Uptown wrote:

eViL wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:Am I the only one to understand that a team made of 10 new players has to go through a lot of games to play good basketball ?

I've never expected them to play as a unit before halfway through this season. It's a process, and you guys aren't patient. It takes time, and they'll get there. They're young, athletic, and have loads of potential.

you are right. i'm not patient. i was patient for 2 years. now, when we are faced with inferior opponents with terrible records, i expect the team to win. i haven't given up. but i will not make any more excuses for the team. nor will i accept any more excuses. that being said, i'm always a knicks fan so i hope they turn it around before more of us go nuts. let's go knicks.

2 years? Try 6 years since we last made the playoffs, 10 years since we last won a playoff game and almost 40 years since we won a championship. We've seen worse than this, just look back at the Layden/Isiah years. But to each his own...

Well, that's the problem right here. Because we have had to go through 10 terrible years, we can't be patient with the new team. But in reality, you had to reset the count last offseason. It's Year 1 of a new team, that has just played 10 regular season games. What happened last year or 6 years ago has nothing to do with the new team.

arkrud wrote:I am enjoing Rangers and it took 4 years of transitional coaching with Mikes clone (it was juts offensivly limited guy) and dumpig him for real two-way coach to get things going.
It also took 4 years to cleanup the cap mess and build team up.
Knicks will not be good for another 2 years baring a miracle.
So it is OK to step out and save some nerves.

Tom Renney deserve love... he's the one the brought about a culture change in NY and got the team into the playoffs year after year after nothing. He's the 4th winningest coach in team history for Christ's sake, and he did that after the Rangers put a Layden/Thomas product on the ice.

Tom Renney did a helluva lot more the Pringles or Isiah or whatever overhyped garbage the Knicks roll out.

FrenchKnicks wrote:

Uptown wrote:

eViL wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:Am I the only one to understand that a team made of 10 new players has to go through a lot of games to play good basketball ?

I've never expected them to play as a unit before halfway through this season. It's a process, and you guys aren't patient. It takes time, and they'll get there. They're young, athletic, and have loads of potential.

you are right. i'm not patient. i was patient for 2 years. now, when we are faced with inferior opponents with terrible records, i expect the team to win. i haven't given up. but i will not make any more excuses for the team. nor will i accept any more excuses. that being said, i'm always a knicks fan so i hope they turn it around before more of us go nuts. let's go knicks.

2 years? Try 6 years since we last made the playoffs, 10 years since we last won a playoff game and almost 40 years since we won a championship. We've seen worse than this, just look back at the Layden/Isiah years. But to each his own...

Well, that's the problem right here. Because we have had to go through 10 terrible years, we can't be patient with the new team. But in reality, you had to reset the count last offseason. It's Year 1 of a new team, that has just played 10 regular season games. What happened last year or 6 years ago has nothing to do with the new team.

this is my perspective. gotta compartmentalize it out.

Silverfuel wrote:^I'm starting to see it that way but its tough to overlook the issues. They shoot too many 3's and except for Turiaf and Fields, they don't defend.

check out my new thread.

FrenchKnicks wrote:Well, that's the problem right here. Because we have had to go through 10 terrible years, we can't be patient with the new team. But in reality, you had to reset the count last offseason. It's Year 1 of a new team, that has just played 10 regular season games. What happened last year or 6 years ago has nothing to do with the new team.

Gallo & Wilson have been with this coach for the past 2 years, TD was on the team last year... still none of them look like they know what they're supposed to be doing out on the floor on a consistent basis... you'd figure they'd know this system by now, but doesn't look to me like they do... Amare i know for damn sure knows this system inside & out but even he looks lost on occasion... sure it takes time to get used to playing with new teammates, but that doesn't explain the whole story out there... these guys simply don't look like they know what to do half the time i watch them out on the floor, that goes for everyone on the team... a lot of times i see a buncha guys catching the ball or dribbling up court & launching up 3's... not to say that's all they do but it sure does look like it happens an awful lot... i don't see any type of moving the ball around to find the open shooter, working off picks & screens to free up someone, not nearly enough backdoor cuts to get easy open baskets... it's all catch & shoot or iso's i'm seeing out there of late... it's ridiculous.

martin wrote:what if the focus of the coaching staff was to work on defense first this year and then tack on offense later?

Once, our goal was to get two-way players. Now it seems we need two-way coaches...

We don't have a winning culture yet. We are young, inconsistant and when the threes don't rain in we do down big in a hurry.

I like the players on this team.

I am rooting for them to get better. They got off better then I thought they would. WE got scouted and our weekness was found.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

eViL wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:Am I the only one to understand that a team made of 10 new players has to go through a lot of games to play good basketball ?

I've never expected them to play as a unit before halfway through this season. It's a process, and you guys aren't patient. It takes time, and they'll get there. They're young, athletic, and have loads of potential.

you are right. i'm not patient. i was patient for 2 years. now, when we are faced with inferior opponents with terrible records, i expect the team to win. i haven't given up. but i will not make any more excuses for the team. nor will i accept any more excuses. that being said, i'm always a knicks fan so i hope they turn it around before more of us go nuts. let's go knicks.

2 years? Try 6 years since we last made the playoffs, 10 years since we last won a playoff game and almost 40 years since we won a championship. We've seen worse than this, just look back at the Layden/Isiah years. But to each his own...

Layden/Isiah years were worse?? really??...Layden teams were around .500...Isiah teams made it interesting until January...

Defending Isiah now.

Nice.

And Layden...

Yeah, because, you're like, really smart.

I would love to be capped out and terrible than have a nice team with flexibility that only needs a coaching change to get better.

You should join the MSG PR team.

Hey Holfresh, do you ever get tired of being right and having people who haven't got a clue jump all over you, then agreeing with you 1 year later, yet never admitting how wrong they were to begin with?

oohah

Childs2Dudley wrote:oohah only comes around here to stroke his own ego. Kinda sad.

The fact is I wasn't jumping for joy at the D'Antoni hire when it was first made but I was prepared to stick with him for the next 2 years with a garbage team. It is now apparent his coaching style is not changing even with a totally different team. I now want him fired.

Can't get anymore simpler than that.

Every time I read one of your posts I am kinda sad. For you.

oohah

Childs2Dudley wrote:
I wonder why you never receive any disciplinary action. I guess being an "elder statesman" of something pays off. Good for you.

Keep on baitin'.

Childs2Dudley

It could be that if the moderator reads the thread, they see that I don't walk in insulting insult people, but if someone like yourself wants to take a shot at me, I will take a shot right back. For example, just read a few posts up when you decided to Insult me. Or is your memory so poor you can't remember what you posted 15 minutes ago?

Now I have only one more piece of advice for you: Stop riding my jock and you'll find that I am a very nice guy and interesting to have a basketball discussion with.

oohah

Childs2Dudley wrote:
If so, I apologize.

I accept your apology. Just stick to basketball and we'll have a much more enjoyable time when you see me on the board.

oohah