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BigSm00th
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11/30/2010  10:47 PM
haha yeah great point. "win now" so go get jason thompson or carl landry,,,LOL that's crazy talk!

randolph as crzymdups said is an impact bench player waiting to happen. briggs go read some old posts for crying out loud, the guy is a 7 footer, 21 yrs old and teeming with potential. he is a jack of all trades for our front court, a great help defender and should be a lethal rebounder with his wingspan + leaping ability. he will come along.

mozgov too. its pretty obvious he gets hosed for BS ticky tac fouls. i'm not sure what his english skills are but the game itself is so different (NBA rules v. euro) that his head must be spinning. he is a coordinated 7 footer and only 24. there are your future front court bench guys.

azabuike should be back by january. he gives us another G off the bench and allows chandler to play even more minutes in the front court. this team is on the rise and we have a great young core. there is no need to make a ridiculous "Win now at all costs move" to trade for jason thompson! seriously listen to yourself!!!

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11/30/2010  10:48 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
We're not a championship team to be saying we're not developing players. We're 1 game over .500 after 19 games and a majority of wins have come against below average teams. This is no time to trade your future for role players. This is a team to keep what you have and develop from within. We're not "winning now" with this team because the definition of "win now" is winning a title. This team isn't winning a title, not now and not with Landry and/or Thompson.

Well said. Our mistakes in the past have always been that we never maintain a pipeline of players that will help us later. We'll have our chances to make moves, let's not rush. In Walsh We Trust.

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12/1/2010  7:58 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Felton is not averaging 20 and 10. 17 and 7 is his niche and where he will be this season.

make that 18 and 8 right now. And rising

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12/1/2010  8:31 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I could hear 100 negative answers and Id think you're all wrong. this is an offensive team. Wilson Chandler is an all star caliber player if given 38+ minutes. The goal is to outscore the opponent and Wilson starting and playing 38+ gives us the best chance to do that.

I guess that holds true for all your threads :D

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12/1/2010  8:45 AM
haha briggs - you're turning every relationship on this board into an old-married couple one. people are quoting your words and saying, "you always do -------- and always say --------!!" isn't one marriage enough dude?

i'll tell you again - go look at ar's game logs over the last 2 years. do not come back with your "he's not a fit here" line. it's EVERY coach in this league's job to figure out how he's going to capitalize on a talent that produced these kind of games straight out of the box as a 19 year old. do you really want to be toronto shipping marcus camby out?

also - what's with this "win now" business? exactly what do you think this team is winning this year?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/player/gamelogs/2008/1622509

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/player/gamelogs/2009/1622509

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12/1/2010  8:53 AM
martin wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Felton is not averaging 20 and 10. 17 and 7 is his niche and where he will be this season.

make that 18 and 8 right now. And rising

18/8 shooting 47% and has 2 steals a game. He's been great, and is a true leader, ESPECIALLY on defense. I liked the signing but was on the fence as far as his impact/upside but the guy is really really good at doing what he does well. Be fast, defend, attack. Thrilled we got him
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12/1/2010  9:05 AM
BigSm00th wrote:haha yeah great point. "win now" so go get jason thompson or carl landry,,,LOL that's crazy talk!

randolph as crzymdups said is an impact bench player waiting to happen. briggs go read some old posts for crying out loud, the guy is a 7 footer, 21 yrs old and teeming with potential. he is a jack of all trades for our front court, a great help defender and should be a lethal rebounder with his wingspan + leaping ability. he will come along.

mozgov too. its pretty obvious he gets hosed for BS ticky tac fouls. i'm not sure what his english skills are but the game itself is so different (NBA rules v. euro) that his head must be spinning. he is a coordinated 7 footer and only 24. there are your future front court bench guys.

azabuike should be back by january. he gives us another G off the bench and allows chandler to play even more minutes in the front court. this team is on the rise and we have a great young core. there is no need to make a ridiculous "Win now at all costs move" to trade for jason thompson! seriously listen to yourself!!!

bigsmooth--the NBA is made up with differentials. You removes the clutter of our crppy bench production--keep the 4-1 set add Carl landry who avg 16-6 off the bench for a very good Houston team and hope we get back Azu--our bench is
C Turriaf
F-Landry
G-Azub
G Douglas

Thats a pro NBA bench

Not Mosgov Walker Mason or whoever they want to put in there. Mike D doesnt even want Randolph on the bench and he clenches his teeth putting him in the game. When you haev a 25-10 CP/FF a 20-10 PG and all the three other pieces we have starting--why am I developing anyone? Developing guys go to Europe play in the D league or play on a rebuilding team. I am all for keeping randolph as a lone build-able piece with Jordan in Europe.

This team needs more asap from back end roster spots--I am well aware were not going to have 14 stars nor would u want that--but we need to try and improve the bench for a team that has an MVP caliber player. You play to win the game and the only goal should be win it all. That the way I look at it.

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12/1/2010  9:08 AM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Felton is not averaging 20 and 10. 17 and 7 is his niche and where he will be this season.

make that 18 and 8 right now. And rising

18/8 shooting 47% and has 2 steals a game. He's been great, and is a true leader, ESPECIALLY on defense. I liked the signing but was on the fence as far as his impact/upside but the guy is really really good at doing what he does well. Be fast, defend, attack. Thrilled we got him

Ill be honest--the Knicks getting ray Felton and Amare was better than getting Bosh and Lebron. Both of our guys are playing like all stars.

If we had a decent bench and we didnt go through the Randolph calamity watching Mosgov bounce the ball of of his hands having a decent third big when Turriaf went down--we don't lose 6 out of 7 games there.

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12/1/2010  9:12 AM
we had no offensive chemistry or cohesion during the 6 straight losses. amar'e was bulling his way to to's, felton was lost and gallo and chandler were chucking 3's. plus mda coached every 4th quarter like he had bet on the opposing team.
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12/1/2010  9:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/1/2010  9:19 AM
Before we enshrine Lopez (who I like) let's looks at last night where he was a dominant offensive player. Every starter on the Knx had more rebounds and assists than Lopez. Its still a team game. Before we throw Moz under the bus let's not forget he is athletic 7'+ with good touch whose biggest problem after a quarter of an NBA season is staying away from fouling-that is correctable. A side note to Briggs-weren't you the one who was ready to enshrine AR in the HOF??? Chandler is a good player who can be the Havlichek of the team-he will get starter minutes and replace whichever of the starting SF,PF, SG doesn't "have it" on a particular night. Personally would have put Moz on Lopez early even if it meant quick fouls-he was the only healthy player tall enough to have slowed Lopez down.

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12/1/2010  9:17 AM
amare and felton have had some big games recently. still, you dont have a 25/10 C and a 20/10 PG. we have a 24/8 PF and a 18/8 PG. amare's playing well right now but he isn't an MVP candidate just yet.

while i'm as happy as the next guy that the knicks are winning and felton/amare are clicking, thinking that this team is in "win now" mode is ridiculous. we have a 2nd round rookie starting at shooting guard for crying out loud, and d'antoni with way more talented teams in phoenix never got the finals. i will believe it when i see it.

A) if the knicks get carl landry they still won't beat boston or LA in a 7 game playoff series, not to mention orlando or miami would most likely beat us too. carl landry thus doesn't even put the knicks in the top 3 in the east. that is not "win now" territory.
B) who says the kings want to deal carl landry? he's an expiring contract and only making $3 mil this yr. a 24 yr old russian with career nba averages 2ppg 2rpb thru 20 games and cash considerations isn't exactly a great deal.

its too early to be speculating about who is buying and who is selling.

knicks are 10-9 and that is great, amare and felton are playing real well. here is the dec sched: NO, @ TOR, MIN, TOR, WAS, DEN, BOS, MIA, @ CLE, OKC, CHI, @ MIA, @ ORL. let's see where they are before we start saying this team is a carl landry esque 8th man away from winning the finals.

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12/1/2010  9:45 AM
BigSm00th wrote:amare and felton have had some big games recently. still, you dont have a 25/10 C and a 20/10 PG. we have a 24/8 PF and a 18/8 PG. amare's playing well right now but he isn't an MVP candidate just yet.

while i'm as happy as the next guy that the knicks are winning and felton/amare are clicking, thinking that this team is in "win now" mode is ridiculous. we have a 2nd round rookie starting at shooting guard for crying out loud, and d'antoni with way more talented teams in phoenix never got the finals. i will believe it when i see it.

A) if the knicks get carl landry they still won't beat boston or LA in a 7 game playoff series, not to mention orlando or miami would most likely beat us too. carl landry thus doesn't even put the knicks in the top 3 in the east. that is not "win now" territory.B) who says the kings want to deal carl landry? he's an expiring contract and only making $3 mil this yr. a 24 yr old russian with career nba averages 2ppg 2rpb thru 20 games and cash considerations isn't exactly a great deal.

its too early to be speculating about who is buying and who is selling.

knicks are 10-9 and that is great, amare and felton are playing real well. here is the dec sched: NO, @ TOR, MIN, TOR, WAS, DEN, BOS, MIA, @ CLE, OKC, CHI, @ MIA, @ ORL. let's see where they are before we start saying this team is a carl landry esque 8th man away from winning the finals.


Briggs.. this is the truth.

Listen to what Felton and Amare are saying. That we are a VERY young team and need to continue to get better.
Our core roster right now is:
Chandler: 23
Fields: 22
Gallo: 22
Douglas: 24
Felton: 26
Amare: 28
Turiaf: 27
Walker: 24
Mosgov: 24
Randolph: 21

I will do the math for you... thats an average age of 24 for our 10 rotation guys.

This is not a situation where you tweek the roster to get over the hump to the next level. Now we let these guys play and grow together and get better.

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12/1/2010  10:12 AM
fishmike wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:amare and felton have had some big games recently. still, you dont have a 25/10 C and a 20/10 PG. we have a 24/8 PF and a 18/8 PG. amare's playing well right now but he isn't an MVP candidate just yet.

while i'm as happy as the next guy that the knicks are winning and felton/amare are clicking, thinking that this team is in "win now" mode is ridiculous. we have a 2nd round rookie starting at shooting guard for crying out loud, and d'antoni with way more talented teams in phoenix never got the finals. i will believe it when i see it.

A) if the knicks get carl landry they still won't beat boston or LA in a 7 game playoff series, not to mention orlando or miami would most likely beat us too. carl landry thus doesn't even put the knicks in the top 3 in the east. that is not "win now" territory.B) who says the kings want to deal carl landry? he's an expiring contract and only making $3 mil this yr. a 24 yr old russian with career nba averages 2ppg 2rpb thru 20 games and cash considerations isn't exactly a great deal.

its too early to be speculating about who is buying and who is selling.

knicks are 10-9 and that is great, amare and felton are playing real well. here is the dec sched: NO, @ TOR, MIN, TOR, WAS, DEN, BOS, MIA, @ CLE, OKC, CHI, @ MIA, @ ORL. let's see where they are before we start saying this team is a carl landry esque 8th man away from winning the finals.


Briggs.. this is the truth.

Listen to what Felton and Amare are saying. That we are a VERY young team and need to continue to get better.
Our core roster right now is:
Chandler: 23
Fields: 22
Gallo: 22
Douglas: 24
Felton: 26
Amare: 28
Turiaf: 27
Walker: 24
Mosgov: 24
Randolph: 21

I will do the math for you... thats an average age of 24 for our 10 rotation guys.

This is not a situation where you tweek the roster to get over the hump to the next level. Now we let these guys play and grow together and get better.

Fishmike--we have an MVP candidate player. I happen to think this is a good team. When I predicted 50 wins--I really thought our bench would be better. We have the potential to be a very good tam this year with a tweak--would I give up one bench player or a draft pick --maybe some cash to get Carl Landry---absolutely--Ill give them Mosgov a 2nd round pick and 3mm in cash today. Its fair to try to help this team win now. I have Jerome Jordan in Europe who is a better 5 prospect anyway.

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12/1/2010  10:52 AM
when you predicted 50 wins it was because you envisioned Gallo and AR being an impossible duo to deal with next to Amare. Now you want to pull the plug on that. Its premature, thats the bottom line

You are going to get way more value from improving within than you will get from trading guys like AR/Mosgov who have little value around the league right now.

Look at the Pacers! Look at how good they are playing and how far Hibbert has come in 2 years. If you want to have great players you have to be patient.

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12/15/2010  9:50 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I could hear 100 negative answers and Id think you're all wrong. this is an offensive team. Wilson Chandler is an all star caliber player if given 38+ minutes. The goal is to outscore the opponent and Wilson starting and playing 38+ gives us the best chance to do that.

dang right

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12/15/2010  9:55 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I could hear 100 negative answers and Id think you're all wrong. this is an offensive team. Wilson Chandler is an all star caliber player if given 38+ minutes. The goal is to outscore the opponent and Wilson starting and playing 38+ gives us the best chance to do that.

dang right

Pat yourself on the back BRIGGS. You is right.

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12/15/2010  9:56 AM
c'mon guys. brother briggs is in need.

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12/15/2010  9:59 AM
Im not worried about who Amare has to guard. They are plenty worried about guarding him!

Im with Briggs, you let them worry about us.

Gallo is 6 freaking 10 and defending well, rebounding well. Wilson is 6-8. This is not a small line up.

Rony can't go more than 15 min. His energy role off the bench is well needed. If Amare gets in foul trouble he fills it in.

This is the roster for now. Forget what "could be". MDA wakes up on game day and this is what he's got. It ain' perfect but its working.

We get blown out tonite I'll think otherwise.

Starting Moz was a great idea. I like that he tried it. I like the creative approach to the yoots. Maybe later in the season.

I want to see how Nate defends.

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12/15/2010  10:03 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I could hear 100 negative answers and Id think you're all wrong. this is an offensive team. Wilson Chandler is an all star caliber player if given 38+ minutes. The goal is to outscore the opponent and Wilson starting and playing 38+ gives us the best chance to do that.

dang right

Pat yourself on the back BRIGGS. You is right.

BRIGGS is patting himself on the back with both hands and prob could do a self reach-around at this point

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12/15/2010  10:12 AM
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I could hear 100 negative answers and Id think you're all wrong. this is an offensive team. Wilson Chandler is an all star caliber player if given 38+ minutes. The goal is to outscore the opponent and Wilson starting and playing 38+ gives us the best chance to do that.

dang right

Pat yourself on the back BRIGGS. You is right.

BRIGGS is patting himself on the back with both hands and prob could do a self reach-around at this point


I have to agree that the small lineup is working right now so we have to stick with it. We are an offensive team that will outscore opponents but also block a lot of shots. Chandler has really impressed me and belongs in the starting lineup. I think when we start Turiaf and if it isn't working we are limited with size off the bench. If we start Chandler and really need size off the bench we have more depth with Turiaf and Mozgov. We will need to add another FA big in the off-season to add even more much needed depth off the bench that can defend the post, such as Kenyon Martin, Dalembert, Pryzbilla, etc. We still need to play Amare at least half of his minutes at the PF next to a true center, but as a starting unit this current team seems to be working.
Want to keep the same starting line up

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