BigSm00th wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:We're a .500 team without adding any other all star.

i'd say we're above 500 w/o adding another star. knicks are 9-9 right now and gallinari and chandler have both been inconsistent. i would anticipate both will improve as the year goes on. chemistry will improve as well. plus randolph is still on the bench not giving anything. this team will finish something like 43-39 without another trade, which would likely put them at top 6 in the east.

i agree with briggs, carmelo is not whats needed. gallinari is younger and cheaper and his skills complement amare way more.

LOL @ Anubis, Gallo hasn't impressed you so far? Did you watch the games @ GS, @ LAC, or against the pistons? Gallo had HUGE game-breaking 3s in each of those. those 3 games are losses without him stepping up and burying tough 3s. that's pretty impressive in my opinion. his consistency hasn't been there but he has proven he can score and score when it counts.

i think chandler is the movable piece here. he's a 3/4 and the knicks have a 3 (gallo) and a 4 (stat). we need a true C who can play next to amare and allow turiaf to come off the bench. who that guy is i'm not sure, but it sure as hell isn't melo.

right now if u gave me a choice whether to trade Gallo or Wilson, i'd rather keep Wilson... Wilson will be traded because of his contract situation i think that's fair to assume, but he's also a better player than Gallo is right now.

last night we saw Gallo hit a huge 3 in the 2nd OT that helped to win the game... we also saw him almost single handedly lose the game w/his crappy defense on Tayshaun Prince & his inability to hit open J's... MDA stuck w/him through 2 OT's of him playing like his head was not in the game & luckily it paid off in the end, but it could have easily cost us a W last night... he has been highly inconsistent all year & tho i've always been a huge supporter of his, in general i've been disappointed by his play this season... to say we don't need Carmelo on this team is pretty silly if u ask me... he would provide a huge upgrade at the SF position

Marv wrote:guys john thompson retired from thte nba in 1966. are you perhaps referring to jason thompson?

Oops.

smackeddog wrote:Aside from John Thompson, what other PF-C are there out there that might be a good fit and that are obtainable? Also can anyone think of any obtainable back up PG's?

Anderson Varejao would be a good fit except for his contract... i don't see us taking on any longterm deals until we see how this Melo situation plays out.

BigSm00th wrote:

TMS wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:We're a .500 team without adding any other all star.

i'd say we're above 500 w/o adding another star. knicks are 9-9 right now and gallinari and chandler have both been inconsistent. i would anticipate both will improve as the year goes on. chemistry will improve as well. plus randolph is still on the bench not giving anything. this team will finish something like 43-39 without another trade, which would likely put them at top 6 in the east.

i agree with briggs, carmelo is not whats needed. gallinari is younger and cheaper and his skills complement amare way more.

LOL @ Anubis, Gallo hasn't impressed you so far? Did you watch the games @ GS, @ LAC, or against the pistons? Gallo had HUGE game-breaking 3s in each of those. those 3 games are losses without him stepping up and burying tough 3s. that's pretty impressive in my opinion. his consistency hasn't been there but he has proven he can score and score when it counts.

i think chandler is the movable piece here. he's a 3/4 and the knicks have a 3 (gallo) and a 4 (stat). we need a true C who can play next to amare and allow turiaf to come off the bench. who that guy is i'm not sure, but it sure as hell isn't melo.

right now if u gave me a choice whether to trade Gallo or Wilson, i'd rather keep Wilson... Wilson will be traded because of his contract situation i think that's fair to assume, but he's also a better player than Gallo is right now.

last night we saw Gallo hit a huge 3 in the 2nd OT that helped to win the game... we also saw him almost single handedly lose the game w/his crappy defense on Tayshaun Prince & his inability to hit open J's... MDA stuck w/him through 2 OT's of him playing like his head was not in the game & luckily it paid off in the end, but it could have easily cost us a W last night... he has been highly inconsistent all year & tho i've always been a huge supporter of his, in general i've been disappointed by his play this season... to say we don't need Carmelo on this team is pretty silly if u ask me... he would provide a huge upgrade at the SF position

LOL,,,i mean,,,,melo's D is nothing to write home to mom about. gallo is cheaper and younger, and arguably plays harder. melo is great but if it takes giving up 3 pieces to get him i don't understand how we're a better team. if he's a free agent and knicks have room to sign him, i think they should. but to give up a bunch to get him when this team is clearly a playoff team in the east and when the knicks have all the leverage is stupid.

no, Melo's D is definitely nothing to write home about, but his offensive skillset represents a huge upgrade at the SF position... & i'm not going to assume Melo's signing here in free agency & make the same mistake we did with Lebron & D Wade... you may think it's stupid to trade away a package of assets to get him but IMO it's stupid to pass up on a chance to get him because we're too afraid to trade pieces like Gallo, AR or Wilson Chandler.

It sports its about team and chemistry. We have two ball dominant players Amare and Felton--that is fine becasue our other guys can get theirs in the flow without the need to dominate it.

This isnt baseball this is a team sport. There are roles there is only 1 basketball. We need another scoring big and enhancement from the bench. That way we could play with amare with Gallo at PF Thompson at PF Turriaf at C etc.. the rotation is nice--

just think about this think about the differential if we removed Mosgov and pout in Thompson and Azu--cut down minutes so guys could go harder and get good rest. thatw hat SA is doing and they are 13-1. Utah--3 bigs you need 3 bigs. we have the other pieces or most of them that are building chemsitry

TMS wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

TMS wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:We're a .500 team without adding any other all star.

i'd say we're above 500 w/o adding another star. knicks are 9-9 right now and gallinari and chandler have both been inconsistent. i would anticipate both will improve as the year goes on. chemistry will improve as well. plus randolph is still on the bench not giving anything. this team will finish something like 43-39 without another trade, which would likely put them at top 6 in the east.

i agree with briggs, carmelo is not whats needed. gallinari is younger and cheaper and his skills complement amare way more.

LOL @ Anubis, Gallo hasn't impressed you so far? Did you watch the games @ GS, @ LAC, or against the pistons? Gallo had HUGE game-breaking 3s in each of those. those 3 games are losses without him stepping up and burying tough 3s. that's pretty impressive in my opinion. his consistency hasn't been there but he has proven he can score and score when it counts.

i think chandler is the movable piece here. he's a 3/4 and the knicks have a 3 (gallo) and a 4 (stat). we need a true C who can play next to amare and allow turiaf to come off the bench. who that guy is i'm not sure, but it sure as hell isn't melo.

right now if u gave me a choice whether to trade Gallo or Wilson, i'd rather keep Wilson... Wilson will be traded because of his contract situation i think that's fair to assume, but he's also a better player than Gallo is right now.

last night we saw Gallo hit a huge 3 in the 2nd OT that helped to win the game... we also saw him almost single handedly lose the game w/his crappy defense on Tayshaun Prince & his inability to hit open J's... MDA stuck w/him through 2 OT's of him playing like his head was not in the game & luckily it paid off in the end, but it could have easily cost us a W last night... he has been highly inconsistent all year & tho i've always been a huge supporter of his, in general i've been disappointed by his play this season... to say we don't need Carmelo on this team is pretty silly if u ask me... he would provide a huge upgrade at the SF position

LOL,,,i mean,,,,melo's D is nothing to write home to mom about. gallo is cheaper and younger, and arguably plays harder. melo is great but if it takes giving up 3 pieces to get him i don't understand how we're a better team. if he's a free agent and knicks have room to sign him, i think they should. but to give up a bunch to get him when this team is clearly a playoff team in the east and when the knicks have all the leverage is stupid.

no, Melo's D is definitely nothing to write home about, but his offensive skillset represents a huge upgrade at the SF position... & i'm not going to assume Melo's signing here in free agency & make the same mistake we did with Lebron & D Wade... you may think it's stupid to trade away a package of assets to get him but IMO it's stupid to pass up on a chance to get him because we're too afraid to trade pieces like Gallo, AR or Wilson Chandler.

TMS..the diff. between the Lebron/Wade sweepstakes and the Melo situation is that he seems like he really, really want to play here.

Also as it stands right now..it doesn't look like the Knicks have any shot at trading for him unless Denver proposes something. So far it looks like they're still trying to keep Melo. For now, regardless of whether anyone thinks it's better to trade for him or sign him as an FA, doesn't it look to you like the latter is the only option available to the Knicks right now?

TMS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:We NEED Carmelo. This team is stuck in purgatory at the moment.

Not good enough to go deep in the playoffs and not bad enough to get a high lottery pick.

Amare needs help to for us to get to the next level.

People are looking at what is happening in Miami, I would think. Would Melo coming to the Knicks be a "subtraction by addition" situation, which may be what has happened in Miami? Would he fit in with Felton and Amare?

I'm not sure how he would fit in (things could turn out fine), but there is no guarantee that his addition to the team will be smooth.

Personally, I would rather have a 25 yr. old Ray Allen type player on this team- the kind of player who does not have to dominate the ball to be effective- than Melo, who may be a rhythm scorer who needs the ball a certain percentage of the time to be effective.

MDA coached him in the Olympics...wonder what his feelings are about him?

Paladdin, i think you make fair points as usual, but what 25 yo Ray Allen type player can we realistically get our hands on? is OJ Mayo a guy that can fill that role, & is he even available? is there another guy out there that comes close to filling that type of role?

Kevin Martin fits the bill but he's possibly injury prone, not that great on D, has a long term contract I think and doesn't appear to be available.

Kinda weird that not too many guys come out of HS/College with the ability to use screens off the ball to get free and score without pounding the ball looking for their shot that way.

Moving without the ball = a lost art in today's game?