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loweyecue
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12/4/2010  5:58 PM
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cheers wrote:such a long season and even longer playoffs-- when you take into account the pressure to be spot-on every game. knicks need breathing room. either in trading for a star or filling the bench. it would be helpful if this can be worked out by trade deadline.

cause if the knicks go pass deadline without helping amar'e and felton. knicks will be needlessly putting on miles to their career speedometer. this is not a year to wear the two captains out. wear 'em out when ny is going balls to wall for a title run.

Your right, we dont need to mess with these two kids careers at this point, plus Amare may have some knee concerns...David Lee would be an ideal backup to Amare and I wish we could have kept him for that role, but unfortunately he is a starter. As for Duhon, I wouldnt mind him being a backup to Raymond, but who's minutes would he take, I am unsure if I would give him TD'S minutes at the moment...

Well if he was backing up Felton, wouldn't he be taking Felton's minutes? Isn't that why we need another PG?

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12/4/2010  6:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2010  6:31 PM

clean trade that brings a good character guy to the kings (they desperately need). knicks get an immature rookie in desperate need himself of a big brother, amar'e. this trade helps stat reduce his minutes.

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12/4/2010  7:03 PM
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thejerk wrote:
cheers wrote:such a long season and even longer playoffs-- when you take into account the pressure to be spot-on every game. knicks need breathing room. either in trading for a star or filling the bench. it would be helpful if this can be worked out by trade deadline.

cause if the knicks go pass deadline without helping amar'e and felton. knicks will be needlessly putting on miles to their career speedometer. this is not a year to wear the two captains out. wear 'em out when ny is going balls to wall for a title run.

Your right, we dont need to mess with these two kids careers at this point, plus Amare may have some knee concerns...David Lee would be an ideal backup to Amare and I wish we could have kept him for that role, but unfortunately he is a starter. As for Duhon, I wouldnt mind him being a backup to Raymond, but who's minutes would he take, I am unsure if I would give him TD'S minutes at the moment...

Well if he was backing up Felton, wouldn't he be taking Felton's minutes? Isn't that why we need another PG?

He would have taken away minutes from both, currently TD is playing some backup point, those minutes would go to someone else.

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12/4/2010  7:05 PM
cheers wrote:

clean trade that brings a good character guy to the kings (they desperately need). knicks get an immature rookie in desperate need himself of a big brother, amar'e. this trade helps stat reduce his minutes.

Yea I am not trying to trade a nice player/chip that we have for a body to spell Amare....this being said would you guys do Gallo for Lopez straight up right now?

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12/4/2010  7:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2010  7:19 PM
^ cousins is not just a body, he is an upgrade, that can rest amar'e.

only reason why kings do the trade is well, ha, read the headlines on cousins.

about lopez, historically trades rarely take place within conference. plus i cant remember the last time knicks\nets ever traded anything but insults with each other.

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12/4/2010  7:29 PM
cheers wrote:^ cousins is not just a body, he is an upgrade, that can rest amar'e.

only reason why kings do the trade is well, ha, read the headlines on cousins.

about lopez, historically trades rarely take place within conference. plus i cant remember the last time knicks\nets ever traded anything but insults with each other.

Im not asking if it would actually happen, but whether you would pull the trigger on it, as for Cousins, while I probably would, the chemistry the Knicks have going on is more important than taking a chance on Cousin's talent.

A 6'11 big would be good though, especially with Melo waiting to play the three hopefully....just that locker room kinda scares me, reminds me a little of this...

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12/4/2010  7:35 PM
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cheers wrote:^ cousins is not just a body, he is an upgrade, that can rest amar'e.

only reason why kings do the trade is well, ha, read the headlines on cousins.

about lopez, historically trades rarely take place within conference. plus i cant remember the last time knicks\nets ever traded anything but insults with each other.

Im not asking if it would actually happen, but whether you would pull the trigger on it, as for Cousins, while I probably would, the chemistry the Knicks have going on is more important than taking a chance on Cousin's talent.

A 6'11 big would be good though, especially with Melo waiting to play the three hopefully....just that locker room kinda scares me, reminds me a little of this...

lopez as a knick, im sold.

and for once i am not worried about knicks chemistry, thanks to amar'e. im worried about losing amar'e. when houston went down it set the knicks back for years.

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12/4/2010  8:17 PM
yea imagine lopez with melo, amare and felton, with landry, moz, turiaf, azu, ar, chandler, td...

I think that teams beats out the hawks, for a top four seed, give them some time playing with each other and adding some MLE'S to move even closer to the top.

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12/4/2010  9:22 PM
amare is getting paid like almost a mill ever 2 wks to play 6 to 8 games..are you kidding me.

I'm sure when these guys need a blow, they let the coach know. Most of the players that where on the suns are still going strong, and haven't suffered from any major injury.

mosgov (hands of stone) and bill desreve to be benched last night, the stat line alone can tell you that, but watching live was even more of a indication.

I'm not worried about the mins, we need to win games, and whenever we solidfy a playoff spot, thats when I would considered cutting back on mins...if thats not til game 75, so be it

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12/4/2010  9:23 PM
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12/5/2010  2:57 AM
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scoshin wrote:- Put more trust in AR...the only way to develop this kid I feel is to give him meaningful playing time, and not have such a short leash.
- Sign Antonio Daniels or Anthony Johnson or Rafer Alston in FA as backup PG.

+1 on bringing Rafer here.

No way to Rafer Alston. We finally have some good chemsitry amongst the players and some good character guys. We dont need any possible headcases that can interupt the chemistry in the lockerroom.

yeah i don't think Rafer & MDA would mesh... he's got some maturity issues.

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12/5/2010  2:58 AM
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clean trade that brings a good character guy to the kings (they desperately need). knicks get an immature rookie in desperate need himself of a big brother, amar'e. this trade helps stat reduce his minutes.

do u think MDA's gonna wanna babysit a guy like Cousins? i don't... that kid's got huge talent but he's also got huge maturity issues himself.

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12/5/2010  3:19 AM
thejerk wrote:Because we don't have any big to compliment Amare and our depth at PG is pathetic (we dont have a true backup pg...wtf?) It will be only a matter of time that these two will be burnt out by years end or worse, get injured.

They can not be expected to play over 40 minutes night, we need to make a move soon, or at least by the deadline, you guys have anybody you would like to see run the point for like 10-15 minutes a game? I think Donnie may have envisioned Rautins for this role but so far it looks like all he can do is shoot.

Hopefully Rautins and (dont laugh) Curry can prove something in practice, earn some playing time, and relieve our top two players from the wear and tear.

a couple of PG's i would consider trying out are Brevin Knight & Jannero Pargo... Brevin's on the old side at 35 but i've always liked the way he played the game... he's a great character guy too so there's no worry of potential issues in the lockerroom & he's always been a good orchestrator & stellar defensive player on the perimeter with a solid midrange J... i think he could run the PnR well w/Amare to spell Felton if need be... Pargo's a terrific 3 pt shooter & good defensive player but not that great of an orchestrator, so he might be a little redundant w/Toney Douglas, but he could easily fill Eddie House's role from last season.

maybe give Chris Mihm or Jake Voskuhl a try at backup C position too... Mihm's a good midrange shooter & has a decent low post game... Voskuhl already knows MDA's system from his days in Phoenix & is familiar w/Amare's game as well... he brings some defensive tenacity that could spell Turiaf off the bench while Mozgov develops more of his game.

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12/5/2010  8:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2010  8:50 AM
I am definitely worried about Amare's minutes and not so worried about Felton. If you take away that double overtime game his minutes are less then his career high from two years ago. Plus he's 26 with no injury history and there are plenty of PG's that have put up similar minutes. That being said, I do agree that we really need a back up PG. I do think we will grab one if one becomes available. I also think at the trade deadline that will be one of our targets.

It's funny, I hated the guy but I think Duhon might actually be the best fit as a backup PG(if he'd stop drinking)

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12/5/2010  10:04 AM
knicks1248 - "amare is getting paid like almost a mill ever 2 wks to play 6 to 8 games..are you kidding me."

First, let's get one thing straight...

Amar'e is NOT getting paid to play a game. He is getting paid because on the open marketplace his rare talents have measurable value brands competing for consumers. Amar'e is getting paid to drive Cablevision profits for shareholders, sell NYK branded merchandise, appear as the face of the most valuable NBA franchise in the largest media market in the world, to sell more expensive seats in the renovated Madison Square Garden, bolster David Stern's street cred on the international stage and for the added cash value of profitable playoff games in April.

No kidding.

Do not kid yourself with a resentful and narrow view knicks1248. Amar'e makes the big bucks because that is what he is worth.

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12/5/2010  4:21 PM
I looked at Amare's minutes per game, and he's playing 38 per game right now. That's about 3 above his career average. It doesn't seem like a big deal.
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12/6/2010  9:33 AM
misterearl wrote:knicks1248 - "amare is getting paid like almost a mill ever 2 wks to play 6 to 8 games..are you kidding me."

First, let's get one thing straight...

Amar'e is NOT getting paid to play a game. He is getting paid because on the open marketplace his rare talents have measurable value brands competing for consumers. Amar'e is getting paid to drive Cablevision profits for shareholders, sell NYK branded merchandise, appear as the face of the most valuable NBA franchise in the largest media market in the world, to sell more expensive seats in the renovated Madison Square Garden, bolster David Stern's street cred on the international stage and for the added cash value of profitable playoff games in April.

No kidding.

Do not kid yourself with a resentful and narrow view knicks1248. Amar'e makes the big bucks because that is what he is worth.

Yup

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12/6/2010  9:47 AM
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misterearl wrote:knicks1248 - "amare is getting paid like almost a mill ever 2 wks to play 6 to 8 games..are you kidding me."

First, let's get one thing straight...

Amar'e is NOT getting paid to play a game. He is getting paid because on the open marketplace his rare talents have measurable value brands competing for consumers. Amar'e is getting paid to drive Cablevision profits for shareholders, sell NYK branded merchandise, appear as the face of the most valuable NBA franchise in the largest media market in the world, to sell more expensive seats in the renovated Madison Square Garden, bolster David Stern's street cred on the international stage and for the added cash value of profitable playoff games in April.

No kidding.

Do not kid yourself with a resentful and narrow view knicks1248. Amar'e makes the big bucks because that is what he is worth.

Yup

i completely agree with bip.

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12/6/2010  11:14 AM
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Bippity10 wrote:
misterearl wrote:knicks1248 - "amare is getting paid like almost a mill ever 2 wks to play 6 to 8 games..are you kidding me."

First, let's get one thing straight...

Amar'e is NOT getting paid to play a game. He is getting paid because on the open marketplace his rare talents have measurable value brands competing for consumers. Amar'e is getting paid to drive Cablevision profits for shareholders, sell NYK branded merchandise, appear as the face of the most valuable NBA franchise in the largest media market in the world, to sell more expensive seats in the renovated Madison Square Garden, bolster David Stern's street cred on the international stage and for the added cash value of profitable playoff games in April.

No kidding.

Do not kid yourself with a resentful and narrow view knicks1248. Amar'e makes the big bucks because that is what he is worth.

Yup

i completely agree with bip.

Thanks. A lot of thought went in to my post and it's nice to know that it was appreciated

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12/6/2010  10:59 PM
stat 39 minutes last game to beat a team with a .238 record
Concerned about the amount of PT Amare and Felton are getting.

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