coach's favorite? Doing the right things on the court most of the time. case in point is Fields. This kid gained the trust of the Coach and is starting as a rookie. All this crap about Mike and his doghouse is stupid. He needs to extend his rotation, but can't due to the poor play of the guys he has on the bench. He wanted to play AR, but he stunk up the joint. He wanted to play Mason. I think at some point we have to recognize that this isn't about petty crap, but wins and losses. We've been winning almost every game for the last 13 games!!! That is in direct correlation to Mike shortening his rotation to the guys he feels give us the best chance to win.

Turiaf and Timo have seen their minutes cut cuz they haven't been playing as well. Now if AR presented a much better option this would be the perfect time to get him in there. We'll see what happens for the rest of the year. AR just needs to stay ready and keep working on the things the staff is trying to teach him. He'll get his chance, just like Shane did.

Fact is most guys need minutes and a chance to make mistakes. You cant play a guy 5 minutes one night then make him collect DNP-CD's for 10 games and give him another 5 minutes. You're better off giving him minutes on the nightly based on play in that specific game. We are talking 5-10 minutes here.

This is the one thing Isiah Thomas understood. You need to build young guys confidence not break them.

CrushAlot wrote:If you didn't know he was in the dog house before now my guess is you missed or forgot about all of last season. If you didn't notice he was the designated young guy to get screamed at when things weren't going well you haven't been watching. This is just more of the same in terms of the treatment of young talented guys that need coaching. Walsh was smart to draft older four year seniors this year. He knows D'Antoni will not give the time or put in the effort to develop young players who don't already have a high level of maturity to their game.

I don't understand this statement. Are you suggesting to us that MDA is not putting in the time to develop AR? What are you seeing during practice and before games to know this?

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:If you didn't know he was in the dog house before now my guess is you missed or forgot about all of last season. If you didn't notice he was the designated young guy to get screamed at when things weren't going well you haven't been watching. This is just more of the same in terms of the treatment of young talented guys that need coaching. Walsh was smart to draft older four year seniors this year. He knows D'Antoni will not give the time or put in the effort to develop young players who don't already have a high level of maturity to their game.

I don't understand this statement. Are you suggesting to us that MDA is not putting in the time to develop AR? What are you seeing during practice and before games to know this?

I don't know about you but I am not able to see practice and would love to watch videos if you have access to them. I am suggesting that he isn't putting in the time to develop Randolph and I am suggesting that he has been in the dog house almost from day 1. You can go back and I am sure you could find where I wrote this. I am making my judgements based on what I have seen this year, and what I saw and observed last year with the two first round picks on the 29 win team.

what have you seen this year from AR to suggest that he should get playing time? Also consider the fact that the Knicks are now winning and need the wins to make playoffs.

I have seen a player who has pretty much sucked and not known where to be. He also plays PF/SF, positions that the Knicks have in triplicate and who have all deserved playing time: Gallo, Amare, Wil, Williams, Turiaf.

This is a man that has gone to the WCF's 2x and had some amazing playoff runs get cut short by strange circumstances or losing to great teams. He's about winning. When you're winning 60 games you aren't thinking about petty crap. You're only thinking about winning. If Mike plays AR it's gonna be cuz he thinks he can help the team win and if he doesn't play him it's cuz he doesn't think he can help. PERIOD!!!