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Amare Stoudemire--best player in the league
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FireIsiah
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12/4/2010  4:12 PM
MVP in the league so far.
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12/4/2010  4:20 PM
He blocks shots but only gets 8 rebounds a game. His defense is average at best.
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12/4/2010  4:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2010  4:40 PM
His post defense hasn't been good. His help d has been really good but he's had some lapses. His shot blocking has been fantastic and especially clutch. MVP candidate depending on whether we keep winning like this.
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12/4/2010  4:45 PM
tj23 wrote:His post defense hasn't been good. His help d has been really good but he's had some lapses. His shot blocking has been fantastic and especially clutch. MVP candidate depending on whether we keep winning like this.

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12/4/2010  4:47 PM
If Amare can make Knicks into a winner he will definitely be in the MVP convo for sure....

He is not best player in NBA IMO but he has been playing as good as anyone thats for sure!!

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12/4/2010  5:36 PM
If you look at it from the perspective of impact on the team then he is head and shoulders above the rest. Is he as well rounded as Kobe or Durant, no that he will never be. But I put more value in numbers than in skill so I am have no problem seeing him get the MVP award if he can keep this up and the team can keep winning.
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12/4/2010  6:59 PM
well, the past week he has been playing bananas and he should win nba player of the week. he took many by surprised, including me, with his play and is playing like the best pf in the league right now. amazing since the nba is full of good pfs. is he the best player period? no. i think when its all said and done, durant, bron bron and kobe will be ahead soon. even howard is doing well and throws his hat into the ring. i am worried with the minutes he is logging, tho. if he goes down, then our season goes down, no question.
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12/4/2010  7:10 PM
jazz74 wrote:well, the past week he has been playing bananas and he should win nba player of the week. he took many by surprised, including me, with his play and is playing like the best pf in the league right now. amazing since the nba is full of good pfs. is he the best player period? no. i think when its all said and done, durant, bron bron and kobe will be ahead soon. even howard is doing well and throws his hat into the ring. i am worried with the minutes he is logging, tho. if he goes down, then our season goes down, no question.

The same goes for Kobe, Durant, Howard and Bron a well. None of those teams will get anywhere if they are out for the season.

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12/4/2010  10:36 PM
I think he has just been a tremedous teammate and leader. The Knicks have lacked leadership and accountability for a long time. Amare is a vocal leader, the hardest worker, and the most intense guy on the court. His presence and play have transformed the team.
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12/4/2010  10:38 PM
fishmike wrote:If your suprised by this you didn't watch the suns last year. Best record 2nd half of the nba and amare was the best player. He's a top ten player for sure.. Playing like a top 3 player right now


yea, pretty much agree, but the problem with some is that they attributed amare's success mostly to steve nash, and we can see that is not really the cast.. amare is legit..

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12/4/2010  11:33 PM
More like, Coach Mike D'Antoni, best coach in the league.
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12/4/2010  11:49 PM
orangeblobman wrote:More like, Coach Mike D'Antoni, best coach in the league.
Without Amare there wouldn't be a coach D'Antoni. D'Antoni knows how to do one thing well, let his best player run things in and out of the locker room. He sucks butt without a top 5 player and there are only 4-5 franchises that have that guy. D'Antoni has won at an incredibly high rate when he had 3-4 all stars and at least 2 hof players on his team including the mvp. When he did not have that he lost at an incredibly high rate. He is in his 9th year. He has four years of tremendous success and 4 years of epic failure. His tenure in NY has shown him to be rigid, a poor communicator, a poor game planner, a bad end of game coach, a coach not willing to work with players that need to be taught aspects of the game, a coach that can't work with any player that lacks maturity despite having talent.

I love this team, its heart, character and work ethic. However, a lot would have to change for you to convince me that it was because of D'Antoni and not because of Amare, Turiaf and Felton's leadership.

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12/5/2010  12:25 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:More like, Coach Mike D'Antoni, best coach in the league.
Without Amare there wouldn't be a coach D'Antoni. D'Antoni knows how to do one thing well, let his best player run things in and out of the locker room. He sucks butt without a top 5 player and there are only 4-5 franchises that have that guy. D'Antoni has won at an incredibly high rate when he had 3-4 all stars and at least 2 hof players on his team including the mvp. When he did not have that he lost at an incredibly high rate. He is in his 9th year. He has four years of tremendous success and 4 years of epic failure. His tenure in NY has shown him to be rigid, a poor communicator, a poor game planner, a bad end of game coach, a coach not willing to work with players that need to be taught aspects of the game, a coach that can't work with any player that lacks maturity despite having talent.

I love this team, its heart, character and work ethic. However, a lot would have to change for you to convince me that it was because of D'Antoni and not because of Amare, Turiaf and Felton's leadership.

It always starts with the talent. Every good coach needs good talent. Still Mike is the one that has given the players the specific roles they have. He has to adjust the system just enough for these guys to shine and they have picked it up very well since the beginning of the season. We don't have 3-4 All Stars and this is one of the youngest teams in the league. To assume that Mike has little to no effect on how these guys play is STUPID!!! Yeah I said it!!! All of Mike's teams have great conditioning and stamina to run for 48 minutes and he teaches them to play well at that fast pace. Lots of other teams like the Bobcats and Hornets actually look to slow the pace down in order to cut down on mistakes but our team thrives playing fast. That's no accident that all of Mike's teams can do that.

This system has been proven to be one that can produce great results when the players in the system execute it properly. The work that goes into getting the players to do that is what the coach is there for. When the players have poor spacing and aren't moving the ball and themselves, or running the sets properly, it's Mike who has to get them refocused. We don't have the best offensive talent in the league but we have one of the best offenses in the league! You don't just roll the ball out and that just happens.

Even before Amar'e the roles that Mike sets up in his system remain the same. Lee was in the Amar'e spot and benefitted from that role. The same spacing and PnR plays. Don't try to ignore the fact that Amar'e thrives in this system and it actually helps him to get off. Back when Felton and Amar'e didn't have their timing down, nor spacing and when the rest of the team also hadn't gotten the spacing and ball movement down. it was easier to stop Amar'e. Mike worked with them to fix that and now the spacing all the way around is much better and Amar'e has tons of room to operate and dominate. Once again,You don't just roll the ball out and that just happens.

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12/5/2010  12:26 AM
loweyecue wrote:
jazz74 wrote:well, the past week he has been playing bananas and he should win nba player of the week. he took many by surprised, including me, with his play and is playing like the best pf in the league right now. amazing since the nba is full of good pfs. is he the best player period? no. i think when its all said and done, durant, bron bron and kobe will be ahead soon. even howard is doing well and throws his hat into the ring. i am worried with the minutes he is logging, tho. if he goes down, then our season goes down, no question.

The same goes for Kobe, Durant, Howard and Bron a well. None of those teams will get anywhere if they are out for the season.

true, but non of them have the medical history like amare does. he is more at risk than any of them.

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12/5/2010  12:55 AM
jazz74 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
jazz74 wrote:well, the past week he has been playing bananas and he should win nba player of the week. he took many by surprised, including me, with his play and is playing like the best pf in the league right now. amazing since the nba is full of good pfs. is he the best player period? no. i think when its all said and done, durant, bron bron and kobe will be ahead soon. even howard is doing well and throws his hat into the ring. i am worried with the minutes he is logging, tho. if he goes down, then our season goes down, no question.

The same goes for Kobe, Durant, Howard and Bron a well. None of those teams will get anywhere if they are out for the season.

true, but non of them have the medical history like amare does. he is more at risk than any of them.

how is that? amare knees have been fine for some years now.. How many proceedures has kobe had on his knees? honestly, all it takes is one bad fall to be out a season and that will have nothing to do with your past medical history..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/5/2010  8:49 AM
tkf wrote:
jazz74 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
jazz74 wrote:well, the past week he has been playing bananas and he should win nba player of the week. he took many by surprised, including me, with his play and is playing like the best pf in the league right now. amazing since the nba is full of good pfs. is he the best player period? no. i think when its all said and done, durant, bron bron and kobe will be ahead soon. even howard is doing well and throws his hat into the ring. i am worried with the minutes he is logging, tho. if he goes down, then our season goes down, no question.

The same goes for Kobe, Durant, Howard and Bron a well. None of those teams will get anywhere if they are out for the season.

true, but non of them have the medical history like amare does. he is more at risk than any of them.

how is that? amare knees have been fine for some years now.. How many proceedures has kobe had on his knees? honestly, all it takes is one bad fall to be out a season and that will have nothing to do with your past medical history..

ok if past medical history does not account. how about this, knicks and knees, its a cursed history.

no reason for amar'e to do forty plus minutes in the hornets game, but he had to do it. fans posted in game thread that it wasnt a really stellar game by the hornets yet stat could not sit/rest, to save him up for the games that do get brutal.

Amare Stoudemire--best player in the league

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