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bernard
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1/22/2004  3:32 PM
With you, Fish ... love Spree, hate Sheed. Spree always played to his potential ... can't say the same about the other guy. Sheed's been in the league too long for people to be talking about his talent (top 10 in the league!). The fact that he hasn't done all that much with it speaks volumes. He's played under different coaches, with different teammates against different opposition ... what you see is what you get. Great offensive skills, good offensive production, mediocre defense all wrapped up in a loser who hurts your team more than he helps it. We'd win fewer games with Sheed than either KT or KVH, straight up.
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1/22/2004  3:33 PM
I've been watching Sheed play for years now, from back when he was in Washington. That is exactly why I believe he'll be a solid low-post man on the Knicks.

Regardless of what he did before, and how those things specifically parallel with Spree's issues don't matter to me. I strongly believe that a change in scenery will lead to Sheed being a better player. I stand firmly by my previous statements.

The Knicks need Sheed, and Sheed needs the Knicks...
It's just a matter of time before the deal's done.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 01/22/2004 15:33:48]
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1/22/2004  3:41 PM
What's he going to give us that we need? An athletic forward? Yes... I will concede that. He's a far superior athlete to Kurt. But thats about it. Is he giving us 20 points in the post a night?

Is it possible that a change of scenery is all he needs? Hey, anything is possible.

Sit on this: LAyden ruined this team because he asked players to do things they had never done before. He asked Rice to be a PF, Camby to play center 40 minutes a night, Spree to play SF (that one was ok), Kurt to be a STARTER, Ward and Eisley to be STARTERS, Houston to carry a scoring load, McDyess to return to health, Anderson to do anything, the list goes on.

Now your asking Wallace to do things he's NEVER done in his career. Play hard defense every night and be a post player.

Anytime your betting on something thats never happened before its a BAD bet. I would rather improve the role players and be patient than ruin this team with a disaster like Raweed.

You didnt answer my first question... when you see him play what inspires you?

[Edited by - fishmike on 01/22/2004 15:43:25]
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1/22/2004  4:01 PM
Alot to respond to, Fish... but here it is.

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Posted by fishmike:

What's he going to give us that we need? An athletic forward? Yes... I will concede that. He's a far superior athlete to Kurt. But thats about it. Is he giving us 20 points in the post a night?
With Starbury here? Yes. His points, rebounds and assists will improve.

Is it possible that a change of scenery is all he needs? Hey, anything is possible.
IMO he need that and a good situation. He needs to be somewhere where he's not the first or second option night in, night out. He needs to be somewhere where the organization has a plan, and is committed to involving him in that plan. He need to be somewhere he can be taught to focus his energy. 15 years ago, Sheed would have been on a team like Isiah's Bad Boys in Detroit. It's 2004 and Sheed could be on a team like Isiah's Bad Boys in New York.

Sit on this: Layden ruined this team because he asked players to do things they had never done before. He asked Rice to be a PF, Camby to play center 40 minutes a night, Spree to play SF (that one was ok), Kurt to be a STARTER, Ward and Eisley to be STARTERS, Houston to carry a scoring load, McDyess to return to health, Anderson to do anything, the list goes on.

Now your asking Wallace to do things he's NEVER done in his career. Play hard defense every night and be a post player.
OK, now Sheed's NEVER been a post player??? How long have you been watching Sheed play? Plus, he can't play bettr D in a different system? Now you are stretching it.

Anytime your betting on something thats never happened before its a BAD bet. I would rather improve the role players and be patient than ruin this team with a disaster like Raweed.
Some of us will be pessimists, while others will be optimists.

You didnt answer my first question... when you see him play what inspires you?
Prior to the last year or so, Sheed played in the post. Well.
Since the blazers got Zach Randolph, Sheed has been more of an outside player. The idea of him in the low blocks on the Knicks "inspires" me. This cat can stop madness like what Mo Taylor did to us last night. Sheed has survived in the west for awhile, playing against bigger opposition and still being able to flourish. Imagine the impact he'd have in the East. That inspires me too.
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1/22/2004  4:17 PM
Seems to me anything without Layden and Chaney insires you.
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1/22/2004  4:19 PM
Posted by gogetit:

Seems to me anything without Layden and Chaney insires you.

Yeah, Playa, you are right about that. LMAO!
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1/22/2004  4:28 PM
So core, how long is it gonna be before ya fake messiah get a PF that will make a difference. Bruno Samartino won't do it!
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1/22/2004  4:35 PM
Posted by gogetit:

So core, how long is it gonna be before ya fake messiah get a PF that will make a difference. Bruno Samartino won't do it!
hey, if you had read some news paper articles or watched some sports news or even read some of these posts, you would know that isiah has been working his butt off to land a solid big man or and athletic player, and you would also know that all trades must happen before february 19. so, anything could happen in that time period with this knicks roster. and you are rigth about bruno samartino.
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1/22/2004  4:41 PM
"Some of us will be pessimists, while others will be optimists. "

Thats where ya got me wrong... even if we did get Wallace (still hope we dont) I will be watching waiting for him to thrill, NOT to spill.

I HATED the KVH trade because I could see Layden try and build a team around him, but I never rooted against Keith.

Also, until he pulls a total dud I have blind faith in Isiah. If Thomas thinks Raweed is what the Knicks need than I will pull for the guy.

Your right about Zach... he HAS pushed Wallace out of the post more because he's simply a better post player, but Wallace reminds me way to much of Webber, especially in crunch time. The tougher the game gets the further away from the hoop Wallace goes.

My judgement (like with KVH) will come down to what Wallace makes. Your right he DOESNT want to be the star and the #1 option, he's more comfortable playing off guys. If Wallace comes here and demands (and we of course comply) a max type contract its a disaster. Your then married to a guy with (putting it nicely) a long history of being a headcase at max money.

If Wallace resigns for 5 years and $45-$50 mill (about $8 mill year one to $12 mill year 5) then I'm open to that.

The $17 mill Wallace is making this year is a disgrace. My only care is if you give him a huge deal your stuck with it for 5 years. Otherwise I could care less about what the Garden does with their money.
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1/22/2004  5:03 PM
We see more eye-to-eye than I figured, Fish.

Regarding the Sheed aquisition, I can see you rooting for him as a Knick. My issue was the slanted angle which some people view him in. We all know that he's been into more than a little drama, but in the right situation, his star can really and truly shine. I'd like to see Sheed live all that down- here in NY on the Knicks.

A 5-year deal sounds good to me. They should also include contractual incentives (based on performance) in that extension deal. That can be just another way to maintain his motivation.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 01/22/2004 17:11:14]
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1/22/2004  5:11 PM
Don't worry about the future if Dolan-Thomas won't.

Portland is holding out for top dollar for RaWheed.

dolan did a 180 on us and is "insane in the membrame". I hope thomas is still here in a few years when the mortage is due. Pipeline is dry. Does not mean I dislike Marbury, just a fact. We need to get luckey with assets going forward.

I don't want to pay up big for Rahweed. He better sign with us, and not for big money. If he burns us, its Thomas's head, not that spot incrusted Rahweed head.

FOr and against points have been presented well here. If marbury can make him better, then ok.

With Pippen, Sabonis, and other great Portland players they have underachieved badly and Rashweed has been a problem. Portland has had great talent and Rashweed has not been there at crunch time. He does not deserve the big money.

No doubt Rashweed this year and next would help over the present roster. If thats what its all about, ok. They can just keep doing the hookey pookey and turn themselves around..........

[Edited by - Nalod on 01/22/2004 17:13:35]
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1/22/2004  5:25 PM
the pipeline isnt totally dry. We saw Frank play very well for stretches and MArk Aguire raves about Sweetney's skills, he just needs to improve his body.

We have a couple 2nd round picks as well as the MLE to use on a young up and coming player (Chris Anderson is my favorite)
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1/22/2004  6:36 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the pipeline isnt totally dry. We saw Frank play very well for stretches and MArk Aguire raves about Sweetney's skills, he just needs to improve his body.

We have a couple 2nd round picks as well as the MLE to use on a young up and coming player (Chris Anderson is my favorite)
feeling you fish. chris came out of nowhere. he kind of remins me of camby, love watching him play w/all that energy. THAT is what the knicks need.
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1/22/2004  7:31 PM
The pipeline will be fine when you have a young 26 year old star guard who will be around for years, sweetney and Frank are good prospects and we only traded next years first round pick and control the future pick, we will have a pick in 2005... Our future will be fine....
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1/22/2004  8:02 PM
I said the same thing on another thread, TKF. I LOL at those who seem to panic so early, and for no reason. There is still ample time to make a move. Although I believe that a trade is coming down the pipe soon, waiting till the deadline's nearer could prove beneficial. Several teams will get desperate and panicky (some are aleady seeming that way), and will be more willing to make a trade.

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1/22/2004  8:42 PM
Hardcore: Yea that is funny, we trade a pick this year in a weak draft, milos who was too chicken to come and compete for a job and lampe who has never gotten of the IR, and we receive Starbury a 26 year old star PG, we have a lottery Pick in sweetney and a lottery talent in Frank williams and all of a sudden our future is in Jeapordy. Sometimes people in here make me wonder...LOL
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1/22/2004  8:49 PM
i dont know how anyone cannot see that the addition of rasheed would make our team one of the best in the east. we'd have 3 starters who are allstars, granted houston is a couple yrs removed. plus, its J.O'Neal, and KMart, and players like that that dominate us,(meaning KT and Deke). But Rasheed, being as athletic as he is, can keep up with them defensively while also being able to score on them. it would definately make us a favorite in the east.
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1/22/2004  9:06 PM
Posted by tkf:

we will have a pick in 2005... Our future will be fine....

We gave away two first round picks which wil be used this yr and possibly in 2005..
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1/22/2004  9:22 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by tkf:

we will have a pick in 2005... Our future will be fine....

We gave away two first round picks which wil be used this yr and possibly in 2005..
that 2nd pick can be anytime between now and 2010. Pick a year we have a good seed and a weak draft and who cares if we miss the next Danny Forston?

Here's a plan. Draft some Euro players in the 2nd round, hype them to all hell then use them as throw ins with an expiring contract to get another star in a couple years when KVH and Penny's contracts are up.

Oh wait... we did that already :)
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1/22/2004  9:28 PM
Here's a plan. Draft some Euro players in the 2nd round, hype them to all hell then use them as throw ins with an expiring contract to get another star in a couple years when KVH and Penny's contracts are up.

Oh wait... we did that already :)

now THAT is funny.

thtas exactly what i thought. the irst rounders hurt a little but with a good team they should be late first rounders (big deal).

milos i grew to hate more and more. who do you think you are to come into the best bball league in the world and demand a starting spot?

i am personally glad we got rid of that chump.
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