SupremeCommander wrote:I cannot understand why people think AI2 would be a bad fit here. I really cannot.

He's going to get pushed out because of Evan Turner. You can see his numbers taking a hit because of it. But this season:

14 pts on 45 FG% and 38 3p%, 7 RPG, 5 APG, 2 BPG, and 1 SPG

The Knicks NEED a legitimate perimeter threat, needs one more "go-to" layer. And he hits enough "hustle" stats where he's proven to be effective without the ball. So he would shine here without the ball, and contribute in a big way on the wing with it.

He'd also play at SG, where the team needs someone to play and excel--and at this point I'm comfortable saying the team only needs a third option. Melo appeals because Felton becomes the third option. But I'm also comfortable enough saying Amar'e is a LEGIT first option, and Felton has looked good as a second... and he's 26

AI2 also wouldn't cost too much in a trade too, because he's overpaid. But it isn't my money and he's a perfect fit on the CURRENT team. Again, I have doubts of it being a championship contender, unless one of the Yoots takes a giant step. But that is a team taht will play EVERY May and maybe get to June. Win it all? depends on some internal growth.

If he was a 38-40% threat from outside, he'd be a great fit. He showed his summer that he doesn't need the ball to have an impact on the game.However if you look at his career #s, he's actually a 32% career shooter from outside. There's no upward trend in his outside shooting either.

Check it out: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3826/career;_ylt=ApsnhtngQGE7TrNibb7OeRL6PKB4

Unless he worked on his range during the offseason, most likely these 13 games are a fluke. Iggy's been in the league for 6 seasons now. Not sure if he just didn't put in time to improve his outside shot or he did put in time and just can't hit em in games but the #s say he's not an outside shooter.

SupremeCommander wrote:I don't like Iggy and Melo... I do think if could get Marion to do what he did in Phoenix, he could get Iggy to be pretty nasty too. That said, I don't necessarily think Amar'e, Felton, and Iggy is a championship trio. That is a pretty nasty core though

Iggy in NY. Sounds like we need Marbles with an Uzi in the truck. Why not see if we can lure AI from the Turkocup games, get Plaxico to play backup SF? We won't get out of the first round, but think of what the comPost back pages would be like...

A Bermanesque renaissance

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I cannot understand why people think AI2 would be a bad fit here. I really cannot.

He's going to get pushed out because of Evan Turner. You can see his numbers taking a hit because of it. But this season:

14 pts on 45 FG% and 38 3p%, 7 RPG, 5 APG, 2 BPG, and 1 SPG

The Knicks NEED a legitimate perimeter threat, needs one more "go-to" layer. And he hits enough "hustle" stats where he's proven to be effective without the ball. So he would shine here without the ball, and contribute in a big way on the wing with it.

He'd also play at SG, where the team needs someone to play and excel--and at this point I'm comfortable saying the team only needs a third option. Melo appeals because Felton becomes the third option. But I'm also comfortable enough saying Amar'e is a LEGIT first option, and Felton has looked good as a second... and he's 26

AI2 also wouldn't cost too much in a trade too, because he's overpaid. But it isn't my money and he's a perfect fit on the CURRENT team. Again, I have doubts of it being a championship contender, unless one of the Yoots takes a giant step. But that is a team taht will play EVERY May and maybe get to June. Win it all? depends on some internal growth.

If he was a 38-40% threat from outside, he'd be a great fit. He showed his summer that he doesn't need the ball to have an impact on the game.However if you look at his career #s, he's actually a 32% career shooter from outside. There's no upward trend in his outside shooting either.

Check it out: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3826/career;_ylt=ApsnhtngQGE7TrNibb7OeRL6PKB4

Unless he worked on his range during the offseason, most likely these 13 games are a fluke. Iggy's been in the league for 6 seasons now. Not sure if he just didn't put in time to improve his outside shot or he did put in time and just can't hit em in games but the #s say he's not an outside shooter.

AI2 is a really good, at one time, second option or third, that was asked to be the guy on a bad team. He's essentially a more talented version of Crawford in that regard. He was asked to do too much and I think his 3P% will be ~35% if he can pick and choose his shots more wisely, though I do agree he isn't a 40% three point specialist

All that said, I do think the Knicks need a consistent scoring option from the perimeter. He isn't the best distance shooter, but he can get to the rack and he can also distribute the ball. He's also got playoff experience and I really like that, a young star with playoff experience that can mentor the younger guys.

Typically, I am not really a fan of his, but Shawn Marion was a similar type player and he was a statistical STUD with . Maybe the Knicks could spend the cap space more wisely, but I do think he is as good of a fit as there is for this roster.

They were starved for big men, so Iggy--who would play SG here--played PF for the gold medal team, and did a great job there, despite what he was asked to do the during the 2009-10 season:

With the departure of Andre Miller, it was expected that Andre Iguodala would run the offense from the point-forward position under new Head Coach Eddie Jordan. However, Lou Williams ended up running the offense as the starting point guard until a broken jaw forced him to sit out almost a month. In that time, Iguodala became the primary facilitator on offense, often running the offense from the point-forward position when either Willie Green or Jrue Holiday were playing at the point, with Jrue eventually becoming the starting point guard. Andre also had averaged career bests in rebounds, assists, and blocks, and a career low in personal fouls. He finished the year averaging 17.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.8 apg, and 1.7 spg. Iguodala, however, ended the season as the lowest leading scorer for all NBA teams that season.

Again, the money likely could be spent elsewhere. But I cannot think of a better third option than AI2, especially on this roster, with a coach that loves versatile, flexible players. I suppose the question would be whether or not the money would be better spent on a first or second option.

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

sisqo8 wrote:what about this would you trde gallo azu and moz for iggy which then keeps options open for melo... still have curry and chandler who can walk....

why they do it

promise in moz and gallo i would think gets it done and we also keep our options open for melo the way felton is playing we keep him around forget cp3 and we have a line up of

Amare
turiaf
melo
iggy
felton

and off the bench we would have randolph,douglas,bill walker and landry of the bench def a group i would like to go to war with good defensively melo amare and felton definitly aint a bad offensive punch it would be a hell of a fast break

just a thought

NO...that looks like a talented starting line up, those players don't complement each other

u got 2 defensive minded perimeter players who both excel in the open floor, u have an elite go to scorer at the SF that can get u baskets when everything else breaks down, u got a dominant low post presence in the paint & a terrific role playing vet that loves to do the dirty work inside... seems pretty complementary to me.

1st of all, iggy is a iso player, melo needs 25 shots to score 25 points. what your thinking is that these guys will adjust there games according to the system, that easier said then done. You maybe able to get that transformation out of a young player, but not from guys knee deep in there prime.

iggy is not a strong 3 point threat (trust me he's on my fantasy team) he's a slasher, we need a kevin martin type sg. Having three scorers on a team is never complementry

i would agree ideally u would want a Kevin Martin type SG to pair up with a Shawn Marion type SF playing next to Felton & Amare in this system... i think that gives u the most balance of all... who do u think we can realistically get that would fill those roles that would represent an upgrade over what we already have tho? it's easy to say we need this player & that player but u ave to think about what we can realistically pursue... waiting for AR to turn into thatShawn Marion style F right now seems like wishful thinking to me... it could happen sure, but how long will we have to wait if it ever does? are we on another 3-4 year holding pattern here or are we going to make some moves to finally get back to real contention?

TMS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

sisqo8 wrote:what about this would you trde gallo azu and moz for iggy which then keeps options open for melo... still have curry and chandler who can walk....

why they do it

promise in moz and gallo i would think gets it done and we also keep our options open for melo the way felton is playing we keep him around forget cp3 and we have a line up of

Amare
turiaf
melo
iggy
felton

and off the bench we would have randolph,douglas,bill walker and landry of the bench def a group i would like to go to war with good defensively melo amare and felton definitly aint a bad offensive punch it would be a hell of a fast break

just a thought

NO...that looks like a talented starting line up, those players don't complement each other

u got 2 defensive minded perimeter players who both excel in the open floor, u have an elite go to scorer at the SF that can get u baskets when everything else breaks down, u got a dominant low post presence in the paint & a terrific role playing vet that loves to do the dirty work inside... seems pretty complementary to me.

1st of all, iggy is a iso player, melo needs 25 shots to score 25 points. what your thinking is that these guys will adjust there games according to the system, that easier said then done. You maybe able to get that transformation out of a young player, but not from guys knee deep in there prime.

iggy is not a strong 3 point threat (trust me he's on my fantasy team) he's a slasher, we need a kevin martin type sg. Having three scorers on a team is never complementry

i would agree ideally u would want a Kevin Martin type SG to pair up with a Shawn Marion type SF playing next to Felton & Amare in this system... i think that gives u the most balance of all... who do u think we can realistically get that would fill those roles that would represent an upgrade over what we already have tho? it's easy to say we need this player & that player but u ave to think about what we can realistically pursue... waiting for AR to turn into thatShawn Marion style F right now seems like wishful thinking to me... it could happen sure, but how long will we have to wait if it ever does? are we on another 3-4 year holding pattern here or are we going to make some moves to finally get back to real contention?

Anything can happen if we continue to win and guy's continue to increase there value. 10 months ago you would never guess that the rockets would trade (ariza) after signing him as a FA 6 months prior.

I think when your looking for teams to trade with, it's most likely going to be with a team thats under achieving, and the rockets fit that discription, philly does as well, but not as much.

I would take melo and only melo, and at this point, you have to figure that if WC keeps getting better on both ends, trading him will be very difficult.