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Bippity10
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11/18/2010  2:39 PM
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AnubisADL wrote:We should all pretend that game yesterday didnt happen. That is the WORSE basketball I have seen played this seen. Kings shouldnt have even been allowed to hang around.

As for Gallo he beasted against matador defenders. We play Golden State on Friday. Let's see if he beast against the Wright's.

Isn't taht the point? If you notice when Nixluva wrote "Gallo finally getting it?" he put a question mark at the end for a reason. We have seen this guy penetrate and be a terror for five straight games. It's nice to watch, but of course he has to do it for a sustained period of time before we can conclude that he "gets it".

Thank you Bip. I just hope like everyone that the lightbulb clicks on in his head and that he's doing this consciously and not by accident. This guy has so much potential and I think the solution to reaching it is simple. Be AGGRESSIVE! That's really it. When he gets the ball he shouldn't give it up unless there's a pass that leads to a score that presents itself. He's a primary scorer for this team and needs to think like one.

Another thing I wanted to point out is that despite all the people saying he's slow and all that, he's smart and he's not quick, but he's fast. Once he gets running he's much faster than people think. Just watch how he gets out on the break and how hard he's running. He can't jump like J. Smith, but he can draw fouls. I'd like to see him finish a bit more after drawing contact, but that should eventually come.

Having guys rush out at your jumpshot has a way of making you quicker. They have to get on his shot and this is giving him an advantage that up until now(hopefully) he didn't realize he had. The result has immense potential. Guys rush at Gallo, Gallo upfakes and drives past. Defender off balance reaches and fouls Gallo. If they don't foul him because they are off balance from the up fake, they foul him becuase he's just awkward and has those long strides.

Another thing that I think is helping Gallo is an adjustment that the coaching staffis making. When teams are guarding Gallo with a smaller 2 guard that can prevent GAllo from going by them. The coaching staff is countering by bringing in Felton with TD. This is forcing teams to guard him with a bigger guy.

He will make the leap to the next level when his aggessiveness keeps up and he develops a pull up jumper. Even with hsi aggressiveness athletic big guys(Green last night, and Iguodola come to mind) can disrupt him because they can get up on his shot and still are quick enough to keep him from blowing by them. To beat these guys he's going to have to develop another piece. If he adds a post up game to go along with a pull-up then it's officially over. But again, there are a lot of ifs......

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11/18/2010  3:03 PM
I feel like Gallo's slow first-step and inability to really drive past anyone is actually helping him get to the line. He gets a lot of defenders to make dumb reach in fouls on his drives, or if he feels even the slightest bit of contact, the Italian in him knows how to fake it and make it seem like he just got bludgeoned in the arm. Chandler on the other hand, who looks more fluid on his drives and has better body control, just ends up avoiding that contact.

Gallo's definitely a smart FT drawer.

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11/18/2010  3:04 PM
It's amazing how agressive someone gets when they have no confidence in their jumpshot.
Amazing what a wrist injury can do in offsetting a case of blatant AllanHoustonitis.
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11/18/2010  3:05 PM
Gallo could learn a lot from Allan Houston, and he could end up being better because of his ability to finish around the basket. People who have labeled him a one dimensional 3 point specialist are simply wrong. He can draw contact and finish. He can cause problems with the pumpfake, but he's also shown he can get to the line and do damage there. This is a guy who should get 15-20 shot attempts a game. I would have no problem with him shooting 8 threes a game, so long as the other shot attempts are balanced and they are good looks
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11/18/2010  3:09 PM
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martin wrote:^ Im calling it right now, all Bip does during Knicks games is check out Gallo's body

That will end when Eddie Curry comes back

So it isn't gonna end, is it?

You may be right on that one.

There's a visual no one needs: Bip, Gallo and Eddy. In a barbecue sauce love match.
I think I'm now permanently sterile.

Anyway, all of Bip's taste is in his mouth.
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11/18/2010  8:58 PM
Gallo only got it at Sacramento because they were all lunging at him while he was on the perimeter. He would then jump into them to draw the foul.

I'd like to see what his FT attempts are against teams with competent perimeter defense. I want to see how he does against Wesley Matthews, Matt Barnes, Pietrus, Thabo, etc. Guys that will stay in front and stay on their feet until you jump.

I still maintain Billy Walker has a better 3 point shot than Gallo.

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11/18/2010  11:26 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Gallo only got it at Sacramento because they were all lunging at him while he was on the perimeter. He would then jump into them to draw the foul.

I'd like to see what his FT attempts are against teams with competent perimeter defense. I want to see how he does against Wesley Matthews, Matt Barnes, Pietrus, Thabo, etc. Guys that will stay in front and stay on their feet until you jump.

I still maintain Billy Walker has a better 3 point shot than Gallo.

Walker has a better 3 point shot then Gallo?

Gallo in his first season was second in 3 pointers in the NBA

Not on the Knicks!!

In the NBA

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11/19/2010  9:47 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Gallo only got it at Sacramento because they were all lunging at him while he was on the perimeter. He would then jump into them to draw the foul.

I'd like to see what his FT attempts are against teams with competent perimeter defense. I want to see how he does against Wesley Matthews, Matt Barnes, Pietrus, Thabo, etc. Guys that will stay in front and stay on their feet until you jump.

I still maintain Billy Walker has a better 3 point shot than Gallo.

1.) Against Barnes and Pietrus last year he averaged 6.7 FT's per game
2.) Against Battier this year he went to the line 9 times
3.) Not sure I remember Wes Matthews guarding Gallo, but Gallo did go to the line 9 times against GState this year
4.) Against Iguodola who is the gold standard for the type of defense you are talking about he averaged 9.8 fT per game including games of 14 and 16 free throws.

When he is spirited and drives he draws fouls. Not sure what else you need. All you need to do is watch the games.

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11/19/2010  9:51 AM
Bippity10 wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Gallo only got it at Sacramento because they were all lunging at him while he was on the perimeter. He would then jump into them to draw the foul.

I'd like to see what his FT attempts are against teams with competent perimeter defense. I want to see how he does against Wesley Matthews, Matt Barnes, Pietrus, Thabo, etc. Guys that will stay in front and stay on their feet until you jump.

I still maintain Billy Walker has a better 3 point shot than Gallo.

1.) Against Barnes and Pietrus last year he averaged 6.7 FT's per game
2.) Against Battier this year he went to the line 9 times
3.) Not sure I remember Wes Matthews guarding Gallo, but Gallo did go to the line 9 times against GState this year
4.) Against Iguodola who is the gold standard for the type of defense you are talking about he averaged 9.8 fT per game including games of 14 and 16 free throws.

When he is spirited and drives he draws fouls. Not sure what else you need. All you need to do is watch the games.

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11/19/2010  9:55 AM
This guy has a sweet three point stroke and is completely horrible from mid range, when ever he gets that together, he would have officially taking the next step
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11/19/2010  11:23 AM
knicks1248 wrote:This guy has a sweet three point stroke and is completely horrible from mid range, when ever he gets that together, he would have officially taking the next step

Me and my sons find that fascinating how Gallo can be so good from 3, but have no midrange jumper at all. He actually looks lost close to the basket. Even when he posts up he can throw up some ugly shots that have no touch or sense of range. If i'm one of the coaches I make that guy put up hundreds of midrange jumpers and short hooks in the paint after every practice, cuz if he ever gets that down, he'll be unstoppable.
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11/19/2010  12:34 PM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:This guy has a sweet three point stroke and is completely horrible from mid range, when ever he gets that together, he would have officially taking the next step

Me and my sons find that fascinating how Gallo can be so good from 3, but have no midrange jumper at all. He actually looks lost close to the basket. Even when he posts up he can throw up some ugly shots that have no touch or sense of range. If i'm one of the coaches I make that guy put up hundreds of midrange jumpers and short hooks in the paint after every practice, cuz if he ever gets that down, he'll be unstoppable.

It's not uncommon. Three pointers you obviously need more of the power in your legs then you do on a 10 or 15 footer. Some players find it hard to make this adjustment and lose their touch when they get into the paint. Taller shooters actually suffer from this more then most because when they are within 10 feet they are extremely clost to the rim and the use of their legs can become even more of a detriment. It's the same thing in reverse. Some guys can shoot inside 15 feet with perfect form and then lose everything when they step outside of the three point line. Their form changes, elbows flare out, they throw the ball instead of shooting it. It's the same concept just in reverse.

If you want to see what I'm talking about, go to a gym that has regular hoops and children's height hoops and shoot 15 or 20 shots on a 10 foot hoop. And then immediately turn and shoot on the kids hoops. If you use the exact same mechanics in your shot, the shot on the kids hoop will clang off the backboard. These guys have to practice a lot to teach their bodies how to make this adjustment. NOw ifyou have a great shot, you should be able to develop a mid-range jumper but there are not guarantees.

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11/19/2010  12:58 PM
^ interesting, was wondering that myself.
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11/19/2010  1:31 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
martin wrote:^ Im calling it right now, all Bip does during Knicks games is check out Gallo's body

That will end when Eddie Curry comes back

So it isn't gonna end, is it?

You may be right on that one.

There's a visual no one needs: Bip, Gallo and Eddy. In a barbecue sauce love match.
I think I'm now permanently sterile.

Anyway, all of Bip's taste is in his mouth.
And martin knows Stat's glasses are the hottest things on the roster.


I want Mosgov's hair.
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11/19/2010  1:43 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:This guy has a sweet three point stroke and is completely horrible from mid range, when ever he gets that together, he would have officially taking the next step

Me and my sons find that fascinating how Gallo can be so good from 3, but have no midrange jumper at all. He actually looks lost close to the basket. Even when he posts up he can throw up some ugly shots that have no touch or sense of range. If i'm one of the coaches I make that guy put up hundreds of midrange jumpers and short hooks in the paint after every practice, cuz if he ever gets that down, he'll be unstoppable.

It's not uncommon. Three pointers you obviously need more of the power in your legs then you do on a 10 or 15 footer. Some players find it hard to make this adjustment and lose their touch when they get into the paint. Taller shooters actually suffer from this more then most because when they are within 10 feet they are extremely clost to the rim and the use of their legs can become even more of a detriment. It's the same thing in reverse. Some guys can shoot inside 15 feet with perfect form and then lose everything when they step outside of the three point line. Their form changes, elbows flare out, they throw the ball instead of shooting it. It's the same concept just in reverse.

If you want to see what I'm talking about, go to a gym that has regular hoops and children's height hoops and shoot 15 or 20 shots on a 10 foot hoop. And then immediately turn and shoot on the kids hoops. If you use the exact same mechanics in your shot, the shot on the kids hoop will clang off the backboard. These guys have to practice a lot to teach their bodies how to make this adjustment. NOw ifyou have a great shot, you should be able to develop a mid-range jumper but there are not guarantees.

Excellent point. This also applies to The Mayor. Dude is damn near automatic in the mid-range and struggles from 3.

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11/19/2010  2:22 PM
I don't think there's a shot that Gallo can't master with practice, but it's not easy to adjust to the midrange or pull up jumper. The mechanics are so different from taking 3's. Just the fact that he has the FT mechanics down shows he could eventually develop his midrange game.
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11/19/2010  2:27 PM
nixluva wrote:I don't think there's a shot that Gallo can't master with practice, but it's not easy to adjust to the midrange or pull up jumper. The mechanics are so different from taking 3's. Just the fact that he has the FT mechanics down shows he could eventually develop his midrange game.

I think this is somethign he will have to work on in the offseason. Dedicate a full offseason to working on pull up jumpers. In season I don't think he will ahve the practice time to perfect it.

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11/19/2010  2:48 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I don't think there's a shot that Gallo can't master with practice, but it's not easy to adjust to the midrange or pull up jumper. The mechanics are so different from taking 3's. Just the fact that he has the FT mechanics down shows he could eventually develop his midrange game.

I think this is somethign he will have to work on in the offseason. Dedicate a full offseason to working on pull up jumpers. In season I don't think he will ahve the practice time to perfect it.


I think he needs to shoot a set shot much like Bird. There wasn't much jump in the jumper. He already shoots that way. I've never seen him try a hook or turn around jumper that I can remember. I think you're right about not seeing a real pull up jumper develop this season. It's likely he'll need a full off season to get it down. Tho I thought he was working on it this summer along with a post move or 2.
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11/19/2010  2:54 PM
nixluva wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I don't think there's a shot that Gallo can't master with practice, but it's not easy to adjust to the midrange or pull up jumper. The mechanics are so different from taking 3's. Just the fact that he has the FT mechanics down shows he could eventually develop his midrange game.

I think this is somethign he will have to work on in the offseason. Dedicate a full offseason to working on pull up jumpers. In season I don't think he will ahve the practice time to perfect it.


I think he needs to shoot a set shot much like Bird. There wasn't much jump in the jumper. He already shoots that way. I've never seen him try a hook or turn around jumper that I can remember. I think you're right about not seeing a real pull up jumper develop this season. It's likely he'll need a full off season to get it down. Tho I thought he was working on it this summer along with a post move or 2.

He's taken it a few times, but he seemed uncomfortable with it. He does the same thing when he catches the ball inside the paint and is wide open. He tends to hesitate and then fade away on it. It definitley needs work

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11/19/2010  3:05 PM
The one thing that I don't ever remember Gallo doing is taking a foul on a 3point shot so deliberately. He HAS been fouled on that type of shot before, but when guys are flying at him and when he COULD be fouled, he would usually side-step the opponent and maybe dribble to his left/right for an uncontested shot (and miss, especially during first few games this season).

This is a welcome change.

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