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DurzoBlint
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12/6/2010  9:06 AM
I'd like to see Andy Rautins get another shot at the point.
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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12/6/2010  9:16 AM
misterearl wrote:earthman - great call on Jerome

Everyone in the country should know about the University of California’s Jerome Randle. He’s speedy. He shoots lights out. And this season, the senior guard has led the Golden Bears to the top of the Pacific-10 Conference. So what’s the hangup?

Size.

At 5-foot-10, 172 pounds, it is Randle’s only limiting factor, and the primary reason NBA scouts are overlooking him. Currently, most NBA mock drafts don’t even include Randle’s name as a possible selection. Not in the first round. Not in the second round. Nowhere. They have him going undrafted.

Randle, a top candidate for Pac-10 Player of the Year honors, has the numbers – he entered Saturday averaging 19.7 ppg and 4.6 apg – and the electrifying game to make him a household name at the next level. Maybe not as an NBA starter, but as a spark off the bench capable of lighting up the scoreboard? For sure.

Many of Randle’s attributes would be beneficial to an NBA team next season if one is wise enough to draft the Chicago, Illinois native. He is lightning-quick with incredible ball handling skills, and can get to the rim at will regardless of the defender guarding him. He also possesses great range on his jump shot and isn’t afraid to pull up a few feet from behind the 3-point line and nail them like they are 18-footers. When defenders move out to defend his perimeter game, he’s by them before they can react. And despite the speed and pace Randle frequently plays at, he is usually under control with the ball in his hands.

Randle dropped 33 points in a crucial February 11 win against Washington that kept the Bears atop the Pac-10 at 8-4.

“(Randle) is a really good offensive basketball player,” Washington coach Lorenzo Romar said after the game. He was zeroed in and focused and just played really efficient basketball. He was hard to stop.”

Randle also wreaked havoc on Washington State to the tune of 39 points (7-12 on 3-pointers) and 9 assists in a win on the Cougars’ home court on January 14.

Comparable players have made it at the next level. One is Aaron Brooks, another undersized point guard with cat-like quicks that used to torture the Pac-10. Brooks, now in his third season with the Houston Rockets, is starting and excelling as a pro. In fact, the University of Oregon product has almost identical numbers to Randle’s this year, and is considered one of the best young point guards in the league.

It’d be easy to overlook a player of Randle’s stature, especially with the size and talent of most guards currently residing in the NBA, but any team that drafts the Cal senior might just find a second-round steal who can help their franchise for years to come.

- Aaric Hickerson


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The kid is lightning quick, nice handle, drive, shot, and passing ability. A little small, but so what, wouldnt be the first time a player of his height made the NBA.


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12/6/2010  9:17 AM
franco12 wrote:What is wrong with Toney Douglas? And too bad he didn't play more last year so he might be further developed this year. But he couldn't be trusted to run the point on a 29 win team

nothing. he does exactly what is needed when he subbing for felton. toney interrupts the offense of the opposing team and challenges their defense. point guard is not a knick worry to me. there is nothing toney did wrong in the toronto game, toney gave the raptors fits.

as fishmike pointed out knicks too top heavy in relying on amar'e. who is going to be that shawn marion for the knicks to make elite teams pay for trying to stop amar'e

im not afraid of teams like the heat, who are playing superfriends ball with coach spo as an after thought. but when the knicks face elite teams like the celtics who are just the whole package, and who will plan ahead to stop amar'e-- then what

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12/6/2010  9:20 AM
franco12 wrote:What is wrong with Toney Douglas? And too bad he didn't play more last year so he might be further developed this year. But he couldn't be trusted to run the point on a 29 win team

yea... all these names, Jerome Randle, Paddie Mills... sorry but Douglas is simply better. Maybe its just a depth move because Rautins looks bad in practice, I dont know. Douglas strong point isnt running the offense but he's solid pushing the ball, doesnt turn it over and plays top flight defense. I have said this before... Go look at all the elite teams in the NBA and their backup PGs. Douglas stacks up quite well
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12/6/2010  9:22 AM
Where is Randle right now?

I'm a big Rautins supporter, but I don't think you put him out there as the main ball handler. Teams would scout that and press him.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/6/2010  9:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2010  10:24 AM
Franco12 -- you're right, there's nothing really 'wrong' with TD -- all things considered he's a quality backup point who has more pluses than minuses..The main issues here are these: overusing Felton, insurance at the point and then the games where the offense stalls and we need that little something.. We probably don't wanna wear down Ray with too many games where he's gotta go 35+ mins if possible. It's a long season and we're only about 1/4 of the way through..Also, the only negative with TD is when Ray has to sit and Toney has full control of the team -- we've all seen it--there are times where the offense completely stalls when Ray needs to rest..Toney just doesn't have the on-the-fly creative skills you expect out of a PG. Overall he's OK but at times he really struggles..In fact, I'd say he has some real tunnel vison problems going on at times...And God forbid anything ever happened to Ray, we're in big trouble.

DB I agree with you on Rautins..I don't have a problem with him the way others do..I think he's fine..He's far from a stiff--he had a nice little college career at Syracuse, played in some big games and excelled..And I think he was making some real strides running the team in pre-season..Give him a look first..He's got some creative ability and that jumper of his is a lethal weapon..Why not, unless he's just not bringing it & turning the corner in practice for some reason..

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12/6/2010  9:33 AM
Tony Douglas as a backup SG is great. He can defend the PG position like no other (and Raymond is strong enough to often guard the opposing SG), but when he leads the team he constantly misses open guys and seems a bit eratic and like a chicken with it's head cut off out there. Any of us who watch Douglas play don't want to trade him as he is too much on Defense and hopefully just in a prolonged offensive slump. I think it overwhelms him to try to play PG and score, as he can't seem to do both.
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12/6/2010  9:40 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Where is Randle right now?

I'm a big Rautins supporter, but I don't think you put him out there as the main ball handler. Teams would scout that and press him.

oh about rautins i would (seriously) love to add his dad to the knicks lineup of commentators.

if you watched the game online and saw his dad call the game for the raptors you will be a fan too. super cool fun knowledgeable did a great job as commentator. hire him dolan! so we can have our own clyde/breen/rautins superfriends show on the sidelines calling the game.

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12/6/2010  10:19 AM
would kinda make sense to get a big veteran PG.

TD can DWTDD on offense and guard the opposing teams PG. Veteran PG with size can guard opposing team's 2 on defense and run the offense. I imagine him passing to TD coming off curls when we need some scoring or teams are overloading on Amare.

Maybe Eric Snow. haha.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/6/2010  10:28 AM
The only reason it seems Toney doesn't hurt us as much is cause he's logging a lot of minutes at SG, with Felton running the show.

But every 2nd and 4th quarter when Raymond takes his 4-5 minute break, our offense goes stagnant. Frankly put, Toney underwhelms as a point guard, and Mike D even sees this cause he's relying more and more on Raymond lately, increasing his minutes to close to 40 mpg. All we need is a vet PG (someone with decent height, like 6'4 would be ideal) to sub in for Raymond earlier, and let TD continue playing SG, while guarding opposing PG's.

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12/6/2010  10:29 AM
Jason Williams would be perfect.
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12/6/2010  10:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2010  10:58 AM
We need to trade because nobody is cutting Rautins. We don't need a project, we need to trade an NBA player who contributes for another one. SOmebody needs a shooting SF type and somebody out there has a PG buried on the bench but in playing shape ready to go.

Rautins has yet to prove he can stay, but also has proven at some level justification to keep and develop. Coaches see somthing in the kid.

Also we keep Mason even if he is struggling. He might be having problems we don't know about or not picking up the system quite yet do to lack of playing time. We just don't know. Azubukkake migh never play this season for us and he still has a long way to go and has to still crack the rotation.

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12/6/2010  10:54 AM
cheers wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Where is Randle right now?

I'm a big Rautins supporter, but I don't think you put him out there as the main ball handler. Teams would scout that and press him.

oh about rautins i would (seriously) love to add his dad to the knicks lineup of commentators.

if you watched the game online and saw his dad call the game for the raptors you will be a fan too. super cool fun knowledgeable did a great job as commentator. hire him dolan! so we can have our own clyde/breen/rautins superfriends show on the sidelines calling the game.

I really liked his dad calling the game. Maybe he was careful as his son is on this team but he spoke on equal terms. He spoke VERY highly of Fields, which made me kind of shocked as the guy is just a rookie but I guess even a Knick's fan like me can lose sight of how good Fields is.

I actually like Clyde calling games, love his vocabulary, it's rambunctious in a good way.

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12/6/2010  11:00 AM

Been catching some non knick broadcasts on League pass and most speak very high on Fields. Its also talkin points for them to inject info to the more causual fan.

Fields is the leading guard rebounder in the league!

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12/6/2010  11:17 AM
I love Toney. His defense and energy are huge. But he's not ready to be a prime-time back-up point on a playoff team. He just makes too many bad decisions when he's running the point in a half-court game against good d. So I'm totally in favor going after a veteran point to play 0-15 mins a game. If Toney's got it going, our new guy will get the occasional DNP/CD. If we're in a tight game where we're having trouble pushing pace, the new vet might log as many as 15 mins.

We need a Chris Duhon-type player. Only 1/2 joking. As bad as he was as a starter, he's got the right skill set for what we need in this role. Needs to be able to run the pnr. Needs to be able to can an open J in pressure situations. Needs to be team-first guy who won't whine if he goes a few games w/o burn. Needs to play decent d (okay, Dudu is out). I don't know if we get all that for Bill Walker, but if can, I'd be thrilled. Williams is looking loads better than Walker -- and when Buke comes back, Walker will be stuck on the bench for sure.

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12/6/2010  11:22 AM
yup i just watched the replay of the game, the dad of rauttins is a very good commentator too bad he is the canadian head coach so that means he will stay with the raptors....

in the case of the back up pg, i really hope they send rautins to the dleague just to practice his ball handling skills then make an assessment on him if he is ready, if not they can sign antonio daniels and waive roger mason jr who has brought nothing to this team

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12/6/2010  11:31 AM
thejerk wrote:The kid is lightning quick, nice handle, drive, shot, and passing ability. A little small, but so what, wouldnt be the first time a player of his height made the NBA.


That's the funnies video EVER. Dude is like 5'9" and every guy who was guarding him was like a half foot shorter. This the all midget league

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12/6/2010  11:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2010  11:39 AM
I don't think the backup PG is a talent grab. I think we need a veteran that can run an offense and get the second unit back running the offense when they start the one on one, three point jack up nonsense. We need someone that can fix that stuff when it happens, not get sucked into it and contribute to it. That's why I picture a vet. A career starter who is now in a back up role. Or a career back up that has played for good teams.
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12/6/2010  11:47 AM
Do you guys think this recent move to trade Walker for a backup PG is a sign that the Knicks are working on a deal for Melo that includes TD? I agree that he has been underwhelming as a backup PG, but he is an attractive trade asset as a combo/scoring guard. He has hella good defensive instincts and skills. It would not surprise me if this is all connected to our future moves.
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12/6/2010  11:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2010  11:49 AM
Bippity10 wrote:I don't think the backup PG is a talent grab. I think we need a veteran that can run an offense and get the second unit back running the offense when they start the one on one, three point jack up nonsense. We need someone that can fix that stuff when it happens, not get sucked into it and contribute to it. That's why I picture a vet. A career starter who is now in a back up role. Or a career back up that has played for good teams.

That's fine -- as long as it's an expiring deal. I'm not overpaying past this year for a veteran anything..I want all of our assets and cap room intact for the most part..I'm fine with dealing a Billy Walker though, now that Williams has emerged..

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