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TMS
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11/17/2010  12:54 AM
AnubisADL wrote:My issue with firing D'Antoni now is who is going to replace him?

We really cant afford to be a lottery team this year.

can we afford NOT to replace him? looks like we're headed to the lottery again unless something changes & fast.

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11/17/2010  12:56 AM
AnubisADL wrote:If we fire D'Antoni we are going to have to make some trades. Just because D'Antoni plays guys out of position doesnt mean a new coach will want that.

Knicks have talent on the team, don't know why you would want to move them if there is new coach.

Lots of two-way players to mix and match.

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11/17/2010  12:56 AM
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:My issue with firing D'Antoni now is who is going to replace him?

We really cant afford to be a lottery team this year.

can we afford NOT to replace him? looks like we're headed to the lottery again unless something changes & fast.

If we can get Carmelo I think having a coach like D'Antoni might be better. This way we know Carmelo and Amare get enough touches on the night basis.

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11/17/2010  12:57 AM
TMS wrote:i think it's pretty obvious that MDA & DW haven't been on the same page since last year, from the way Jordan Hill was handled, to the way certain players were alienated & iced out by this head coach, to his complete inflexibility to alter his system to conform more to the roster that DW put together... he's got guys who aren't great 3 pt shooters launching up 3's at will... he's got guys who excel in the open court, uptempo style game trying to run the PnR & failing on every possession... he's got a kid like Danilo Gallinari who DW drafted, an all around game prospect, turning into a 3 pt. specialist... Anthony Randolph is just another example, MDA's got him shooting J's on the perimeter instead of slashing to the hole & playing off his athleticism & finishing ability.

Looked like they ran a play for him early on and then nothing. They need to keep him busy or he drifts.

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11/17/2010  1:10 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:My issue with firing D'Antoni now is who is going to replace him?

We really cant afford to be a lottery team this year.

can we afford NOT to replace him? looks like we're headed to the lottery again unless something changes & fast.

If we can get Carmelo I think having a coach like D'Antoni might be better. This way we know Carmelo and Amare get enough touches on the night basis.

if we got Nash, then i'd tend to want to keep MDA... but if this article has any truth to it that MDA has already lost the team, then what's the point in continuing on? anything he tells them is going in 1 ear & out the other if that's the case... not saying i think that's already happened, but it is a definite issue if it's true.

i think Melo & Amare would work, but we will need dirty work players around them that are willing to sacrifice their own games to allow those 2 superstars to shine while they do all the other things to help the team win games... i think guys like Fields, Turiaf and Douglas are good candidates to fill those types of roles... Wilson not so much since he's playing for a contract this season & isn't the smartest player in terms of hoops IQ... & the way Gallo & AR are playing this season, i'm no longer convinced either one of them are ideal components for a winning formula, which is pretty sad because i really had high hopes & expectations for them, especially Gallo... but as it stands now, it doesn't seem like MDA is getting through to either one of them... maybe it is time to go with a new voice before we tank yet another season? i'm not opposed to bringing in someone else that will preach more motion, better shot selection & a clear focus on defense.

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11/17/2010  1:14 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Fuck it, I want him back.

We've sucked since he departed. We need him back to reclaim some old glory.

I would love him but back it's not happening with the way he departed.

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11/17/2010  1:16 AM
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Childs2Dudley wrote:Fuck it, I want him back.

We've sucked since he departed. We need him back to reclaim some old glory.

I would love him but back it's not happening with the way he departed.

He burnt out the last time here, and now he's older.

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11/17/2010  1:20 AM
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Childs2Dudley wrote:Fuck it, I want him back.

We've sucked since he departed. We need him back to reclaim some old glory.

I would love him but back it's not happening with the way he departed.

but for Dolan, I bet JVG would be very temped to come back again.

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11/17/2010  1:22 AM
JVG would win 50 games with this team. The talent is here. The current coach refuses to coach the team on the floor. He's trying to make this team play like it's the 2006 Suns.

Hubie Brown would win 50 games here with this squad.

Not sure about Mark Jackson... but I'm getting more and more curious.

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11/17/2010  1:23 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Fuck it, I want him back.

We've sucked since he departed. We need him back to reclaim some old glory.

I would love him but back it's not happening with the way he departed.

He burnt out the last time here, and now he's older.

And keep in mind he had the team above .500 when he left. The guy just seems to lose it. Still a great coach though. At least he would store some order and get these guys attention.

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11/17/2010  1:31 AM
crzymdups wrote:JVG would win 50 games with this team. The talent is here. The current coach refuses to coach the team on the floor. He's trying to make this team play like it's the 2006 Suns.

Hubie Brown would win 50 games here with this squad.

Not sure about Mark Jackson... but I'm getting more and more curious.

I think Mark would be a good coaching candidate but think of this. How many GOOD coaches have zero experience and then suddenly become good coaches. At the top of my head, the best or top coaches had to work their way to the top. I'm not sure, to be honest, how exactly it was for Riley, Greg Pop, Jax or Sloan, but I'm sure they didn't just appear out of the woodwork. MDA, Mike Brown, Larry Brown, Avery Johnson, Stan Van Gundy, Jeff Van Gundy, Lawrence Frank: All these guys started as assistants and/or coached in college or Europe before becoming NBA head coaches. The only guy I can think of at the top of my head that I don't think had much experience is Doc Rivers, but he's an exception.

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11/17/2010  1:35 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:JVG would win 50 games with this team. The talent is here. The current coach refuses to coach the team on the floor. He's trying to make this team play like it's the 2006 Suns.

Hubie Brown would win 50 games here with this squad.

Not sure about Mark Jackson... but I'm getting more and more curious.

I think Mark would be a good coaching candidate but think of this. How many GOOD coaches have zero experience and then suddenly become good coaches. At the top of my head, the best or top coaches had to work their way to the top. I'm not sure, to be honest, how exactly it was for Riley, Greg Pop, Jax or Sloan, but I'm sure they didn't just appear out of the woodwork. MDA, Mike Brown, Larry Brown, Avery Johnson, Stan Van Gundy, Jeff Van Gundy, Lawrence Frank: All these guys started as assistants and/or coached in college or Europe before becoming NBA head coaches. The only guy I can think of at the top of my head that I don't think had much experience is Doc Rivers, but he's an exception.

Frank Isola pointed out the other day that four division leading coaches have Knicks ties in Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, Monty Williams and Tom Thibodeau. (He also named Stan Van Gundy, but other than being Jeff's brother, I don't think he has any official Knicks ties.)

Maybe it's time to give one of own a chance again.

Bring back Mark Jax (Donnie traded for him twice) and let Jax hire Ewing and Oakley as his big man coaches and bring in a top flight assistant who knows the game.

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11/17/2010  1:37 AM
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crzymdups wrote:JVG would win 50 games with this team. The talent is here. The current coach refuses to coach the team on the floor. He's trying to make this team play like it's the 2006 Suns.

Hubie Brown would win 50 games here with this squad.

Not sure about Mark Jackson... but I'm getting more and more curious.

I think Mark would be a good coaching candidate but think of this. How many GOOD coaches have zero experience and then suddenly become good coaches. At the top of my head, the best or top coaches had to work their way to the top. I'm not sure, to be honest, how exactly it was for Riley, Greg Pop, Jax or Sloan, but I'm sure they didn't just appear out of the woodwork. MDA, Mike Brown, Larry Brown, Avery Johnson, Stan Van Gundy, Jeff Van Gundy, Lawrence Frank: All these guys started as assistants and/or coached in college or Europe before becoming NBA head coaches. The only guy I can think of at the top of my head that I don't think had much experience is Doc Rivers, but he's an exception.

Rivers and Jackson were both PG's too iirc. And it's not like Jackson doesn't know NY or fit. I think by December first if it's going to happen it will.

So who wants to guess this "source" Hahn mabbe since they definitely wouldn't want him to run a story like that?

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11/17/2010  1:44 AM
I definitely believe Walsh and D'Antoni are not on the same page. This has that weird feel of that early Larry Brown meets Isiah season. Power struggle. Different agendas at work. I think MDA's seat could be hotter than even he realizes. But he's probably thinking his contract runs one season longer than Donnie's...

this could get ugly. fast.

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11/17/2010  1:49 AM
wilson just tweeted this...

wilson_chandler

No G Money ****, all we got is us!

about 1 hour ago via ÜberTwitter
Retweeted by Amareisreal and 2 others

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11/17/2010  1:52 AM
crzymdups wrote:wilson just tweeted this...

wilson_chandler

No G Money ****, all we got is us!

about 1 hour ago via ÜberTwitter
Retweeted by Amareisreal and 2 others

LOL what does it mean?

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11/17/2010  1:54 AM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:wilson just tweeted this...

wilson_chandler

No G Money ****, all we got is us!

about 1 hour ago via ÜberTwitter
Retweeted by Amareisreal and 2 others

LOL what does it mean?

it probably means we all need to go to bed. but i like the idea of the team ignoring d'antoni telling them to shoot threes and saying "no g money **** right now MDA!"

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11/17/2010  5:09 AM
scary that MDA could have lost the team this early in the season.

I don't know that this team would be, or could be, 8 & 3. They might have the same record. But I've said the key was how we are losing, and so many of our problems are the same from last year, and the year before.

At what point does a coach realize his team of shooters might not be good enough to launch a whole bunch from the 3 pt line?

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11/17/2010  8:06 AM
crzymdups wrote:JVG would win 50 games with this team. The talent is here. The current coach refuses to coach the team on the floor. He's trying to make this team play like it's the 2006 Suns.

Hubie Brown would win 50 games here with this squad.

Not sure about Mark Jackson... but I'm getting more and more curious.

I totally agree. We have a load of big long players and we play like everyone on the floor is a SG. We showed last night we can work the glass, we block tons of shots, we can play defense and we can sure as hell score on the break. Yet we keep taking these 3's. Its like a vacation for the opposing defense.

There seems to be no concentration on doing what this team does well. What we DONT do well is shoot the 3, yet we continue to take 30 a game and there is a lot of standing around on offense

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11/17/2010  8:20 AM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:JVG would win 50 games with this team. The talent is here. The current coach refuses to coach the team on the floor. He's trying to make this team play like it's the 2006 Suns.

Hubie Brown would win 50 games here with this squad.

Not sure about Mark Jackson... but I'm getting more and more curious.

I totally agree. We have a load of big long players and we play like everyone on the floor is a SG. We showed last night we can work the glass, we block tons of shots, we can play defense and we can sure as hell score on the break. Yet we keep taking these 3's. Its like a vacation for the opposing defense.

There seems to be no concentration on doing what this team does well. What we DONT do well is shoot the 3, yet we continue to take 30 a game and there is a lot of standing around on offense

THANK you.

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