knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

Changes have been made, now don't ever correct me again you ingrate. From now on just enjoy my postings and keep your mouth closed.

Felton is definitely getting to me.

It's weird with Felton because he has skills but he just can't seem to make good decisions when he needs to make them quick, meaning in transition. He always seems to run into traffic, he frequently takes silly shots (I partially do blame this on the coaching staff because I was at the game and went an hour early and saw him working on moves to get him long distance Js with Dan D'Antoni) and isn't as athletic on defense as people make him out to be. For example. If he's pressing someone running at full speed and that ball handler just stops, it takes Felton a long time to step too, which gets the whole team in a lot of trouble. Meanwhile, Toney just stays with them no matter what. Yet if Toney gets beat, it's because he gambled and wasn't because of effort or lack of any athleticism.

It's been real tough with Felton, yet people wont alawys be so quick to jump on him because he DOES come up with numbers. Same with Amar'e, whos rebounding absolutely stinks.

It's not just that his rebounding stinks, he's basically a lazy defender. He doesn't always box out his guy, he doesn't jump to grab the boards, if he sniffs a chance of getting beat he just let's his man have at it. He can talk all the smack he wants about his teams' effort, but if Stat won't hustle for rebounds, then he should STFU. Love pulled down 31 the other night with Amare guarding him much of the time.

Amare should lead by example, not whiny-ass statements to the media: "Pardon me, I'm just not used to this LOSING thing y'all do over here.

Yeah, I know Amare is never going to be a great rebounder and I'm fine with that. But his rebounding should defintely go up over his career numbers. If you are a leader then you should recognize that this is a void of ours and hit the boards harder. Even if this affects your out of control offense, your numbers should go up

Word. Rebounding is 90% positioning and effort, 10% jumping ability and strength. A leader would know that and do something about it. Nobody is asking him to grab 30rpg, but we ARE watching him play and his rebounding effort is pathetic. It's basic hoops to put your body between the other team's player and the ball so he has to foul you to get to it. THen jump for the ball or at least make it easier for one of your team mates to grab it.

Amare is a solid rebounder, 9 rebounds is solid enough for a player who scoring over 22 pts pg and blocking 2 shots, get to the Ft line a bunch of times (cant' ask for everything). He's only 6 9"/6 10" It would be nice to up that up a notch, but i think we should just aquire a guy who rebounds.

This team knows it has to rebound by committe.

I'm happy with him at the 9 rebound mark(his career average), but........When you call your teamates out for not hitting the boards, then your numbers should go up. Otherwise it's hollow. So far this year he is a rebound below his average and has had games of 4, 4 and 5 rebounds. If you are a leadaer you cannot criticize if you cannot up your own game.

I remember JVG talkinga bout Charlie Ward. He said "Charlie isn't the best but I know that if I complain to the team about boxing out and rebounding, he will box out the biggest guy and dive through a plate glass window to get rebounds." This is the type of thing Amare needs to do. Even if it only lasts until the team turns it around, if he is going to criticize he must step it up.

Bippity10 wrote:I'm happy with him at the 9 rebound mark(his career average), but........When you call your teamates out for not hitting the boards, then your numbers should go up. Otherwise it's hollow. So far this year he is a rebound below his average and has had games of 4, 4 and 5 rebounds. If you are a leadaer you cannot criticize if you cannot up your own game.

I remember JVG talkinga bout Charlie Ward. He said "Charlie isn't the best but I know that if I complain to the team about boxing out and rebounding, he will box out the biggest guy and dive through a plate glass window to get rebounds." This is the type of thing Amare needs to do. Even if it only lasts until the team turns it around, if he is going to criticize he must step it up.

agree 100%... accountability has to start with oneself before criticizing or deflecting blame to anything else... empty words are meaningless, just more of the same we saw from guys like Stephon, Al Harrington, etc.... if you're going to comment on the team needing to show more intensity & sense of urgency during games, then you gotta be the one setting the tone showing the most intensity & sense of urgency out on the floor... if you're going to call for guys to step up their defensive effort & to play smarter basketball, then you gotta be the one to lead by example... i'm so sick of hearing guys talking through the press about how this team needs to do this & do that & then seeing nothing change.

Bippity10 wrote:Gallo-when he drives to the hoop good things just happen. He's averaging 7 FT's per game over his last 5, and 9 ft's over his last 3. He is an awkward player and guys just can't guard him without fouling. Guys are rushing out at him to prevent the jumper and he is able to go by them without having to be the quickest guy. What is preventing him from being a devstating scorer are a few things: Consistency with this line of thinking, a left hand, a pull-up mid range jumper. Seeing some progress but he has a long way to go and it's very slow

AmareNot a playmaker. When he's standing still he's actually an okay passer. When he drives he simply is not going to pass. He will shoot behind the backboard, through 3 guys, whatever it takes to get a shot up. He's at a point in his career where this is never going to change. We really need a PG that can help him get easier shots

TimofeyThe base of skills there, unfortunately it will be a long time before we see tangible results. He actually has some nice post moves but seems to give too much credit for the defender. He'll drop step and be open, pump fake and be open, spin and be open and then take a contested fade away hook shot. Can't seem to stop himself from reaching in before he blocks a shot, but I think experience will beat this out of him. I still think he's going to be a solid NBA player

Felton1.) Felton is horrible at running the Pnr. If I were Amare or Timofey I would have blown a gasket by now. These guys are open, and he simply can't get them the ball. It's maddening. Timo should have an alley-oop a game. T

2.) I've never seen a PG lose his concentration as many times as he does. He'll be playing great and then just have 3 or 4 possessions in a row where he will dribble off his foot, have a couple entry passes tipped, take a contested outside shot with 20 seconds on the clock.

3.) For a PG he has very poor shot selection. He doesn't seem to understand momentum. Sometimes that contested three with 24 seconds left is a good shot. Sometimes you take it and you make it and you can really grab a hold of a game. Usually in those situations though, the air isn't let out of the building if you miss. Felton instead takes the three when the other team is making a run or when we have fallen apart. Unfortunately in those situations if you make it, it usually doesn't have much effect on momentum and if you miss it, it's a killer. Chandler does this a lot as well.

4.) Great at running the break. Too bad we don't have dominant rebounders that can get us out on the break

5.) pick and roll again. Most PG's come out of the womb being able to run the pick and roll. Some obviously are better then others, but I've never seen one as incompetent as he is. These guys are so open it's maddening. He also settles for the jumper too much instead of penetrating off the pick and roll, causing others to collapse and then kicking it out to an open shooter

LandryLove this guy. Just makes the right plays. Eventually I think should start having him run a few more pick and rolls. He's already one of the better rebounding two guards and his defense has been solid. His mistakes appear to be nothing more then rookie mistakes. I think he's eventually going to be a better player then Chandler. Maybe not teh scorer Chandler is, but a player that has more effect on the floor.

WilsonOne of the few guys I think that is doing his job so far. Playing great D, rebounding very well(when he's not a PF) and giving us instand O when we need it. My issues with him however are big ones. His shot selection is horrendous. He is a momentum killer with some of the shots he takes. Also he appears to be a affected by the virus that I've talked about so many times. He's used to losing. I don't think he likes it, but I think when things go bad he is one of the guys that just accepts it. Also, how can a guy this big not draw fouls

TD-Worst shot selection on the team. CAn't run the offense. If his shot is not dropping he kills us on offense with his shot selection. Go to the hoop man, stop settling for threes.

TuriafLove does not get 30 rebounds if he plays

Bill Walker-Must have done something wrong. No other way Mason should be getting minutes. He may be affected as well.

Mason-Might need to go to Europe to get his shot back

Randolph-I don't care how much potential he is, right now he is a bad player and is a poster boy for staying in school. As I've said before, I can live with the mistakes. I can live with the occassional poor shot. I can live with the ill advised dribble move in the paint. I can live with the missed open man. I cannot live with a guy with this much ability disappearing on the floor for minutes at a time. It's inexcusable.

Don't know if I'm missing anyone. But if I am.... F them.

Dantoni-when you see the same things crop up year after year then it is the coach. I don't blame D'Antoni for the quick contested threes becasue Phoenix didn't take those shots. I don't blame him for teh inability to run the pick and roll. I do blame D'Antoni for the teams energy collapses, lack of confidence in the fourth and the inability to get into some type of offensive flow when things go bad. To a point this is the PG's fault, but when your PG is not running the offense at crucial moments it is on you to take the responsibility from him and run a play every trip down if he has too. This team is full of poor decision makers and in that situation you cannot just let them go. As for the overall energy of the team. I think he's trying. I think we've seen some appropriate benchings but the team is still not responding. We saw this last year as well and only Nate responded. I would in no way consider firing D'Antoni at this point. You have to give him time, but over the course of the next few weeks, he is on the hot seat deservedly.

Before the season, we all kept looking at these YOUTUBE highlights, and saw the potential, and started cheesing at the screen. But most people said that they would give this roster 20 to 25 games to get a good feel, some said after the all star break.

MDa was not gaga over this roster, and said youth would pose as a severe problem, he said someone other then Amare is going to need to have a breakout year for us to have a lagitimate shot. The only thing he seemed thrilled about, was the fact that we have a very athletic squad.

In all honesty, he's really the only one that was realistic about what it would take. I read where someone said the locker may need a new voice, in the next sentence they said, we have 10 new players, and were 2 1/2 weeks into a 26 week season.

If this team isn't in or around 500, by dec 15th, there needs to be a shake up in the roster, for sure..I think the youth will be the death of us and another star player (mello, stephen jackson type) veteren . I belive felton will eventually learn the PnR adequately enough (hopefully) 20 or so games down the line.

It was much easier for Duhon, cause Duke runs the exact same play book MDA runs, same exact style, which is why the paired Mike kryzeski, MDA, and POP for the olympic team, there style are very simular

felton is playing a lot like he did in college, that goes for fields and TD..

BasketballJones wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Dantoni-when you see the same things crop up year after year then it is the coach. I don't blame D'Antoni for the quick contested threes becasue Phoenix didn't take those shots. I don't blame him for teh inability to run the pick and roll. I do blame D'Antoni for the teams energy collapses, lack of confidence in the fourth and the inability to get into some type of offensive flow when things go bad. To a point this is the PG's fault, but when your PG is not running the offense at crucial moments it is on you to take the responsibility from him and run a play every trip down if he has too. This team is full of poor decision makers and in that situation you cannot just let them go. As for the overall energy of the team. I think he's trying. I think we've seen some appropriate benchings but the team is still not responding. We saw this last year as well and only Nate responded. I would in no way consider firing D'Antoni at this point. You have to give him time, but over the course of the next few weeks, he is on the hot seat deservedly.

Dantoni needs to coach some effort from these guys.

Maybe he should buy some more energy drinks

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:LandryLove this guy. Just makes the right plays. Eventually I think should start having him run a few more pick and rolls. He's already one of the better rebounding two guards and his defense has been solid. His mistakes appear to be nothing more then rookie mistakes. I think he's eventually going to be a better player then Chandler. Maybe not teh scorer Chandler is, but a player that has more effect on the floor.

I think you need to rethink this line.

he is the second best rebounding SG in the league. Look it up: Per48 or just flat out per game. Amongst the likes of Wade, Kobe, etc.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/position/shooting-guards
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/position/shooting-guards

Thanks, for correcting me, but if you ever do that again it will be your ass.

f you

Papabear Says

Now Martin thats not a nice thing to say. You must have a talk with yourself.

Papabear this guy is out of control. He resets my post count, he tells me to f myself. What's next? kicking babies? This guy is sick. Love his website though.

Moonangie wrote:What website?

www.resetBipspostcount.com

Bippity10 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:What website?

www.resetBipspostcount.com

Does your post count go to zero everytime somebody visits that site? In that case, I wouldn't advertise it here...

rvwink wrote:"AmareNot a playmaker. When he's standing still he's actually an okay passer. When he drives he simply is not going to pass. He will shoot behind the backboard, through 3 guys, whatever it takes to get a shot up. He's at a point in his career where this is never going to change. We really need a PG that can help him get easier shots"

Amare is a winner, who will refuse to accept the slump that he is currently in. I am convinced he is working hard to make the necessary changes to allow a return to his leadership position. Contrary to what you wrote, Amare will simply not accept the player he has been lately. It won't be hard to figure out which one of us is right in January.

"Felton1.) Felton is horrible at running the Pnr. If I were Amare or Timofey I would have blown a gasket by now. These guys are open, and he simply can't get them the ball. It's maddening. Timo should have an alley-oop a game."

Perhaps Felton is currently horrible would have been more on target. Because Felton too is a very determined player who won't allow himself to screw up the biggest opportunity of his basketball career. I expect to see him and Amare improve their Pick and Roll skills.

Also look for Felton to teach himself a more accepting attitude toward his initial mistakes, so that the anger that currently results in follow on mistakes is alleviated.

5.) pick and roll again. Most PG's come out of the womb being able to run the pick and roll. Some obviously are better then others, but I've never seen one as incompetent as he is. These guys are so open it's maddening. He also settles for the jumper too much instead of penetrating off the pick and roll, causing others to collapse and then kicking it out to an open shooter

When you saw David Lee begin playing with the Knicks, did you think he would be able to make the kind of improvements to his game that he accomplished?

"I do blame D'Antoni for the teams energy collapses, lack of confidence in the fourth"

The lack of confidence in the fourth centers on Amare's inability to put the team on his back in crunch time now. Also Toney Douglas was capable of filling that role too, and he also is not producing in the clutch presently. I don't think blaming it on D'Antoni is entirely accurate.

Liked your post and agreed with the rest.

Dear RVWink:

1.) Where in my post did it say "Amare is not a winner" "Amare is not working hard" "Amare will accept the player he has been lately". What I said was, when he drives to the hoop he's not driving to create shots for other players. He is driving to get his shot. There is no negativity in that. Taht's his game. That was patrick Ewing's game as well and that worked out pretty well for us. Knowing what we know, It's on our PG to get him easier shots. It's also on our team to start making some shots to clear it out for Amare so other teams cannot pack the paint on him. It's on Amare to start paying closer attention to the double teams so that he isn't driving in to a mess of defenders. Not once did I say he cannot do this.

2.) Okay add currently in there. Any player can improve on their current flaws. But I can't go on what might happen. I go by what I'm seeing. And right now, he stinks at the pick and roll.

3.) I don't blame anything on one person ever. I personally never needed a coach to inspire me, or make me play harder. But at the same time, it is his team, We have been a horrible 4th quarter team for 3 years, while also completely changing over the roster. As the main constant he has to shoulder a lot of that blame for these recurring problems.

From now on when you read my stuff, take note: I ALWAYS BELIEVE PLAYERS CAN GET BETTER. Nothing is set in stone. The guys on our team generally have good attitudes and work hard. I actually thought they'd struggle a lot at the beginning of this year so this is no suprise to me. But my 10 game assessment is based on what I've seen through 10 games. My 20 game assessment will be based on 20 games. And so on, and so on. My advice is sit back and enjoy my brilliance. Just wait until I dedicate individual posts to individual players. Those assessments will be thrilling. Enjoy the ride!!