What's he going to give us that we need? An athletic forward? Yes... I will concede that. He's a far superior athlete to Kurt. But thats about it. Is he giving us 20 points in the post a night?

Is it possible that a change of scenery is all he needs? Hey, anything is possible.

Sit on this: LAyden ruined this team because he asked players to do things they had never done before. He asked Rice to be a PF, Camby to play center 40 minutes a night, Spree to play SF (that one was ok), Kurt to be a STARTER, Ward and Eisley to be STARTERS, Houston to carry a scoring load, McDyess to return to health, Anderson to do anything, the list goes on.

Now your asking Wallace to do things he's NEVER done in his career. Play hard defense every night and be a post player.

Anytime your betting on something thats never happened before its a BAD bet. I would rather improve the role players and be patient than ruin this team with a disaster like Raweed.

You didnt answer my first question... when you see him play what inspires you?

[Edited by - fishmike on 01/22/2004 15:43:25]

Seems to me anything without Layden and Chaney insires you.

So core, how long is it gonna be before ya fake messiah get a PF that will make a difference. Bruno Samartino won't do it!

"Some of us will be pessimists, while others will be optimists. "

Thats where ya got me wrong... even if we did get Wallace (still hope we dont) I will be watching waiting for him to thrill, NOT to spill.

I HATED the KVH trade because I could see Layden try and build a team around him, but I never rooted against Keith.

Also, until he pulls a total dud I have blind faith in Isiah. If Thomas thinks Raweed is what the Knicks need than I will pull for the guy.

Your right about Zach... he HAS pushed Wallace out of the post more because he's simply a better post player, but Wallace reminds me way to much of Webber, especially in crunch time. The tougher the game gets the further away from the hoop Wallace goes.

My judgement (like with KVH) will come down to what Wallace makes. Your right he DOESNT want to be the star and the #1 option, he's more comfortable playing off guys. If Wallace comes here and demands (and we of course comply) a max type contract its a disaster. Your then married to a guy with (putting it nicely) a long history of being a headcase at max money.

If Wallace resigns for 5 years and $45-$50 mill (about $8 mill year one to $12 mill year 5) then I'm open to that.

The $17 mill Wallace is making this year is a disgrace. My only care is if you give him a huge deal your stuck with it for 5 years. Otherwise I could care less about what the Garden does with their money.

Don't worry about the future if Dolan-Thomas won't.

Portland is holding out for top dollar for RaWheed.

dolan did a 180 on us and is "insane in the membrame". I hope thomas is still here in a few years when the mortage is due. Pipeline is dry. Does not mean I dislike Marbury, just a fact. We need to get luckey with assets going forward.

I don't want to pay up big for Rahweed. He better sign with us, and not for big money. If he burns us, its Thomas's head, not that spot incrusted Rahweed head.

FOr and against points have been presented well here. If marbury can make him better, then ok.

With Pippen, Sabonis, and other great Portland players they have underachieved badly and Rashweed has been a problem. Portland has had great talent and Rashweed has not been there at crunch time. He does not deserve the big money.

No doubt Rashweed this year and next would help over the present roster. If thats what its all about, ok. They can just keep doing the hookey pookey and turn themselves around..........

[Edited by - Nalod on 01/22/2004 17:13:35]

Posted by fishmike:

the pipeline isnt totally dry. We saw Frank play very well for stretches and MArk Aguire raves about Sweetney's skills, he just needs to improve his body.

We have a couple 2nd round picks as well as the MLE to use on a young up and coming player (Chris Anderson is my favorite)

feeling you fish. chris came out of nowhere. he kind of remins me of camby, love watching him play w/all that energy. THAT is what the knicks need.

I said the same thing on another thread, TKF. I LOL at those who seem to panic so early, and for no reason. There is still ample time to make a move. Although I believe that a trade is coming down the pipe soon, waiting till the deadline's nearer could prove beneficial. Several teams will get desperate and panicky (some are aleady seeming that way), and will be more willing to make a trade.

i dont know how anyone cannot see that the addition of rasheed would make our team one of the best in the east. we'd have 3 starters who are allstars, granted houston is a couple yrs removed. plus, its J.O'Neal, and KMart, and players like that that dominate us,(meaning KT and Deke). But Rasheed, being as athletic as he is, can keep up with them defensively while also being able to score on them. it would definately make us a favorite in the east.

Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Posted by tkf:

we will have a pick in 2005... Our future will be fine....

We gave away two first round picks which wil be used this yr and possibly in 2005..

that 2nd pick can be anytime between now and 2010. Pick a year we have a good seed and a weak draft and who cares if we miss the next Danny Forston?

Here's a plan. Draft some Euro players in the 2nd round, hype them to all hell then use them as throw ins with an expiring contract to get another star in a couple years when KVH and Penny's contracts are up.

Oh wait... we did that already :)