You say Amare is "inconsequential" from behind the 3 point line. I say Amare will make a 3 pointer to win the game for the Knicks this year. That means not only that he can make the shot, but also that his coach wants him to take the shot. Do we have a bet?

BRIGGS wrote:Randolph--personally I like AR and would like to keep him long term. I think he should be integrated back in without having to look over his shoulder but I don't see that happening. The best thing for Anthony would be a 5- 10 game stint in the d league and to concentrate on the interior part of the game. If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle and explosion over the next 9 months and adds 1-2 low post moves into his game along with a nice 10-12 footer--he can be reborn here as a player. The worst thing that happened to AR since he was traded here was allowing him to move beyond the 3 pt line. Id like to see him in some P+R with his few minutes--go get 2-4 rebounds and block a shot. Maybe over 40 games or so--he could be a guy that garners more minutes. I suggested moving him for a player who is also young but may be more of fit becasue I want to win now with this club--becasue it has a chance to be a really good club. But if we keep staus quo--a there must emphasis to get AR to a level where he can go 15-20 minutes without giving MDA a coronary. Concentrating on low post moves/interior play pick and roll offensive + D rebounding + good D--he might be able to cut down on the mistakes and pick up the efficiency he needs here.

yes. the issue may be ny just doesnt really have control of its own dleague team for him to be brought there and (upon instruction by d'antoni) developed to fit into the knicks system.

it will get worse in 2011 when the nets take complete control of the springfield armor. dolan just doesnt seem to want to spend on the dleague, the way (frankly) the nets do.

BRIGGS wrote:

rvwink wrote:I wrote this thread because I was really interested in hearing informed opinions about whether you guys think Wilson Chandler will continue in the starting lineup at power forward and Amare will start at center when Turiaf returns and why D'Antoni is making that move.

There have been a lot of knowledgeable guys posting here. Isn't anyone willing to share their opinion about whether Amare returns to Power Forward when Turiaf returns, or stays at Center going forward?

Its not a question in my mind--we are more explosive diverse and talented with Chandler playing 40 minutes.

Either way Chandler is still going to get his minutes whether he is starting or not. So the question is about how you want your rotation to look. With Chandler starting you now have Turiaf, Douglas, Walker, Mozgov as your main components coming off the bench. Good players but not a lot of scoring to end the first and 3rd quarters. This can be a death nail. I think the whole purpose behind bringing Chandler off the bench is to provide the second team with a second legitimate offensive player(Douglas is legit when he's playing well). Chandler is going against 2nd stringers that he can dominate, is a leader of this second group and can help us hopefully maintain leads. Eitehr way, starting is overrated because he will still be on the court during crunch time.

I personally prefer the line-up with Turiaf. For the reasons mentioned above and it keeps us from having to double to start games against bigger teams. It's not like the Chandler line-up is hurting us. It's obviously a solid line-up, but to me it's not as balanced. Our bench has taken a big hit in scoring since Turiaf went out.

BRIGGS wrote:Randolph--personally I like AR and would like to keep him long term. I think he should be integrated back in without having to look over his shoulder but I don't see that happening. The best thing for Anthony would be a 5- 10 game stint in the d league and to concentrate on the interior part of the game. If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle and explosion over the next 9 months and adds 1-2 low post moves into his game along with a nice 10-12 footer--he can be reborn here as a player. The worst thing that happened to AR since he was traded here was allowing him to move beyond the 3 pt line. Id like to see him in some P+R with his few minutes--go get 2-4 rebounds and block a shot. Maybe over 40 games or so--he could be a guy that garners more minutes. I suggested moving him for a player who is also young but may be more of fit becasue I want to win now with this club--becasue it has a chance to be a really good club. But if we keep staus quo--a there must emphasis to get AR to a level where he can go 15-20 minutes without giving MDA a coronary. Concentrating on low post moves/interior play pick and roll offensive + D rebounding + good D--he might be able to cut down on the mistakes and pick up the efficiency he needs here.

Its chicken/egg. This team MUST establish the outside shot. When we do that teams must space the floor and our slashers are awesome. I still think Chandler/Douglas/Gallo/Felton shoot way too many 3s, but we are top 5 in the NBA in FTs, so clearly there is some balance there.

When we are hitting outside shots we destroy teams in the paint (also top 10 in NBA) because our guys kill defenses when they force you to collapse and help.

Spread the floor, move the ball, hit the outside jumper, attack the basket. Without the outside jumper that doesnt happen.

I STILL like starting Turiaf and Chandler off the bench. WE can play Felton/Chander/Gallo/Amare 40 minutes a night. Should be 35ish.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Randolph--personally I like AR and would like to keep him long term. I think he should be integrated back in without having to look over his shoulder but I don't see that happening. The best thing for Anthony would be a 5- 10 game stint in the d league and to concentrate on the interior part of the game. If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle and explosion over the next 9 months and adds 1-2 low post moves into his game along with a nice 10-12 footer--he can be reborn here as a player. The worst thing that happened to AR since he was traded here was allowing him to move beyond the 3 pt line. Id like to see him in some P+R with his few minutes--go get 2-4 rebounds and block a shot. Maybe over 40 games or so--he could be a guy that garners more minutes. I suggested moving him for a player who is also young but may be more of fit becasue I want to win now with this club--becasue it has a chance to be a really good club. But if we keep staus quo--a there must emphasis to get AR to a level where he can go 15-20 minutes without giving MDA a coronary. Concentrating on low post moves/interior play pick and roll offensive + D rebounding + good D--he might be able to cut down on the mistakes and pick up the efficiency he needs here.

good post and I think its happening, he's just not there yet. We are a bit stuck between winning and working guys in.

Its chicken/egg. This team MUST establish the outside shot. When we do that teams must space the floor and our slashers are awesome. I still think Chandler/Douglas/Gallo/Felton shoot way too many 3s, but we are top 5 in the NBA in FTs, so clearly there is some balance there.

When we are hitting outside shots we destroy teams in the paint (also top 10 in NBA) because our guys kill defenses when they force you to collapse and help.

Spread the floor, move the ball, hit the outside jumper, attack the basket. Without the outside jumper that doesnt happen.

I STILL like starting Turiaf and Chandler off the bench. WE can play Felton/Chander/Gallo/Amare 40 minutes a night. Should be 35ish.

Nah--Chandler is the best guy to start--in fact I don't think it's close. Chandler can actually play 40 minutes--hes a better scorer(by a mile) better rebounder and a solid defender as well. You want to start your 5 best guys. I think keeping Turriaf at 15 minutes off the bench will help him get through the season. Im not married to Turriaf either--while he plays well hes injury prone and limited.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Randolph--personally I like AR and would like to keep him long term. I think he should be integrated back in without having to look over his shoulder but I don't see that happening. The best thing for Anthony would be a 5- 10 game stint in the d league and to concentrate on the interior part of the game. If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle and explosion over the next 9 months and adds 1-2 low post moves into his game along with a nice 10-12 footer--he can be reborn here as a player. The worst thing that happened to AR since he was traded here was allowing him to move beyond the 3 pt line. Id like to see him in some P+R with his few minutes--go get 2-4 rebounds and block a shot. Maybe over 40 games or so--he could be a guy that garners more minutes. I suggested moving him for a player who is also young but may be more of fit becasue I want to win now with this club--becasue it has a chance to be a really good club. But if we keep staus quo--a there must emphasis to get AR to a level where he can go 15-20 minutes without giving MDA a coronary. Concentrating on low post moves/interior play pick and roll offensive + D rebounding + good D--he might be able to cut down on the mistakes and pick up the efficiency he needs here.

good post and I think its happening, he's just not there yet. We are a bit stuck between winning and working guys in.

Its chicken/egg. This team MUST establish the outside shot. When we do that teams must space the floor and our slashers are awesome. I still think Chandler/Douglas/Gallo/Felton shoot way too many 3s, but we are top 5 in the NBA in FTs, so clearly there is some balance there.

When we are hitting outside shots we destroy teams in the paint (also top 10 in NBA) because our guys kill defenses when they force you to collapse and help.

Spread the floor, move the ball, hit the outside jumper, attack the basket. Without the outside jumper that doesnt happen.

I STILL like starting Turiaf and Chandler off the bench. WE can play Felton/Chander/Gallo/Amare 40 minutes a night. Should be 35ish.

Nah--Chandler is the best guy to start--in fact I don't think it's close. Chandler can actually play 40 minutes--hes a better scorer(by a mile) better rebounder and a solid defender as well. You want to start your 5 best guys. I think keeping Turriaf at 15 minutes off the bench will help him get through the season. Im not married to Turriaf either--while he plays well hes injury prone and limited.

briggs you can still start and play 15-20 minutes

With Turiaf starting 5-1
With Chandler starting 2-2
With Mozgov starting 3-6

In the four games that Chandler has started our bench has been outscored 105-38
In the 6 games that Turiaf started we have outscored our opponents 188-183

With Chandler starting our bench averages 10 points per game
With Turiaf starting our bench averages 31 points per game.

In the 4 games that Chandler has started Douglas has averaged 5.5 points as our main option off the bench
In the 6 games taht Turiaf started Douglas has averaged 11.7 points as teh secodn option with teams being forced to guard Chandler. Throw in the 9 games taht he shared the bench with Chandler while Mozgov started the average jumps to 12 a game.

We are a more balanced team with Turiaf starting. We will need to be balanced to beat the better teams. The starting lineup will not be based on Wilson's individual talent, but upon the overall make-up of our team and how each move affects that make up. I can guarantee that our staff will be focusing on stats like this to make their decision and not upon "habit"

That being said, although I prefer Turiaf starting I don't think we are a bad team with Chandler starting

Then there's this http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/1236/knicks-scouting-71-tunisian-center

For all the win now mode fans I'm not in favor of trading out (read gutting to win now) Just grow into it and add pieces as the cap comes off and current players come off. Chandler and Fields would be the targets of most trade offers anyway.