martin wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:All I'm saying is he takes too many 3-pointers. He doesn't seem to understand his range. It certainly isn't the 3-point shot.

hard to argue with nearly 40% during this winning run.

Eh, I'm not taking that into account.

Overall, this season and career percentage is a clear indication that his range is inside the 3-point line.

Childs2Dudley wrote:All I'm saying is he takes too many 3-pointers. He doesn't seem to understand his range. It certainly isn't the 3-point shot.

2 or 3 a game we can live with. He is shooting 31%, which isn't good but it's almost 1 made for every 3 attempts. That is borderline for teams to let him shoot it. So, hopefully he can raise that up some which will just create more space for Amare. See, I think that is the key. Outside of that, often he does have the 3 but drives it and dishes. Once he gets a mid range pull up (actually thought he had that at Stanford) he will be ok on drives.

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Childs2Dudley wrote:
I don't know what you see in Wilson Chandler.

Chandler does not have star potential because he has a poor basketball IQ. This is what hinders him from taking the next step. His decision-making on the court is below average to bad. The fact that he takes 5 3-pointers a game with that 3-point % tells you that he is not the smartest of players. This guy should be driving primarily all game because he is successful at it.

I like Wilson but it's hard supporting a guy who makes so many maddening errors.

I'd much rather have Wilson's consistent 35% than Gallo's hot/cold 37%. You know how many treys would make up the percentage difference over the course of the year? If Wilson had hit 3 more of his shots from downtown from the beginning of the year until now, he'd be shooting a better percentage than Gallo.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Forget about the victories we have had. The one thing I notice is the collective attitude of the team. No complacency, no controversy, no guys in the locker room with their own agendas. Everyone is team-first, at least for now.

Outside of the obvious choices like Felton and Amare as leaders, I think guys like Turiaf and Roger Mason are very positive influences in the locker room. Mason may suck but he has been an ultimate pro. He could have cried his way out like Hughes for example. He's supporting the team and being a good veteran mentor we need on this young team. Turiaf, of course, is constant energy and just an all-around positive guy that we badly needed.

Don't discount having hard-working young guys like Fields, Rautins and Mozgov either.

Then you have holdovers like Gallo and Douglas who are dying to win.

The only negative is Curry but thankfully he's not part of the team anymore. Just seeing him on my TV screen evokes bad memories.

This is the first time in a long time I can say that I love this team. These group of guys are guys you can root for. Skillset aside, they truly care about the team and about winning and I don't think I have seen that here since the Sprewell days.

If you are giving out props like that you can at least give Chandler some love. He is doing everything the team is asking of him and doing it well. From guarding guards to centers no a peep out of him just goes and give his best effort.

Childs2Dudley wrote:I’m taking into account that a career 30% 3 point shooter should not be taking 5 3’s a game. A 12 game sample size will not change my opinion.

Chandler can be a great player with improved shot selection and better awareness of his strengths on the court. 3-point shooting is not his strength. Not to the point of taking 5 a game.

adjusted for pace, Kobe Jordan Wade all shot/shoot about the same amount of 3s per game or a hint less at either the same % or much worse as Chandler does this year.

Childs2Dudley wrote:I’m taking into account that a career 30% 3 point shooter should not be taking 5 3’s a game. A 12 game sample size will not change my opinion.

Chandler can be a great player with improved shot selection and better awareness of his strengths on the court. 3-point shooting is not his strength. Not to the point of taking 5 a game.

Chandler has a great IQ of the game that is why he is so versatile. His percentage is on the rise close to 47% fg his three point shooting is improved yet you find enough room to take shots at the third best player on the team. He takes to many threes not when he is basically shooting the same percentage as the others on the team. The three pointer is part of MDA system which I don't agree with but that is the system the Knicks use. You are taking in to account his career three point Percentage. Aren't young players suppose to get better with their shooting with time in the NBA. Now Chandler is showing that he has improved that facet of his game why go back and look at the past just look at what is in front of you today. If you go back into a players past and early stages of development you will always almost always find faults. What do you say for Durant's piss poor three point percentage or Kobe's for that matter at this time. Sorry man but you seem to have sour grapes over Chandler the man is producing in front of your eyes and you are going into his past to dig up past dirt. It just means you don't like him, say what you feel don't dance around what you feel.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Forget about the victories we have had. The one thing I notice is the collective attitude of the team. No complacency, no controversy, no guys in the locker room with their own agendas. Everyone is team-first, at least for now.

Outside of the obvious choices like Felton and Amare as leaders, I think guys like Turiaf and Roger Mason are very positive influences in the locker room. Mason may suck but he has been an ultimate pro. He could have cried his way out like Hughes for example. He's supporting the team and being a good veteran mentor we need on this young team. Turiaf, of course, is constant energy and just an all-around positive guy that we badly needed.

Don't discount having hard-working young guys like Fields, Rautins and Mozgov either.

Then you have holdovers like Gallo and Douglas who are dying to win.

The only negative is Curry but thankfully he's not part of the team anymore. Just seeing him on my TV screen evokes bad memories.

This is the first time in a long time I can say that I love this team. These group of guys are guys you can root for. Skillset aside, they truly care about the team and about winning and I don't think I have seen that here since the Sprewell days.

It is a good group, with a lot of character on and off of the court.

Now that teams know we can hit those shots, it's creating tons of room for Amar'e/Felton to beast!!! This was no different in PHX or Orl. Sooner or later people will respect this approach for what it is. We built this team with this system in mind and it's working so far.

nixluva wrote:I don't get the point when it comes to Gallo. There's a reason why people look at %'s. Just cuz Gallo has been a bit streaky doesn't mean that he's not still getting it done. You either shoot 37% from 3 or you don't. I think he's gonna eventually figure out what is going wrong with his shot. It's so close to being on target. Most of his misses are in and out. It's not like he's missing badly. I happen to think he's aiming and rushing a bit. There's less arch on his shots when he's rushing.

Still Chan is doing a great job of getting good balance on his 3's. I like the way he's shooting. Overall I don't want to lose either Chan or Gallo. We're pretty effective at spreading the floor with these guys. People have to realize that the constant threat of those 3's is of greater importance than the actual %. The reason being that it keeps the floor spread. Teams don't want us to get comfortable and then get hot from 3. We have that threat at all times and teams know it. If you let Gallo or Chan get a rhythm going it's gonna be a long night. So now Amar'e and Felton have he space to get rockin and rollin. Even 3pt misses are good in this system. Cuz the opposing coach is gonna be yelling at his guys to get back out to defend the 3pt line. He's gonna feel like he was lucky we missed. No one is daring us to shoot from 3! Trust me. Cuz we're just good enough to be a real threat to hit those shots for a better % if unguarded.

If you go 1-10 one night and 6-10 the next night, then its harder to win both of those games than if you went 3-10 and 4-10.... got it?

JohnWallace44 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't get the point when it comes to Gallo. There's a reason why people look at %'s. Just cuz Gallo has been a bit streaky doesn't mean that he's not still getting it done. You either shoot 37% from 3 or you don't. I think he's gonna eventually figure out what is going wrong with his shot. It's so close to being on target. Most of his misses are in and out. It's not like he's missing badly. I happen to think he's aiming and rushing a bit. There's less arch on his shots when he's rushing.

Still Chan is doing a great job of getting good balance on his 3's. I like the way he's shooting. Overall I don't want to lose either Chan or Gallo. We're pretty effective at spreading the floor with these guys. People have to realize that the constant threat of those 3's is of greater importance than the actual %. The reason being that it keeps the floor spread. Teams don't want us to get comfortable and then get hot from 3. We have that threat at all times and teams know it. If you let Gallo or Chan get a rhythm going it's gonna be a long night. So now Amar'e and Felton have he space to get rockin and rollin. Even 3pt misses are good in this system. Cuz the opposing coach is gonna be yelling at his guys to get back out to defend the 3pt line. He's gonna feel like he was lucky we missed. No one is daring us to shoot from 3! Trust me. Cuz we're just good enough to be a real threat to hit those shots for a better % if unguarded.

If you go 1-10 one night and 6-10 the next night, then its harder to win both of those games than if you went 3-10 and 4-10.... got it?

That's a false argument. If I go 3-10 and do nothing else then I'm not helping the team. If I go 1-10 play great d, move the ball and contribute in other ways then it may or may not be harder to win the game. Can't determine a players worth by focusing on one set of stats.

We get it. You don't like Gallo. Your opinion is clear. Do you need to expand on that or can we give it a rest. I think he's clearly inconsistent but has played well this season. When we were losing we lost as a team. We are now winning as a team. The marbury era is over. No more singling out one player to blame. "All alone" is dead in NY. How about you move forwards and join us

nixluva wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't get the point when it comes to Gallo. There's a reason why people look at %'s. Just cuz Gallo has been a bit streaky doesn't mean that he's not still getting it done. You either shoot 37% from 3 or you don't. I think he's gonna eventually figure out what is going wrong with his shot. It's so close to being on target. Most of his misses are in and out. It's not like he's missing badly. I happen to think he's aiming and rushing a bit. There's less arch on his shots when he's rushing.

Still Chan is doing a great job of getting good balance on his 3's. I like the way he's shooting. Overall I don't want to lose either Chan or Gallo. We're pretty effective at spreading the floor with these guys. People have to realize that the constant threat of those 3's is of greater importance than the actual %. The reason being that it keeps the floor spread. Teams don't want us to get comfortable and then get hot from 3. We have that threat at all times and teams know it. If you let Gallo or Chan get a rhythm going it's gonna be a long night. So now Amar'e and Felton have he space to get rockin and rollin. Even 3pt misses are good in this system. Cuz the opposing coach is gonna be yelling at his guys to get back out to defend the 3pt line. He's gonna feel like he was lucky we missed. No one is daring us to shoot from 3! Trust me. Cuz we're just good enough to be a real threat to hit those shots for a better % if unguarded.

If you go 1-10 one night and 6-10 the next night, then its harder to win both of those games than if you went 3-10 and 4-10.... got it?

I understand that. I just don't think that he's been like that exaggerated example you're giving. Over the course of the winning streak this is what Gallo has done.

 
11/17	@Sac	4-8	0.500	3-5	0.600	
11/19	@Gsw	7-15	0.467	3-5	0.600	
11/20	@Lac	7-11	0.636	4-6	0.667	
11/23	Cha	3-7	0.429	1-4	0.250	
11/24	@Cha	2-9	0.222	2-5	0.400	
11/27	Atl	2-6	0.333	0-2	0.000	
11/28	@Det	7-12	0.583	4-9	0.444	
11/30	Njn	3-11	0.273	2-6	0.333	
November	72-172	0.419	35-90	0.389	
DATE	OPP	FG	PCT	3P	PCT	
12/3	@Nor	5-12	0.417	3-6	0.500	
12/5	@Tor	2-7	0.286	2-6	0.333	
12/6	Min	6-11	0.545	2-5	0.400	
12/8	Tor	5-13	0.385	2-5	0.400	
December	18-43	0.419	9-22	0.409 

Good post. He has certainly been better during the streak. Everyone has, but I just hope that he can reinforce the good things he's been doing like pump faking and getting to the line instead of taking contested threes.

He never seems to put it together completely. It seems like it will be a race between Gallo, Williams and TD to round out their games. Whoever does it first will be given big minutes and whoever doesn't will fall out of the rotation.