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12/7/2010  9:53 AM
do the knicks even win last game if turiaf doesnt step in early as the defensive adrenaline rush knicks needed to wake up and say hey cant just go shot for shot with minny. have to stop them. defense won last nite. for everything that turiaf is not, he is a starter-- just two minutes into last nite's game mda was calling his number.
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12/7/2010  10:19 AM
Go back and look at the Boston box score. I think you have to have Turiaf start at least just to take away fouls and keep the rebounding disadvantage out of the ridiculous range.

Otherwise, you're asking Felton/Fields/Gallo to completely outgun Rondo/Pierce/Allen. That's a tough task.

We may just have no real shot against Boston and we have to go small and pray. We'll see.

At this point I'm getting greedy looking at the standings and trying to imagine how we'll continue to climb while going up against the bigger/better teams in the Association.

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12/7/2010  10:26 AM
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misterearl wrote:Who's Small?


Felton may be only 6'1, but he hits like a linebacker

Landry Fields is 6'7 and rebounds as well as David Lee

Gallo is 6'10 and learning the joy of driving the paint

Wilson Chandler is 6'8 240 and much stronger than advertised

Captain A is 6'10 and solid muscle. "AND ONE!"

The New Microwave Shawne Williams is 6'9 and will block a shot

Mozgov is a legit seven feet tall

Toney Douglas has the wingspan of a 6'10 forward

Turiaf IS a 6'10 forward


Small?

Really?

I agree with JW. Small Ball may not hurt us during the regular season, but come play offs, styles & what is allowed changes, and we'll be pushed off the court like a JV team.

We have some height, but no 'girth'. As strong as Amare might be, he isn't an immovable object that can anchor a defense and hold down the middle. He is no center, and neither is Wilson Chandler.

Where's Briggs with his Thompson thread?

If we had a Brook Lopez, Kevin Love- heck even a Robin Lopez in the middle, we'd be one of the top 4 teams in the east.

You know what I like? From the tone of this thread, posters are seeing themselves in the playoffs and wondering how deep we can go. We're still a work in progress, but one with high expectations

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12/7/2010  10:32 AM
martin wrote:
misterearl wrote:The New Microwave Shawne Williams is 6'9 and will block a shot

oh hmmmm not bad. dude does need a knick name

Drop the "W". Shane is the only name for a gun slinger

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12/7/2010  10:33 AM
Game is not played in the box score.

If you think its small it does create problems for "Big" teams. We run. We run hard. Shaq can't run, Jermain O'neal can't run, Garnett will get gassed and Big Baby is still Big. Boston is old and we got legs.

now the big deal is really if our shots are falling. When that occurs we will beat anyone. When not, we are toast.

Im not worried about the playoffs because I don't think we are built to go deep at this point. We won 29 game last year.

This year anything over 38 wins and the 8th seed is a bonus.

Now if anyone is worried about contending and you have raised the bar then thats a good thing I guess.

Not me, Im not down on the team but Im just enjoying the games and happy as hell they are beating all these lower teams. That has to happen before we can contend. And maybe thats all we are this year. Its a long season and Orlando, Miami and even Boston will get it together for the playoffs. They are built for the year end tournament. We are not.

Small ball is not "fools", but its not a champion team either. Never has it occured to me it could be.

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12/7/2010  12:03 PM
I think you can live with Chandler at PF against most matchups in the league, but against many of the better teams they are going to kill you inside. Hell Minny did it last night. Wilson is going to struggle agains beefier, skilled PF's and Amare is going to struggle with skilled centers. With Turiaf starting you have everyone playing their natural positions and Wilson as a spark off the bench. The "small" line-up is actually just a more skilled version of last years "small" line-up. Now again, we can live and win with Chandler in the starting line-up but against some of the better teams I think it's going to hurt us.
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12/7/2010  12:10 PM
Bippity10 wrote:I think you can live with Chandler at PF against most matchups in the league, but against many of the better teams they are going to kill you inside. Hell Minny did it last night. Wilson is going to struggle agains beefier, skilled PF's and Amare is going to struggle with skilled centers. With Turiaf starting you have everyone playing their natural positions and Wilson as a spark off the bench. The "small" line-up is actually just a more skilled version of last years "small" line-up. Now again, we can live and win with Chandler in the starting line-up but against some of the better teams I think it's going to hurt us.

The Celts are going to beat that line up like a rented mule

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12/7/2010  12:12 PM
Panos wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:I think you can live with Chandler at PF against most matchups in the league, but against many of the better teams they are going to kill you inside. Hell Minny did it last night. Wilson is going to struggle agains beefier, skilled PF's and Amare is going to struggle with skilled centers. With Turiaf starting you have everyone playing their natural positions and Wilson as a spark off the bench. The "small" line-up is actually just a more skilled version of last years "small" line-up. Now again, we can live and win with Chandler in the starting line-up but against some of the better teams I think it's going to hurt us.

The Celts are going to beat that line up like a rented mule

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12/7/2010  12:34 PM
Turiaf can't play starters minutes.

This is our team. We have holes if others exectute.

They can beat us in side but they have to chase us down the court. Big beefy dudes get into foul trouble trying to guard Amare. Darko was killing it then he got hurt. We will injure players running. Maybe you can post Wilson but then you have to guard him also. Guard Gallo out side he will go right by you. They will foul him. Lay back and he'll do the 3.

Then you have to sub them out. Boston can be beat. We will beat them before the season is out.

Nate is too stupid to guard against the pick and roll.

We hit our shots we beat anyone. If not, we don't.

Ain't like we defending a championship this year.

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12/7/2010  12:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2010  12:37 PM
starting Turiaf doesn't mean u have to run him out there for 30+ minutes... i think the main point is to prevent other teams from exposing matchups to start off games early by putting out a more balanced starting rotation... i don't see why Wilson can't see 30+ minutes whether he starts or comes off the bench.

we are 5-1 w/Turiaf starting games so let's not act like it wasn't working before.

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12/7/2010  12:42 PM
TMS wrote:starting Turiaf doesn't mean u have to run him out there for 30+ minutes... i think the main point is to prevent other teams from exposing matchups to start off games early by putting out a more balanced starting rotation... i don't see why Wilson can't see 30+ minutes whether he starts or comes off the bench.

we are 5-1 w/Turiaf starting games so let's not act like it wasn't working before.

Totally agree. Set the tone, then adjust.

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12/7/2010  12:47 PM
TMS wrote:starting Turiaf doesn't mean u have to run him out there for 30+ minutes... i think the main point is to prevent other teams from exposing matchups to start off games early by putting out a more balanced starting rotation... i don't see why Wilson can't see 30+ minutes whether he starts or comes off the bench.

we are 5-1 w/Turiaf starting games so let's not act like it wasn't working before.

Amen brother. I like the balance we have with Wilson coming off the bench to lead the 2nd unit. It opens things up for TD as Wilson is the main focus, and like you said it keeps teams from getting those quick starts against us. He can still play 30-35 minutes and Turiaf can still play 10-30 depending on match up.

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12/7/2010  1:07 PM
I think that Mike may have had to allow things to play out so that Chan could see why he may need to send him back to the bench. Sometimes as a coach you need to let the reality of events do your convincing. If he just sends Chan to the bench he risks damaging Chan's spirits. However, if he let's it playout as it did, then he can always point to the results and show that it's necessary. No one would question or quarrel with that decision given the way that Minny was killing the small unit. It may just be a smart bit of coaching is all. We'll see.
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12/7/2010  1:12 PM
nixluva wrote:I think that Mike may have had to allow things to play out so that Chan could see why he may need to send him back to the bench. Sometimes as a coach you need to let the reality of events do your convincing. If he just sends Chan to the bench he risks damaging Chan's spirits. However, if he let's it playout as it did, then he can always point to the results and show that it's necessary. No one would question or quarrel with that decision given the way that Minny was killing the small unit. It may just be a smart bit of coaching is all. We'll see.

Sometimes you go with your gut, sometimes you go with results. The Chandler line-up has been winning and Turiaf has been injured. There was no reason for him to change the line-up last night. I do however feel that time and better competition will show our warts. That small line-up won't work against bigger better teams. Our need for a back up PG and anotehr big will begin to become more apparent.

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12/7/2010  1:32 PM
If Im Chandler going back to the bench is tough. Why not Gallo? Shawne Williams and Chandler are essentially the same player... we have seen Chandler have long streaks of poor shooting from 3 point range. Chandler can certainly play the 4/3 and even 2.
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12/7/2010  1:39 PM
fishmike wrote:If Im Chandler going back to the bench is tough. Why not Gallo? Shawne Williams and Chandler are essentially the same player... we have seen Chandler have long streaks of poor shooting from 3 point range. Chandler can certainly play the 4/3 and even 2.

Because it's not a demotion. He's still on teh floor 30+ minutes and still on the floor at teh end of games. In high school starting was very important because you only had 5 or 6 guys that can play. In the NBa and college the lines are blurred. Chandler is outplaying Gallo, but the reason I feel that you move Chandler to the bench is to balance out the offense. Teh second unit right now is Mozgov, Douglas, Williams, Walker etc. We need at least one guy that can take his man and score when the offense bogs down. Chandler is better at it then Gallo so I prefer him with the second unit. To me it's actually a promotion because we are asking him to carry the second unit. To be teh Amare of teh second unit. I don't think Gallo can do that, while Chandler has been great at it.

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12/7/2010  1:40 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
fishmike wrote:If Im Chandler going back to the bench is tough. Why not Gallo? Shawne Williams and Chandler are essentially the same player... we have seen Chandler have long streaks of poor shooting from 3 point range. Chandler can certainly play the 4/3 and even 2.

Because it's not a demotion. He's still on teh floor 30+ minutes and still on the floor at teh end of games. In high school starting was very important because you only had 5 or 6 guys that can play. In the NBa and college the lines are blurred. Chandler is outplaying Gallo, but the reason I feel that you move Chandler to the bench is to balance out the offense. Teh second unit right now is Mozgov, Douglas, Williams, Walker etc. We need at least one guy that can take his man and score when the offense bogs down. Chandler is better at it then Gallo so I prefer him with the second unit. To me it's actually a promotion because we are asking him to carry the second unit. To be teh Amare of teh second unit. I don't think Gallo can do that, while Chandler has been great at it.

Ihave a hard time typing teh

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12/7/2010  1:49 PM
Wilson Chandler should start and Gallo with his 39% shooting needs to come off the bench. Chandler should get 35+ minutes a night are you guys looking at the numbers he putting up when he gets the minutes he has what Gallo lacks consistency he has figured it out and his numbers are getting better and better. He has upped his FG% his three point FG%. If anything Gallo might benefit from coming off the bench in a Crawford like role where he is free to jack shots up.
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12/7/2010  1:50 PM
fishmike - Shawne Williams and Chandler are not essentially the same player.

Chandler is 6'8 240 and a rugged inside finisher who can block a shot or two. The Mayors three point shot is fools gold.

Williams is 6'9 225 and more of a finesse forward who can defend on the perimeter, and also bring the bonus of blocked shots. New Microwave's three point shot is money.

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12/7/2010  2:05 PM
Vmart wrote:Wilson Chandler should start and Gallo with his 39% shooting needs to come off the bench. Chandler should get 35+ minutes a night are you guys looking at the numbers he putting up when he gets the minutes he has what Gallo lacks consistency he has figured it out and his numbers are getting better and better. He has upped his FG% his three point FG%. If anything Gallo might benefit from coming off the bench in a Crawford like role where he is free to jack shots up.

So your bench is now

Gallo 39%
Douglas 40%(around 5 points a game when Chandler starts)
Mozgov 37%
Shawne Williams-hasn't played in a year

Who is anchoring that 2nd unit?

We really need to stop looking at it as a demotion and look at it as balancing the team. Minutes are minutes. If you get 30+ minutes a game it doesn't matter if they announced your name at the beginning of the game or not. It simply doesn't mean anything against the player going to the bench.

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