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technomaster
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1/23/2004  5:49 PM
I don't see how the athletic players surrounding Marbury (Stoudemire/Marion/Johnson/etc) in Phoenix helped their record this year (or even last). It's not like at any point last year they were truly elite--- they merely were a bump in the road for the Spurs.

So how does athleticism weigh into a Marbury vs Frank Williams argument? I don't think FW ever managed 10 assists starting for the Knicks. During our meager 4 game winning streak with Marbury, he averaged over 11 per game in wins. Seems effective to me.

Good ball movement is always a good idea--- When Marbury is playing well, the last pass before the shot doesn't always come from him; same with Frank Williams.

It's a funny thing--- Marbury, because of his speed and ability to break down defenses is effective in the supposed non-athletic half-court game. He draws fouls.

Conversely, don't you think that Frank Williams, with his deceptive quickness and ability to spread the ball... would also be more impressive with athletic players around him?

Yeah. I can buy the argument that having athletes around you might get you more assists. However, Marbury is proving that with essentially the same cast, it's possible to win games and still amass double figure assists.

We still have the best of both worlds, in theory. FW is still on the team, isn't he? Potentially if Marbury is sucking, FW can give us the ball movement we need, right?
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Posted by gogetit:

Wait Lenny, you didn't get info from Herb and Malone ? Oh boy we are gonna see what playa has been saying all along Frank helps this team flow. Frank must be on the court with or without marbury as SG or PG
hey, what's up playa. haven't heard from you since you got vanished. oh yea, frank does help the knicks flow, he might just be a better "fit" at point guard than marbury. he "knows" how to run this particualr team as he has been demonstrating all through out the season. some people just don't know that much about basketball, they think if marbury is more talented, he is a better fit for this team than frank. until isiah gets some athletic players around marbury, like the marions and the amares, he will be less effective with this team than frank throughout the season. if you don't know that, then maybe you have just started watching basketball.
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1/23/2004  5:55 PM
He may not post up Shaq, but he certainly could slither by him. FW will continue to be an X-factor for the Knicks. There's still no scouting report on him. I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks had Marbury and FW in at the same time for stretches over the course of the rest of the season, esp. w/ the gimpy Houston.

From the little we've seen of him, FW is a pretty gosh-darned good on the ball defender; just like his offense, it kind of surprises people. Very deceptive game--- maybe coaches see him play and don't think he's playing hard.

Also, with the wrist before draft time, no matter how much he tried to hide it, you'd imagine that he took a physical with the Knicks and all of the other teams. Him breaking it (again) in the pre-season was just about bad luck (once again).


Posted by Nalod:

Mooch makes big money, and lets face it, you want production from that. That is why Eisley got playing time. ITs the MONEY.

Now if Frank can only post up shaq!

Is this the same frank whom hid his broken wrist in the draft, denied it, then broke it in summer league and basically missed last season?
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1/23/2004  6:02 PM
hey techno, good arguement dude. i see that you see frank's abilities also. that post didn't come out the way i wanted it to on my part. good job
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Posted by knixnprix:

hey techno, good arguement dude. i see that you see frank's abilities also. that post didn't come out the way i wanted it to on my part. good job
playa/gogetit/ayalp, how many names do you have?

just ask the mods nicely for your name back, and dont misbehave, help out here a little bit and it's all good.
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Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by knixnprix:

hey techno, good arguement dude. i see that you see frank's abilities also. that post didn't come out the way i wanted it to on my part. good job
playa/gogetit/ayalp, how many names do you have?

just ask the mods nicely for your name back, and dont misbehave, help out here a little bit and it's all good.



Case they didn't give me a warning at all, I had the name ayalp, Imatarget and playa and the mods froze them all. Hey it's their show so ANDREW- MARTIN do what cha like.
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1/23/2004  6:53 PM
Posted by gogetit:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by knixnprix:

hey techno, good arguement dude. i see that you see frank's abilities also. that post didn't come out the way i wanted it to on my part. good job
playa/gogetit/ayalp, how many names do you have?

just ask the mods nicely for your name back, and dont misbehave, help out here a little bit and it's all good.



Case they didn't give me a warning at all, I had the name ayalp, Imatarget and playa and the mods froze them all. Hey it's their show so ANDREW- MARTIN do what cha like.

dude, we warned everyone. And then we tried to email you in particular. Feel free to leave a real email address.
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1/23/2004  6:59 PM
Ok Martin you can send me an email now
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1/23/2004  8:21 PM
Posted by gogetit:

Ok Martin you can send me an email now
why do they have to e-mail you a special invitation asking you to behave?

be like Nike and just do it.
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Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by gogetit:

Ok Martin you can send me an email now
why do they have to e-mail you a special invitation asking you to behave?

be like Nike and just do it.

Case I was referring to him being able to email me now with my correct email address, stick to ya own business and behave that.
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1/23/2004  8:55 PM
Posted by gogetit:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by gogetit:

Ok Martin you can send me an email now
why do they have to e-mail you a special invitation asking you to behave?

be like Nike and just do it.

Case I was referring to him being able to email me now with my correct email address, stick to ya own business and behave that.
Playa, come on man. i like what you bring to the board. you've got some good opinions, and your youthful exhuberance is often refreshing. however, when people get out of hand, it's everyone's biz. i dont know what you did to make them ban you (other than having multiple accounts, which was being used for purposes beyond my knowledge).

the mods shouldnt have to be heavy handed, we should be able to regulate ourselves. just do what they (the mods) ask. they are reasonable and fair people and they've been running this great site for a few years on their coin. they spend enough time working on the site, they shouldnt have to spend their time to reprimand anyone. everyone has an outburst once in a while, just dont make anything a habit...
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1/23/2004  9:03 PM
Hold up bro, They banned my name playa and forced me to make up those other two names because each one got banned.All I did was talk about the knicks man like I always do, no cursing or nothing. Guys have called me more names than I ever could. Martin said he tried to email me to explain, but my email wasn't any good. So I just told him that my email is good now. I don't want to be any trouble Case. Just kickin it about my knicks.
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1/24/2004  1:20 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by gogetit:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by gogetit:

Ok Martin you can send me an email now
why do they have to e-mail you a special invitation asking you to behave?

be like Nike and just do it.

Case I was referring to him being able to email me now with my correct email address, stick to ya own business and behave that.
Playa, come on man. i like what you bring to the board. you've got some good opinions, and your youthful exhuberance is often refreshing. however, when people get out of hand, it's everyone's biz. i dont know what you did to make them ban you (other than having multiple accounts, which was being used for purposes beyond my knowledge).

the mods shouldnt have to be heavy handed, we should be able to regulate ourselves. just do what they (the mods) ask. they are reasonable and fair people and they've been running this great site for a few years on their coin. they spend enough time working on the site, they shouldnt have to spend their time to reprimand anyone. everyone has an outburst once in a while, just dont make anything a habit...





PLAYA aka GOgetit or whatever his new name is... is mad annoying.. and says real dumb **** all the time.. id ont know if thats why u got banned but it should be

[Edited by - elite on 01/24/2004 01:22:53]
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