TMS wrote:i don't think there's any real chance Iggy would be the one orchestrating fulltime if we ever made a trade for him... Felton has carved out his niche as the leader on this team already among the guards... anyway, there's no harm in adding a guy that can handle the ball... we are, afterall, trying to figure out who can run the offense when Felton isn't on the floor, aren't we?

as for the pace at which he plays, if Iggy can't succeed in MDA's SSOL system, what system can he succeed in? this system is built on fast pace & uptempo... having a defensive guy like Iggy on the perimeter makes for more fastbreak opps for him & Felton together... Felton is money on the fastbreak too... Amare won't necessarily have to keep up with those guys when they're running for us to get easy baskets, & even if he does, he's still 1 of the best running bigmen in the NBA.

I can tell you and I are going to be agreeing alot. I love Iggy's game and always have. In an ideal world, he is the finished product that I hope Landry Fields will become (and probably won't; I think he bottoms out as Doug Christie at his best). Iggy is jack-of-all trades. I actually consider him to be one of the best defenders in the league and quite possibly the 2nd best point-forward in the game (LeBron being no.1 ). The only short-comings in his game I see is his ability to shoot the ball from distance. He once shot 35% from beyond the 3 point line but the guy is downright awful at shooting, which makes me skeptical of his success in our offense if Melo is here. If Melo is not an option, I definitely role the dice on Iggy. He also fills the void for a ball handler/distributor when Felton goes to the bench.

Do you think that Melo and Iggy can play together with what we already have? I'm undecided.

Melo2NYK wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think there's any real chance Iggy would be the one orchestrating fulltime if we ever made a trade for him... Felton has carved out his niche as the leader on this team already among the guards... anyway, there's no harm in adding a guy that can handle the ball... we are, afterall, trying to figure out who can run the offense when Felton isn't on the floor, aren't we?

as for the pace at which he plays, if Iggy can't succeed in MDA's SSOL system, what system can he succeed in? this system is built on fast pace & uptempo... having a defensive guy like Iggy on the perimeter makes for more fastbreak opps for him & Felton together... Felton is money on the fastbreak too... Amare won't necessarily have to keep up with those guys when they're running for us to get easy baskets, & even if he does, he's still 1 of the best running bigmen in the NBA.

I can tell you and I are going to be agreeing alot. I love Iggy's game and always have. In an ideal world, he is the finished product that I hope Landry Fields will become (and probably won't; I think he bottoms out as Doug Christie at his best). Iggy is jack-of-all trades. I actually consider him to be one of the best defenders in the league and quite possibly the 2nd best point-forward in the game (LeBron being no.1 ). The only short-comings in his game I see is his ability to shoot the ball from distance. He once shot 35% from beyond the 3 point line but the guy is downright awful at shooting, which makes me skeptical of his success in our offense if Melo is here. If Melo is not an option, I definitely role the dice on Iggy. He also fills the void for a ball handler/distributor when Felton goes to the bench.

Do you think that Melo and Iggy can play together with what we already have? I'm undecided.

i think Melo & Iggy could play together, but we won't be able to get both those guys, we don't have enough matching contracts to make it happen... let's just say for argument's sake we use Curry's expiring as part of the Melo deal, then we'd have to trade Felton as part of a package to get our hands on Iggy to get the money to match up, or else put together a package of Turiaf, Buike & Chandler... after giving up what it would take to get Melo to begin with, trading for Iggy would then leave us bare in terms of depth on the roster & wouldn't be worth the hassle... it would have to be Melo as plan A & Iggy+someone else as plan B.

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

scoshin wrote:He's very underrated. But the problem is his contract imo.

$12M
$13M
$14M
$15M

That's a high price to pay imo. Especially when Fields could be Iggy-lite or even better in the future.

I agree. I also think committing that kind of money to him means you feel that he is the guy that can put the team over the top because that salary handcuffs the Knicks for future moves. There are a lot of good things about the Knicks right now. I think Walsh has to be really careful what stars he chases and what he gives up to get them.

What about a cheaper option like say, Tayshaun Prince? He's a free agent next year and can provide a lot of the defense and passing that Iggy does, plus he's a a better three point shooter.

I actually like the Tayshaun idea a LOT. Veteran who's been through the fire, plays D, can space the floor, doesn't stop the ball. Sign me up

martin wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:does anyone here want to see Iggy chucking 3's. I know I don't......non shooters don't work in the system unless they are defensive bigs. Iggy is more of a wing and we can't afford wing players that can't shoot.

I dont disagree with this sentiment. BUT

Until this year Chandler did not fit that description. Fields is shooting about the same rate from 3point as Iggy's career numbers (this year Andre is sucking).

Would Wade or LeBron fit in MDA's system, cause neither of them shoot dramatically better than Iggy from 3point land.

Kobe's career 3point numbers: 34% vs. Iggy's 32%. Melo's career from downtown: 31%

Man a stop sign would shoot significantly better than Iggy. The dude is putrid.....comparing his shooting to the likes of LeBitch and walnut cheeks Wade is a travesty. I may not be a fan of those 2 but I'm not going to revise history or the present by putting no jumpshot Iggy in the same conversation.

DurzoBlint wrote:

martin wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:does anyone here want to see Iggy chucking 3's. I know I don't......non shooters don't work in the system unless they are defensive bigs. Iggy is more of a wing and we can't afford wing players that can't shoot.

I dont disagree with this sentiment. BUT

Until this year Chandler did not fit that description. Fields is shooting about the same rate from 3point as Iggy's career numbers (this year Andre is sucking).

Would Wade or LeBron fit in MDA's system, cause neither of them shoot dramatically better than Iggy from 3point land.

Kobe's career 3point numbers: 34% vs. Iggy's 32%. Melo's career from downtown: 31%

Man a stop sign would shoot significantly better than Iggy. The dude is putrid.....comparing his shooting to the likes of LeBitch and walnut cheeks Wade is a travesty. I may not be a fan of those 2 but I'm not going to revise history or the present by putting no jumpshot Iggy in the same conversation.

DUDE, numbers dont lie. Wade is **** from 3point land.

I just put up the numbers. How can you say that Iggy is putrid when he is shooting the same numbers as all-world beaters? Here are the career numbers:

Playa		3PT%
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Wade		29%
LeBron		33%
Iggy		32%
Melo		31%
Kobe		34%
Chandler	32%

TMS wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think there's any real chance Iggy would be the one orchestrating fulltime if we ever made a trade for him... Felton has carved out his niche as the leader on this team already among the guards... anyway, there's no harm in adding a guy that can handle the ball... we are, afterall, trying to figure out who can run the offense when Felton isn't on the floor, aren't we?

as for the pace at which he plays, if Iggy can't succeed in MDA's SSOL system, what system can he succeed in? this system is built on fast pace & uptempo... having a defensive guy like Iggy on the perimeter makes for more fastbreak opps for him & Felton together... Felton is money on the fastbreak too... Amare won't necessarily have to keep up with those guys when they're running for us to get easy baskets, & even if he does, he's still 1 of the best running bigmen in the NBA.

I can tell you and I are going to be agreeing alot. I love Iggy's game and always have. In an ideal world, he is the finished product that I hope Landry Fields will become (and probably won't; I think he bottoms out as Doug Christie at his best). Iggy is jack-of-all trades. I actually consider him to be one of the best defenders in the league and quite possibly the 2nd best point-forward in the game (LeBron being no.1 ). The only short-comings in his game I see is his ability to shoot the ball from distance. He once shot 35% from beyond the 3 point line but the guy is downright awful at shooting, which makes me skeptical of his success in our offense if Melo is here. If Melo is not an option, I definitely role the dice on Iggy. He also fills the void for a ball handler/distributor when Felton goes to the bench.

Do you think that Melo and Iggy can play together with what we already have? I'm undecided.

i think Melo & Iggy could play together, but we won't be able to get both those guys, we don't have enough matching contracts to make it happen... let's just say for argument's sake we use Curry's expiring as part of the Melo deal, then we'd have to trade Felton as part of a package to get our hands on Iggy to get the money to match up, or else put together a package of Turiaf, Buike & Chandler... after giving up what it would take to get Melo to begin with, trading for Iggy would then leave us bare in terms of depth on the roster & wouldn't be worth the hassle... it would have to be Melo as plan A & Iggy+someone else as plan B.

That's the thing, if you were to include Philly in a 3 way trade with the Nuggets, we might be able to do so. The combined number of incoming salaries have to be 25% of the outgoing salaries right? If we were to bring in both Iggy($12 mil) and Melo ($17 mil) at the same time, their combined contracts would equal about $29 million. That means that our outgoing salaries would have to total about $22 million. Eddy Curry ($11.2 plus the trade kicker), Kelenna Azubuike ($3 mil), Roger Mason ($1.3), Anthony Randolph ($2.1 mil), Gallo (3 mil), Andy Rautins ($.5) and Walker ($1 mil) put us pretty close to that $22 million. Of course, we'd need to find homes for those players but if it is a salary dump the 76ers are looking for, we can give it to them.

TMS wrote:i'm not sure i'm following u here... Melo is making $17M... so to match his contract out of those players u listed, we'd have to put together a package like Gallo ($3.3M), AR ($2M) & Curry's expiring ($11.2M) as well as whatever picks u wanna include... so then u have Iggy, who's currently making $12.3M... so if u offer a package of whatever's left over, Buike ($3.4M), Mason ($1.4M), Walker ($800K), Rautins ($600K), that still leaves u about $6M short of matching the dollars to make it work... & i don't really see Philly dealing Iggy to us for a straight salary dump without at least getting back someone with upside like AR in the deal.

i think the only way to get Melo & Iggy both, is if we sign Melo in the offseason as a FA, then make the trade for Iggy using our assets & matching contracts... of course, by then Curry & Buike's contracts will be off the books & so will Wilson C & Shawne Williams (who will need to be either traded or renounced to make room to sign Melo to begin with), so you're left with the same quandary of trying to match up the dollars for Iguodala... to match Iggy's $13.5M salary in '11, u'd have to then offer up Gallo ($4.2M in '11), Turiaf ($4.4M in '11), AR ($2.9M in '11) & Mozgov ($2.5M in '11)... if u did all that, u'd be left with no C & only Felton, Iggy, Melo, Amare, Fields, Douglas, Rautins & at least 5 empty roster spots that will carry cap holds themselves, & no cap room to sign anyone other than minimum salary players to fill those roster spots... i don't think it's really feasible, unless i'm missing something here.

That's the thing. In 3-way trades, you take into account the total amount of money coming in vs. the total amount of money going out. So Melo's and Iggy's contract total $29 million. We'd have to send out approximately $22 million worth of salary to be within 25% of the money (the $29 million) we're receiving. Curry ($11.2 million), Gallo ($3 million), Randolph ($2 million), Azubuike ($3 million), Mason Jr. ($1.4 million), Bill Walker ($.8 million), Andy Rautins ($.4 million) total approximately $21 million.

Unfortunately, it would take 7 players to generate that much cash to make the deal happen. The Nuggets have a full roster of 15 players and the Sixers have 14 players under contract, meaning that they'd have to cut a few players to make it happen. Fiscally, the possibility is there to add both Iggy and Melo, assuming that it was a 3-way trade. The problem becomes opening up spots for them on the Nuggets and Sixers. And you may be right in yet another regard, about the Sixers asking price for Iggy. They had the opportunity to dump him for Peja's contract and did not do so. The Knicks would have to sweeten the pot and we have nothing of value through which to do so.

P.S., I wouldn't be worried about giving up the players I mentioned. None of them contribute to our rotation aside from Gallo and could be replaced by D-League players/FA fodder. Our roster would look something like this...

Raymond Felton...PG
Andre Igoudala...SG
Carmelo Anthony...SF
Amar'e Stoudamire...PF
Ronny Turiaf...C
Toney Douglas...PG
Landry Fields...SG
Wilson Chandler...F
Shawne Williams...F
Timofey Mazgov....C

That would be a pretty impressive lineup.