crzymdups wrote:Briggs - I am watching Carl Landry right now and he looks like crap. 3 fouls in the first half, not playing well at all.

It's gotta be the shoes:
http://hoopshype.com/sneakers/peak/carl_landry_model.htm

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Briggs - I am watching Carl Landry right now and he looks like crap. 3 fouls in the first half, not playing well at all.

I think Carl Landry is going to have a poor year if he stays stuck with the Kings, but he was an absolute beast for the Rockets, and really helped them win games (more than Kevin Martin, thats for sure)- I think he's the kind of player that excels when he is on a winning team, or at least when he's in a position to help his team win. I'm not sure if they'll trade him though- I'm not sure whats going on in their GMs mind at all, that teams 2 main players have serious character issues.

Yeah, it looked like he was seriously forcing the issue last night, but he had some great hustle rebounds on both ends. I think he could fit here, but he's always seemed to play small to me. I thought he was 6'7"... he seems smaller than Wilson to me.

The Kings are a very weird team. Tyreke Evans looks like garbage this year - he has zero understanding of how to run the point. Dalembert is overrated and washed up (if i were the kings, he's the guy i would try to dump - and NO, i want no part of him on the Knicks). DeMarcus Cousins looked pretty good. He's very unorthodox though. It might be hard to build a winning team around him. He's a tough cover from the power forward spot though. Indiana could not handle him, but he kept getting in foul trouble.

I think the Kings might move Landry or Thompson... but Dalembert went down with an injury last night, so I doubt it's something they'd do now.

My preference is to develop AR - I think he's exact type of player we need. Game-changer on defense with his shotblocking and rebounding. Can run the break and can rebound at an elite level on the offensive end. We need to work with the kid. He should be exactly what we need. He had a good run in 4minutes last night. Let's hope he can work his way up to 10-15 minutes over the next month and then more from there.

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Briggs - I am watching Carl Landry right now and he looks like crap. 3 fouls in the first half, not playing well at all.

I think Carl Landry is going to have a poor year if he stays stuck with the Kings, but he was an absolute beast for the Rockets, and really helped them win games (more than Kevin Martin, thats for sure)- I think he's the kind of player that excels when he is on a winning team, or at least when he's in a position to help his team win. I'm not sure if they'll trade him though- I'm not sure whats going on in their GMs mind at all, that teams 2 main players have serious character issues.

Yeah, it looked like he was seriously forcing the issue last night, but he had some great hustle rebounds on both ends. I think he could fit here, but he's always seemed to play small to me. I thought he was 6'7"... he seems smaller than Wilson to me.

The Kings are a very weird team. Tyreke Evans looks like garbage this year - he has zero understanding of how to run the point. Dalembert is overrated and washed up (if i were the kings, he's the guy i would try to dump - and NO, i want no part of him on the Knicks). DeMarcus Cousins looked pretty good. He's very unorthodox though. It might be hard to build a winning team around him. He's a tough cover from the power forward spot though. Indiana could not handle him, but he kept getting in foul trouble.

I think the Kings might move Landry or Thompson... but Dalembert went down with an injury last night, so I doubt it's something they'd do now.

My preference is to develop AR - I think he's exact type of player we need. Game-changer on defense with his shotblocking and rebounding. Can run the break and can rebound at an elite level on the offensive end. We need to work with the kid. He should be exactly what we need. He had a good run in 4minutes last night. Let's hope he can work his way up to 10-15 minutes over the next month and then more from there.

BRIGGS wrote:When i say Carl Landry or Jason Thompson--Im looking for realistic options. I think Id prefer Landry--hes a tad more battle tested and was great off a very good Houston rocket bench. Im not worried about if a guy is 6-9 or 7-0--Im looking for production off of our poor bench.

bench is only poor when turiaf is out. when turiaf is back, it's improved. once turiaf and toney are healthier and if we can get kelenna and AR back to where they were, the bench is actually solid.

like i said, dalembert went down with a knee problem last night - i don't think now is the time the kings will be looking to trade thompson or landry - those guys are their only other bigs next to cousins.

i think the most realistic option is to develop AR and get him comfortable in this offense. the kid put up 11ppg 6rpg and 2 blocks last year in his second year in the league. he just needs to regain his confidence and find his place in this offense and he'll be fine.

d'antoni seriously needs to limit the plays where AR dribbles the ball up court after a rebound. that just shouldn't happen.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:When i say Carl Landry or Jason Thompson--Im looking for realistic options. I think Id prefer Landry--hes a tad more battle tested and was great off a very good Houston rocket bench. Im not worried about if a guy is 6-9 or 7-0--Im looking for production off of our poor bench.

Varejeo is a better fit, and might be attainable.

not for nothing fishmike--but Carl Landry is out of the rotation and has an ending contact of 3mm--verajo is a starting C for Clev with a long term contract--they would want big time pieces for that. Im very willing to do a small deal for Landry that would appease the Kings. I dont need both Jerome Jordan and Mosgov---Id give them Mosgov a 2 and some cash to get landry.. and you know what if we did that--this club would actually be formidable against anyone..

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:When i say Carl Landry or Jason Thompson--Im looking for realistic options. I think Id prefer Landry--hes a tad more battle tested and was great off a very good Houston rocket bench. Im not worried about if a guy is 6-9 or 7-0--Im looking for production off of our poor bench.

Varejeo is a better fit, and might be attainable.

not for nothing fishmike--but Carl Landry is out of the rotation and has an ending contact of 3mm--verajo is a starting C for Clev with a long term contract--they would want big time pieces for that. Im very willing to do a small deal for Landry that would appease the Kings. I dont need both Jerome Jordan and Mosgov---Id give them Mosgov a 2 and some cash to get landry.. and you know what if we did that--this club would actually be formidable against anyone..

This team doesnt need to be fixed. It just needs time. All the pieces are here, possibly for an elite team. If they arent we wont know until next year or the year after. On the flip side that same amount of time could produce a really bigtime young strong squad. Felton and Amare are not old. This is not a win now situation. We can take a year or even more to develop these players, and we will make the playoffs in the meantime

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:When i say Carl Landry or Jason Thompson--Im looking for realistic options. I think Id prefer Landry--hes a tad more battle tested and was great off a very good Houston rocket bench. Im not worried about if a guy is 6-9 or 7-0--Im looking for production off of our poor bench.

Varejeo is a better fit, and might be attainable.

not for nothing fishmike--but Carl Landry is out of the rotation and has an ending contact of 3mm--verajo is a starting C for Clev with a long term contract--they would want big time pieces for that. Im very willing to do a small deal for Landry that would appease the Kings. I dont need both Jerome Jordan and Mosgov---Id give them Mosgov a 2 and some cash to get landry.. and you know what if we did that--this club would actually be formidable against anyone..

thats insane and may I respectfully say stupid. In 2-3 years Carl Landry is somone's 8th man off the bench and Mosgov is a legit 7'1 athletic center anchoring a defense. For 8 years I have listened to you talk about stockpiling youth and developing big players. Now our average age is 24 and you want to trade a nice chip at center who has shown good things for a garbage guy who has no future here and isnt getting us further in the playoffs.

This team doesnt need to be fixed. It just needs time. All the pieces are here, possibly for an elite team. If they arent we wont know until next year or the year after. On the flip side that same amount of time could produce a really bigtime young strong squad. Felton and Amare are not old. This is not a win now situation. We can take a year or even more to develop these players, and we will make the playoffs in the meantime

The guy is 24 and cant even hold on to a basketball. The only thing Mosgov is going to anchor is his dingy back in Russia.

Knixkik wrote:Landry is good at what he does, but he is a PF who can't play any minutes at C and he doesn't rebound or defend particularly well. Not sure if he is a good fit given the talent on our team.

If we were able to add Landry and azu--that could give us some explosive in-out scoring off the bench---that we dont have. Turriaf can fill a 15 minute role and TD can get back to playing more of a back up PG role. Landry is a good physical defender/player who plays with a ton of energy--almost a perfect bench player for this team. If we can keep Turriaf at 10-15 minutes--maybe we can keep him healthy. This miracle 7 foot player is not out there right now and I don't think it's even necessary if that talent is not there. Id rather haev a 6-9 245 pg guy who can give me what Landry has proven he can do.

BRIGGS wrote:When i say Carl Landry or Jason Thompson--Im looking for realistic options. I think Id prefer Landry--hes a tad more battle tested and was great off a very good Houston rocket bench. Im not worried about if a guy is 6-9 or 7-0--Im looking for production off of our poor bench.

marc gasol is someone to go after though his availability is questionable at this point.