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This is fiasco is all walsh and mda
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King1
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11/17/2010  10:51 AM
briggs i tried to email you and it came back email me elong@dntstl.com my gatord took it on the chin last night yuck. I am just hoping Lee will get out of the hospital soon and that wilson would start brushing his teeth lol
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11/17/2010  10:52 AM
King1 wrote:Walsh put together a team that doesn't fit mda system. These two guys aren't on the same page.

Maybe Walsh is building a team that CAN play in MDAs system, but one he wants to contend for a chip even AFTER D'Antoni quits or is fired. Walsh isn't married to MDA, but he is certainly in bed with him right now. His main commitment is to the Knicks and to his own reputation. MDA will get a bunch of time this year to prove his system. If it fails, he might get some chance to adapt (which he will neglect to do). Then he will get fired and Walsh will put someone in place who can win with the players we have, who are a solid bunch.

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11/17/2010  10:54 AM
umynot wrote: Felton is not the right guy to bring ball up EVERY play...... Nor does he need to handle every play in Half court....

Walsh and need a PG to pull this all together .... Then Felton off the bench looks much better!!

I agree about Felton in this system. But $8mil for a backup PG? Ouch.

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11/17/2010  11:15 AM
Dude...at this point I'd sign up for 35-40 wins. This looks like a 30 win team to me from what I've seen. And Anthony Randolph to me is a carbon copy of Kwame Brown in terms of mental toughness and work ethic. I don't know if it's because Nelson destroyed his confidence or what, but he looks putrid out there. And I mean send him to the D-League for a few months putrid. Or involve him in a trade for something...anything of value.
D'Antoni has proven himself to be a bad coach. I have no problem with Walsh. But this doesn't look like a team that is being coached.
BRIGGS
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11/17/2010  11:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2010  11:48 AM
MSG3 wrote:Dude...at this point I'd sign up for 35-40 wins. This looks like a 30 win team to me from what I've seen. And Anthony Randolph to me is a carbon copy of Kwame Brown in terms of mental toughness and work ethic. I don't know if it's because Nelson destroyed his confidence or what, but he looks putrid out there. And I mean send him to the D-League for a few months putrid. Or involve him in a trade for something...anything of value.
D'Antoni has proven himself to be a bad coach. I have no problem with Walsh. But this doesn't look like a team that is being coached.

I agree with sending him to the D league--I don't know if we can/?? but I think he should go to the D league with a defined role of 4. yes he can still dribble the rebound up and yes he can take some mid range shots--but emphasize low post play rebounding and defense. This offseason he needs to work on explosive strength techniques

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11/17/2010  12:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2010  12:39 PM
It's all Dolan. If you think it's all Walsh & MDA, you missed the past decade. The 2010 FA plan fared terribly but once Lebron & Wade were taken, I highly doubt Dolan would have let Walsh do the right thing: make no major FA signings and just use our cap space to acquire draft picks and young players on rookie contracts.
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11/17/2010  1:11 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Dude...at this point I'd sign up for 35-40 wins. This looks like a 30 win team to me from what I've seen. And Anthony Randolph to me is a carbon copy of Kwame Brown in terms of mental toughness and work ethic. I don't know if it's because Nelson destroyed his confidence or what, but he looks putrid out there. And I mean send him to the D-League for a few months putrid. Or involve him in a trade for something...anything of value.
D'Antoni has proven himself to be a bad coach. I have no problem with Walsh. But this doesn't look like a team that is being coached.

I agree with sending him to the D league--I don't know if we can/?? but I think he should go to the D league with a defined role of 4. yes he can still dribble the rebound up and yes he can take some mid range shots--but emphasize low post play rebounding and defense. This offseason he needs to work on explosive strength techniques

I agree. I think he needs to play some where, where he can be the man. Somewhere where people are relying on him to carry them everynight. Maybe this would get some of his energy back. I didn't see him at LSU or GState so I'm not sure if this is a confidence thing or a laziness thing. I do know that he isn't bringing it right now. He definitely should have stayed in school. From what I've seen Nelson was 100% correct in giving him sporadic minutes. this guy should be flying around like Landry does. If he was doing that then I wouldn't care if he missed every shot he took. But he's simply not bringing it.

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11/17/2010  1:20 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Where is Nixluva?? Where is Nixluva to defend Mike D or has Nixluva turned on him to?

Don't know why people are turning on Nixluva for being optimistic- I've lost my faith in this team for the time being and am depressed at their performance, but I don't see why you need to trash someone just because they don't share your cynicism.

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11/17/2010  1:22 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Where is Nixluva?? Where is Nixluva to defend Mike D or has Nixluva turned on him to?

Don't know why people are turning on Nixluva for being optimistic- I've lost my faith in this team for the time being and am depressed at their performance, but I don't see why you need to trash someone just because they don't share your cynicism.

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you're oversensitive like a dog that's been whacked. hey wait a second . . .

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11/17/2010  1:26 PM
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King1 wrote:Walsh put together a team that doesn't fit mda system. These two guys aren't on the same page.

D'Antoni has no system without Steve Nash.

So short of getting Nash, there is nothing else Walsh could do.

Mike didn't have a problem with the team in training camp. This was his type of team. He was happy with the players acquired. His style is just not good basketball without amazing players.

When a select few were saying this upon the hiring of D'AnToni you and others were going around telling fans to STFU never satisfied... saying our GM made such a great move

Some fans stick close to this sport, more so than others.

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11/17/2010  3:20 PM
Juice wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
King1 wrote:Walsh put together a team that doesn't fit mda system. These two guys aren't on the same page.

D'Antoni has no system without Steve Nash.

So short of getting Nash, there is nothing else Walsh could do.

Mike didn't have a problem with the team in training camp. This was his type of team. He was happy with the players acquired. His style is just not good basketball without amazing players.

When a select few were saying this upon the hiring of D'AnToni you and others were going around telling fans to STFU never satisfied... saying our GM made such a great move

Some fans stick close to this sport, more so than others.

The with you TrueBlue is that you've been categorically wrong on every else. So being right on one thing when you've been negative on everything isn't too hard.

I, too, had my reservations about D'Antoni but like any reasonable fan I was going to give him some time to prove himself. In the end he didn't and so it goes.

"Our attitude toward life determines life's attitude towards us." - Earl Nightingale
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11/17/2010  3:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2010  3:54 PM
I was encouraged early by s ome of the stiff D being played but that only proved that the players accumulated by DW CAN play D and when the 3's fall they can win. BUT DW does not push the D and continues to rely on the bomb even when they don't fall. He knows the game but doesn't adjust. The problem is not Walsh, this team can play 500+ ball and has future flexibility. The problem is coach the whose only professional success is with two all stars who fit his system and he is proving he can't adjust to his players.

If they don't win the majority of the remaining games on this trip the replacement search must be quick and decisive. Dolan has to call and lick JVG's boots or give Jackson a shot if DW determines the instinct for D is there with his other qualities. Franks is also a possibility.

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11/17/2010  5:38 PM
I think there's been a rush to bash MDA and it's funny cuz when he came out and wasn't overly enthusiastic about the teams chances everyone jumped on him. The team is young and full of guys that need to learn how to play. Yes we have athletes and that's great. We have to get more things working properly tho. No pure PG play is a problem. It's not about having Nash. It's about basic things you need a PG to be on the floor. The PG has to direct and setup easy scores. Felton can get his own, but he and TD stink at setting up teammates and that would hurt a lot of coaches. It's still early tho.

No PnR and poor 3pt shooting, plus awful halfcourt decision making by our PG's is a lot to overcome and yet this team has mostly been in position to win games. Let's not throw Mike under the bus just yet. I still think that things will be very successful this year. Over the course of a season you're gonna have losing streaks, so this one coming early isn't that off-putting for me. It's disappointing, but I never expected a smooth road to the playoffs this year. I fully expected a slow start and for the team to have a better 2nd half. The team actually came out stronger than I expected, but have lost their way. I don't think it makes sense to panic. They have to learn and fight out of this downturn. The team played hard last night. Not always smart, but I didn't see a coach that lost his team by any stretch.

This is fiasco is all walsh and mda

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