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Do we need Melo? Yes or No!
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gr33d
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12/11/2010  11:45 AM
rvwink wrote:" The only thing he adds is that crunchtime closer role. "

I could have sworn that we already have someone who is excellent in that role. How many crunchtime closers do we need anyway?

We'll see what this next stretch of games brings.

Amare has been a beast; but it's unfair to expect that kind of point production, minutes and impact for 82 + playoffs. Dude's gonna need some help, if we plan on continuing this roll.

Chemistry will be impacted... But we're barely pulling out wins against trash teams, with Amare having to put up 30-10 just to squeeze them out. This team is based on offense, adding a top 3-5 "scorer" makes us that much more dangerous.

This team is lottery bound, should Amare have to sit for any extended stretch. Yeah, yeah so are a bunch of other teams. But I don't want to be like those teams; let's have a second weapon capable of carrying this team. If Donnie can pull this while not giving up the farm, I'm 110% behind it.

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12/11/2010  12:35 PM
gr33d wrote:This team is lottery bound, should Amare have to sit for any extended stretch. Yeah, yeah so are a bunch of other teams. But I don't want to be like those teams; let's have a second weapon capable of carrying this team. If Donnie can pull this while not giving up the farm, I'm 110% behind it.

I understand your arguement. Everyone wants to have that hammer. But ask yourself, what's left on the farm after I bring in 'Melo? Also, who's coming to play with him 'cause the milk has run dry?

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12/11/2010  12:41 PM
gr33d wrote:
rvwink wrote:" The only thing he adds is that crunchtime closer role. "

I could have sworn that we already have someone who is excellent in that role. How many crunchtime closers do we need anyway?

We'll see what this next stretch of games brings.

Amare has been a beast; but it's unfair to expect that kind of point production, minutes and impact for 82 + playoffs. Dude's gonna need some help, if we plan on continuing this roll.

Chemistry will be impacted... But we're barely pulling out wins against trash teams, with Amare having to put up 30-10 just to squeeze them out. This team is based on offense, adding a top 3-5 "scorer" makes us that much more dangerous.

This team is lottery bound, should Amare have to sit for any extended stretch. Yeah, yeah so are a bunch of other teams. But I don't want to be like those teams; let's have a second weapon capable of carrying this team. If Donnie can pull this while not giving up the farm, I'm 110% behind it.

gr33d, i agree w/u 100%... Amare has been a BEAST, but how long can he continue to score 30+ every game to carry this team on his back? sooner or later, he's gonna start to slow down, especially when we start to play the better teams in the NBA... we need to start thinking about matching up with the top teams if we ever want to consider ourselves a serious contender in the NBA.

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12/11/2010  1:21 PM
Vmart wrote:I would take Melo on the Knicks over Gallo every day of the week.
never been the question. Would you take Melo over Chandler, Gallo and Fields? Probably AR also?

If Denver would take Gallo for Melo it would have happened already

come back from

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12/11/2010  1:47 PM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:I would take Melo on the Knicks over Gallo every day of the week.
never been the question. Would you take Melo over Chandler, Gallo and Fields? Probably AR also?

If Denver would take Gallo for Melo it would have happened already

come back from

Fish once again the thread is about comparing Melo with Gallo. Hence the answer I would take Melo over Gallo. All I got to say to is take it easy, please I know what fantasy is and what reality is. I know it will take more to get Melo but the thread isn't about getting Melo it is comparing Melo with Gallo. Even your on record for wanting Melo on the Knicks.

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12/11/2010  2:20 PM
Vmart wrote:Fish once again the thread is about comparing Melo with Gallo. Hence the answer I would take Melo over Gallo. All I got to say to is take it easy, please I know what fantasy is and what reality is. I know it will take more to get Melo but the thread isn't about getting Melo it is comparing Melo with Gallo. Even your on record for wanting Melo on the Knicks.

its not man... the thread is DO WE NEED MELO.

I have stated many times many way (christmas bells...) that we really dont need him.

Would I like to get and welcome a 3x all star in his prime for pennies on the dollar? Phuck yea man. Is Melo better than Gallo? Cmon man... of course.

I will beat the dead horse again, but I really believe in our young wing players, especially when you look at them as a group. The going rate for Melo based on the Nets deal, etc would be 2 starters and some combo of picks/prospects.

The Melo package STARTS with Gallo and Fields, and then moves on to using Douglas, Mosgov, Chandler and AR to get picks from other teams for a Denver trade.

Its just too much for me and for this team, which sports one of the best and most efficient offenses in the league.

If this was 20 years ago I would trade Gallo/Chandler/Fields and AR in a NY heartbeat to put Melo next to Ewing for a decade. This team and this era are different. You can win in this league with one stud and great depth as we have.

Thats just how I feel.

I do rag on guys who make this about Gallo vs. Melo. It never has been (for me) and never will be. Gallo is really good, and I think he gets better, but one of one its not even a discussion.

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12/11/2010  2:43 PM
I tell you for what we have and the cost--Id prefer OJ Mayo to Carmelo by 1000 miles. OJ Mayo can be our 6th man this year and player for 10 years
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12/11/2010  3:19 PM
"Mayo managed just six points on 1-of-4 shooting, three rebounds, one steal and no assists in Wednesday's overtime win over Phoenix.

Spin: Owning Mayo is simply disastrous right now, as he's barely playing 20 minutes per game and is averaging just 5.6 points and 1.0 assists over his last five games. He's simply a dead spot in your starting lineup right now and is best left on the bench until he's able to turn things around."

Briggs can you explain why his level of play has dropped down so dramatically?

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12/11/2010  3:23 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I tell you for what we have and the cost--Id prefer OJ Mayo to Carmelo by 1000 miles. OJ Mayo can be our 6th man this year and player for 10 years

Now you are just hating on melo.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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12/11/2010  3:33 PM
rvwink wrote:"Mayo managed just six points on 1-of-4 shooting, three rebounds, one steal and no assists in Wednesday's overtime win over Phoenix.

Spin: Owning Mayo is simply disastrous right now, as he's barely playing 20 minutes per game and is averaging just 5.6 points and 1.0 assists over his last five games. He's simply a dead spot in your starting lineup right now and is best left on the bench until he's able to turn things around."

Briggs can you explain why his level of play has dropped down so dramatically?

I think with OJ Mayo you have two full years of body of work where he avg close to 20 points and 45% shooting in 38 minutes per. In this offense hell have more spacing then he has now with randolph and gasol in the post and a PG who has upped his FGA 33% in the last 2 years. Almost every player has a period where he slumps in every sport. Its a no brainer

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12/11/2010  3:37 PM
babyKnicks wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I tell you for what we have and the cost--Id prefer OJ Mayo to Carmelo by 1000 miles. OJ Mayo can be our 6th man this year and player for 10 years

Now you are just hating on melo.

If I can get OJ Mayo to play 35 minutes as a 6th man rotating with 1-3 meaning

Felton
Mayo
Fields
Gallo
divide those minutes
3X48=144
35X4=140

I think Mayo can play a more effective 1 than Douglas and perhaps we can use Douglas to trade for a big.

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12/11/2010  4:09 PM
We do not need Melo. 7 in a row and 15-9 after a 3-8 start, that's 12-1 if you chop that wack start off. That's hot team there.

Let Gallo and the young guys grow barnacles over Amar'e and mold into the reef that is the Knicks.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/11/2010  4:18 PM
orangeblobman wrote:We do not need Melo. 7 in a row and 15-9 after a 3-8 start, that's 12-1 if you chop that wack start off. That's hot team there.

Let Gallo and the young guys grow barnacles over Amar'e and mold into the reef that is the Knicks.

against mediocre teams in the NBA, no we absolutely do not need Melo... but when you have to go up against teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Magic, etc. in a best of 7 playoff series, it's a different story... if u consider adding a top scoring wing to a dominant low post bigman, a very good PG & a nice supporting cast of role players, u are starting to put together a viable championship calibre roster.

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12/11/2010  4:37 PM
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orangeblobman wrote:We do not need Melo. 7 in a row and 15-9 after a 3-8 start, that's 12-1 if you chop that wack start off. That's hot team there.

Let Gallo and the young guys grow barnacles over Amar'e and mold into the reef that is the Knicks.

against mediocre teams in the NBA, no we absolutely do not need Melo... but when you have to go up against teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Magic, etc. in a best of 7 playoff series, it's a different story... if u consider adding a top scoring wing to a dominant low post bigman, a very good PG & a nice supporting cast of role players, u are starting to put together a viable championship calibre roster.

IMO the only thing that DW is weighing is how much this is going to cost him. Not whether he should do it at all, but what's the best deal he can make. How does he hold on to more of his assets in the deal. I'm positive that he sees the value in adding Melo, but like any good GM he wants to get him for as little as possible.

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12/11/2010  4:41 PM
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TMS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:We do not need Melo. 7 in a row and 15-9 after a 3-8 start, that's 12-1 if you chop that wack start off. That's hot team there.

Let Gallo and the young guys grow barnacles over Amar'e and mold into the reef that is the Knicks.

against mediocre teams in the NBA, no we absolutely do not need Melo... but when you have to go up against teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Magic, etc. in a best of 7 playoff series, it's a different story... if u consider adding a top scoring wing to a dominant low post bigman, a very good PG & a nice supporting cast of role players, u are starting to put together a viable championship calibre roster.

IMO the only thing that DW is weighing is how much this is going to cost him. Not whether he should do it at all, but what's the best deal he can make. How does he hold on to more of his assets in the deal. I'm positive that he sees the value in adding Melo, but like any good GM he wants to get him for as little as possible.

i agree, which is why i think it's silly to discuss whether or not it's worth gutting our entire roster to get him... i don't think that's even a consideration in DW's mind at this point... he will put together a reasonable deal to get Melo & if DEN still refuses then he'll consider other options... there is nothing that DW has done as our GM that would lead me to believe he would completely gut our roster for any 1 player.

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12/11/2010  9:12 PM
If the Knicks are really negotiating with Houston to trade Randolph for a first round pick, it would appear that Walsh has already been negotiating with Denver and thinks he knows about how much they want.
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12/11/2010  9:44 PM
rvwink wrote:If the Knicks are really negotiating with Houston to trade Randolph for a first round pick, it would appear that Walsh has already been negotiating with Denver and thinks he knows about how much they want.

i'm willing to bet if we end up trading AR to HOU for their 1st round pick, that pick along w/Gallo & Wilson gets sent to DEN in a deal for Melo.

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12/11/2010  10:05 PM
TMS wrote:
rvwink wrote:If the Knicks are really negotiating with Houston to trade Randolph for a first round pick, it would appear that Walsh has already been negotiating with Denver and thinks he knows about how much they want.

i'm willing to bet if we end up trading AR to HOU for their 1st round pick, that pick along w/Gallo & Wilson gets sent to DEN in a deal for Melo.


I don't know if the Knicks get Melo without giving up Fields. Also if Randolph goes to Houston I think he will finally get a chance to show why he was a lottery pick. I think Adelman will help him a lot.
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12/11/2010  10:12 PM
I'm not sure that you win that bet. My guess is that Donnie Walsh ends up paying a more affordable price than both Chandler and Gallinari. The Knicks have too much leverage to have to pay that much imo. I think it is Chandler, a number 1 draft choice, and a second round draft choice, plus Eddie Curry, plus maybe Toney Douglas.
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12/11/2010  10:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2010  10:17 PM
rvwink wrote:I'm not sure that you win that bet. My guess is that Donnie Walsh ends up paying a more affordable price than both Chandler and Gallinari. The Knicks have too much leverage to have to pay that much imo. I think it is Chandler, a number 1 draft choice, and a second round draft choice, plus Eddie Curry, plus maybe Toney Douglas.

I think a combo of Gallo, Chandler, Fields, a first rounder and Eddy for Melo and a contract is what gets it done. My guess is Fields and Chandler because they provide more cap relief. However, Gallo did have his big game against the Nuggets.
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