Olbrannon wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:2

Ballsy

Not happening. NBA teams draft on potential. For all that he has done he wasn't really projected to be a possible NBA player till his senior year. and he's 23(4?) He still would not go higher than 10

oh, wanted to point out that Fields is only a few month older than the #2 pick Evans and #4 pick Wes Johnson is a year older than Fields.

Olbrannon wrote:His play is heady to say the least. Certainly makes the most of his physical skills. So...isn't Buike about due back what happens to Landry if Buike is his old self?

He has to get playing time- he should take minutes from Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, and Azubuike, IMO.

Paladin55 wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:His play is heady to say the least. Certainly makes the most of his physical skills. So...isn't Buike about due back what happens to Landry if Buike is his old self?

He has to get playing time- he should take minutes from Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, and Azubuike, IMO.

Let's play make believe and say that Buike comes back on top of his game. I think minutes would be taken away in this order(if it's based on how they are playing right now)
Billy Walker(probably out of the rotation)
Toney Douglas(not out of the rotation but he would lose minutes)
Anthony Randolph(Against smaller teams he would be out. Against bigger teams he would get spot minutes)
Gallinari(If he's still shooting poorly and Buike is shooting well I can see nights were he's in the 18-22 minute range.)
Landry(I see his minutes going up if he keeps playing like this)
Wilson(He takes crazy shots, some that hurt us badly, but I still think he is doing a strong job of filling a role that no one else on thsi team can. I think you keep him exactly where he is and tell him to stop shooting threes)

Olbrannon wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:2

Ballsy

Not happening. NBA teams draft on potential. For all that he has done he wasn't really projected to be a possible NBA player till his senior year. and he's 23(4?) He still would not go higher than 10

oh, wanted to point out that Fields is only a few month older than the #2 pick Evans and #4 pick Wes Johnson is a year older than Fields.

I think that qualifies as "owned". There is such a perception that because he was a senior that what we see now with him is his limit. It's such a crazy thing to say. The guy is 22 or 23 and can grow quite a bit in the next 5 years or so. Especially consider he didn't play a lot till his senior year, not a lot of miles on his body.

Owned?! Really? Nobody drools over a 22 yr old like they do the 19 yr old Favors or Wall Nobody. Who was the last senior to be a lottery pick? People are still drooling over AR because he is *gasp* 21

I never said any of these things are the way they are supposed to be. I only mentioned age because two (considered) equal talents on the board...You take the younger one.

Probably Tim Duncan.

How about this statement: all things being equal, the younger the player is, the more upside his potential may be, but there is also a downside risk to the youthiness (check out Beasley or Eddie Curry): maturity, being able to contribute right away, etc.

But there is nothing wrong with drafting a player who has 3 to 4 years of college experience and it probably should be help against the player especially if they continually showed improved (or dramatic improvement) late in their college careers.

I didn't compare Evan Turner's career to Landry's - Martin did, or at least mentioned their ages being older than Fields. Doesn't matter about the draft and where people go (as we have learned). This is a forum, there is no "It wasn't you I was discussing things with". It's open for all.

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:"Olbrannon - I say your more owned now after Martin's updated post Seriously, how do you skip over this:

oh, wanted to point out that Fields is only a few month older than the #2 pick Evans and #4 pick Wes Johnson is a year older than Fields.

and focus on my "owned" statement? "

Because it was immature and childish and added nothing to the conversation.
The only thing I was wrong on was the age and that was indicated to be possibly wrong
by the parenthesis and question mark.

i dont really care about the owning statement, it's all in good fun anyway. But the reason I put up the ages of Evans and Wes was to stress that teams don't necessarily draft based on age in regards to your statement of "Not happening. NBA teams draft on potential." and then you tie in Fields' age.

maybe you just meant strictly potential, maybe you meant that potential was also tied to age.

I meant it is all weighed and potential is actually emphasized beyond production (read one and done) Especially if a player doesn't break out until his senior year.
Again I iterate that Favors and Wall would still be drafted higher. Especially those two. but also Cousins at the least I never claimed it to be the correct/best way.

For all the seniors you mentioned I fail to see the parallels since I am pretty sure none of them got to go 1-5 unless they had more to base their "potential" on than one year

Again I say name me a 1-5 pick that only had great stats his senior year in college and was not even on the draft radar till that year? Make it a top ten pick?

And I don't presume to "own" you but it's "inevitable" if I am not mistaken.

TymeLessKnicks wrote:...with the 38th pick.

seriously though im not sure. people are comparing him to shane battier and he was picked 6th back in 2001...

All ACC defensive player of the year and also ACC leading scorer in same year-

Tim Duncan
Shane Battier
(2 I cannot recall)
and your own #23