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skeng
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12/6/2010  9:21 PM
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12/6/2010  9:31 PM
CHAOS wrote:I'd rather see EC than AR at this point. EC is has the potential to be more valuable on the court or via trade.

I totally agree.
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12/6/2010  10:03 PM
ATrain wrote:
CHAOS wrote:I'd rather see EC than AR at this point. EC is has the potential to be more valuable on the court or via trade.

I totally agree.

EC dont block shots or rebound. He cant slash or run the floor either. Only his expiring contract has any value.

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12/6/2010  10:14 PM
It's all in his head. AR is mentally not on a level to contribute on the court.
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12/7/2010  12:06 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:i think Amare just needs to get in this kid's grille & challenge him to be the player he's got the talent to be... if he responds, great... if he doesn't, then he's not cut out for the spotlight in NY & we should probably trade his ass anyway.

You risk of really damaging this kid if Amare gets on his grill. AR just looks like he is very sensitive.

sometimes tough love is needed... can't keep coddling this kid... he needs to show some warrior spirit & man up if he wants to make it in NY... would also be nice to see him actually get some playing time at some point too... he can't show anything unless he gets a chance to do so.

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12/7/2010  12:14 AM
Dude's gotta earn it. Landry Fields and Shawne Williams don't necessarily have more talent than this guy but they earned their way onto the floor by playing hard in every practice.
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12/7/2010  12:22 AM
VDesai wrote:Dude's gotta earn it. Landry Fields and Shawne Williams don't necessarily have more talent than this guy but they earned their way onto the floor by playing hard in every practice.

i agree, he's gotta earn it on this team... we're contending for playoffs this year, can't afford to be running out players that aren't ready to contribute right now.

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12/7/2010  12:23 AM
VDesai wrote:Dude's gotta earn it. Landry Fields and Shawne Williams don't necessarily have more talent than this guy but they earned their way onto the floor by playing hard in every practice.

Agreed, U think I've said it before. Historically, when guys earn their playing time, they will get it under MDA. There is a reason they are in the "Doghouse" that for the most part, we cannot comprehend. The team can though, and that's all that matters. When AR finally earns his PT, he'll get it and there will be a way to put him in there no matter how hard you think it will be to do that.

Case in point. How did Shawn Williams earn his PT today? He shot great, played good defense and Landry shot horrible. 1+1=2.

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12/7/2010  1:04 AM
Bippity10 wrote:Nothing hsppened to him. He's just on a very intelligent team oriented squad and his lack of experience and poor knowledge of the game really stands out right now. If he listens he has great mentors and could really start to blossom. For him toget time with his flaws he has to be a ball of energy and be noticeable just for being on the floor. He should be tripping over landry going for losoe balls. He can't be just another guy in terms of energy level wuth his current production

I tend to think this is the issue.

But, honesty MDA has to find a way to work him into the line up. He's too valuable from his potential as a future player, and for his trade value.

I also think MDA is asking too much of him.

Key quote when MDA was asked about him- he talked about him maybe playing PG, bringing the ball up, etc.

I think MDA ought to carve out a narrow role for him that he can succeed in and get him a few minutes every game, like Moz, perhaps even alternately.

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12/7/2010  1:56 AM
franco12 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:Nothing hsppened to him. He's just on a very intelligent team oriented squad and his lack of experience and poor knowledge of the game really stands out right now. If he listens he has great mentors and could really start to blossom. For him toget time with his flaws he has to be a ball of energy and be noticeable just for being on the floor. He should be tripping over landry going for losoe balls. He can't be just another guy in terms of energy level wuth his current production

I tend to think this is the issue.

But, honesty MDA has to find a way to work him into the line up. He's too valuable from his potential as a future player, and for his trade value.

I also think MDA is asking too much of him.

Key quote when MDA was asked about him- he talked about him maybe playing PG, bringing the ball up, etc.

I think MDA ought to carve out a narrow role for him that he can succeed in and get him a few minutes every game, like Moz, perhaps even alternately.

It's not as easy as you make it seem. AR is more of a SF in nature. To change his mentality to that of a PF/C is perhaps the best fit for him right now, but that's not his skill set. He doesn't have post game and his faceup game isn't that great cuz no one fears his shooting. So what you're left with is a big kid that has no real role on offense and isn't rugged enough to be in the Turiaf role either. He needs more training to perfect his game. I have faith that he'll eventually get there. Let Mike and his team work with the kid.

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12/7/2010  5:15 AM
BRIGGS wrote:WTF happened to this guy? I remember when Lamar Odom said this guy will be a future all star--hll a lot of people said it. All of sudden the guy lost his intensity and his skills seemed to drag down. This guy had a hybrid Odom Camby written all over him. Maybe his injury--I don't know but he still is young @ 21. For the idiot stooge who follows me around from thread to thread--you think you know more about basketball than Donnie Walsh or Lamar Odom? No son you don't. Now why the F did this happened to AR a guy who avg 15-11 -3 when he was 19 for 6 weeks? reinventing himself after injury to be something he is not. And I dont blame MDA for not playing him much. You either go 110% and smart or you dont go.

He has been an amazing disappointment- I'd like to say it's just something mental, but his athletisism seems to have gone too (remember earlier when he was playing he blew some dunks as though he couldn't jump as high as he used to). What I'm clinging to is that the player he's compared to (Camby), sucked for a while when we first got him, and got benched, and suprisingly that inspired him to work harder and get tougher. If AR can respond to his current situation in that way, then it'll be good for him. If he just sulks and gets depressed then he's finished- it's all on him now, he can make or break his career in the months ahead and I hope he rises to the challenge.

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12/7/2010  5:48 AM
I'm not disappointed. He's experiencing a necessary attitude shift that will benefit him in the long run. He came in a lazy bum and is now learning that he has to work for his in this league, he's learning that Don Nelson throwing playing time at him was an anomaly.

People say that Coach Mike beez wack, that he's soft. But he's hard. He likes to have fun and keep it positive, but he'll put you where you belong if you don't do your job.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/7/2010  8:09 AM
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:WTF happened to this guy? I remember when Lamar Odom said this guy will be a future all star--hll a lot of people said it. All of sudden the guy lost his intensity and his skills seemed to drag down. This guy had a hybrid Odom Camby written all over him. Maybe his injury--I don't know but he still is young @ 21. For the idiot stooge who follows me around from thread to thread--you think you know more about basketball than Donnie Walsh or Lamar Odom? No son you don't. Now why the F did this happened to AR a guy who avg 15-11 -3 when he was 19 for 6 weeks? reinventing himself after injury to be something he is not. And I dont blame MDA for not playing him much. You either go 110% and smart or you dont go.

He has been an amazing disappointment- I'd like to say it's just something mental, but his athletisism seems to have gone too (remember earlier when he was playing he blew some dunks as though he couldn't jump as high as he used to). What I'm clinging to is that the player he's compared to (Camby), sucked for a while when we first got him, and got benched, and suprisingly that inspired him to work harder and get tougher. If AR can respond to his current situation in that way, then it'll be good for him. If he just sulks and gets depressed then he's finished- it's all on him now, he can make or break his career in the months ahead and I hope he rises to the challenge.

Based on last season, I think our coach doesn't seem to really do a good job of dealing with guys that get depressed. He seems to have a hard time relating.

Not every athlete is a type A that responds the way you want them.

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12/7/2010  8:10 AM
When everyone says Randolph is not putting in the effort, how exactly do we know this to be a fact? Are we basing it on what we see, in terms of him not playing?
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12/7/2010  8:33 AM
Dude is a project. We can wait it out and let him develop but this is a team built to win now. He has a 2-3 mill team option next year I believe. In theory that sounds nice. Sounds like a low number for a guy with high potential but we need all the cap space we can get. I would try to get something for him before the trade deadline. Problem is his stock is probably pretty low right now. So we might just wait it out and see if he proves anything by the end of the year.
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12/7/2010  8:50 AM
tj23 wrote:Dude is a project. We can wait it out and let him develop but this is a team built to win now. He has a 2-3 mill team option next year I believe. In theory that sounds nice. Sounds like a low number for a guy with high potential but we need all the cap space we can get. I would try to get something for him before the trade deadline. Problem is his stock is probably pretty low right now. So we might just wait it out and see if he proves anything by the end of the year.

lol he's a project i think naught. ar has proven himself legit.

mda needs to play him, give him minutes when he can, kudos to mda and winning (love that) but mda has a bad side too, pulling stuff like this. play ar stop messing with the kids confidence. before he pulls up to a mcdonalds and says, f-it give me the curry with fries.

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12/7/2010  8:53 AM
cheers wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:i think Amare just needs to get in this kid's grille & challenge him to be the player he's got the talent to be... if he responds, great... if he doesn't, then he's not cut out for the spotlight in NY & we should probably trade his ass anyway.

You risk of really damaging this kid if Amare gets on his grill. AR just looks like he is very sensitive.

looks can be deceiving he probably has a big penis.

seb??

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12/7/2010  9:01 AM
franco12 wrote:When everyone says Randolph is not putting in the effort, how exactly do we know this to be a fact? Are we basing it on what we see, in terms of him not playing?

2nd that... He's 21. I havent heard a negative peep. Maybe its because we are winning so his lack of contributions arent really noticed, but I think its just like Bip said. He's played in 107 NBA games (with an 18mpg average). He played one NCAA season (30games?). I just think he doesnt know how to play yet. Sure he can dribble, shoot and score but he doesnt know when to do what when there are 9 other guys on the floor.

Let him keep working and he will get his chance. Might not even be this year.

Personally I like the idea of a pipeline here and a 21 year old who has great upside but isnt ready to play yet.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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12/7/2010  9:18 AM
I think that MDA is showing us that he will play anyone who can perform, and will take minutes from guys who don't. I have not seen him playing favorites this season.

When he thinks Randolph is ready, he will play him. A rhetorical question which should always be considered:Do any of us really know what is going on in Knicks' practices, and how individual players are looking in them?

Randolph has probably not shown the consistent decision making that MDA wants out of his players, and until he does his minutes are going to be limited.

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12/7/2010  9:25 AM
fishmike wrote:
franco12 wrote:When everyone says Randolph is not putting in the effort, how exactly do we know this to be a fact? Are we basing it on what we see, in terms of him not playing?

2nd that... He's 21. I havent heard a negative peep. Maybe its because we are winning so his lack of contributions arent really noticed, but I think its just like Bip said. He's played in 107 NBA games (with an 18mpg average). He played one NCAA season (30games?). I just think he doesnt know how to play yet. Sure he can dribble, shoot and score but he doesnt know when to do what when there are 9 other guys on the floor.

Let him keep working and he will get his chance. Might not even be this year.

Personally I like the idea of a pipeline here and a 21 year old who has great upside but isnt ready to play yet.

i would agree if ar didn't look absolutely miserable riding the pine. everything looks rosy when you winning. i lol'd when mda started chandler over turiaf for the minny game, so i check knicks live chat-- knick staff said coach plan is to "slowly" work turiaf in. slow must be two minutes, cause after minny beasted from tip off, mda put turiaf in with a quickness.

when coach needs you he grabs you, doesnt matter how good you are but if he doesnt need you he doesnt grab you. its not that ar is not good, he just doesnt feel he needs ar right now. the problem again is the kid looks miserable. ar wont hurt the W column if coach just gave him spots minutes here and there. this game is a lot about confidence ar needs to see coach believes in him.

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