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holfresh
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11/15/2010  2:46 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
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holfresh wrote:Why stop there...Mozgov and Fields aren't starters either and I love Fields...

Very impressed by fields--steal of the draft and has earned the right to start. Hes the best % player we have believe it or not. He is shooting close to 60% rebounding playing D histling--thats the kind of guy you win with.

Mosgov needs work--we have too many guys who have games that are not mature to their potential.

He has earned his right to start where?...The guy is awesome but he isn't a starter on a good team...No team is going to win with 2 rooks in their starting lineup and one isn't named Patrick Ewing...

That said, its very easy to freelance when plays aren't run to you...Its a different story when they call your number....

For the Knicks, because that's the only team that matters in this discussion

Ok then in my opinion, Chandler should be starting as well ahead of Gallo or Fields...Amare cannot do it by himself, he needs help...Chandler plays both ends of the court in a manner that Field and Gallo has not this season or any season..

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11/15/2010  2:49 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
holfresh wrote:Why stop there...Mozgov and Fields aren't starters either and I love Fields...

Very impressed by fields--steal of the draft and has earned the right to start. Hes the best % player we have believe it or not. He is shooting close to 60% rebounding playing D histling--thats the kind of guy you win with.

Mosgov needs work--we have too many guys who have games that are not mature to their potential.

He has earned his right to start where?...The guy is awesome but he isn't a starter on a good team...No team is going to win with 2 rooks in their starting lineup and one isn't named Patrick Ewing...

That said, its very easy to freelance when plays aren't run to you...Its a different story when they call your number....

For the Knicks, because that's the only team that matters in this discussion

Ok then in my opinion, Chandler should be starting as well ahead of Gallo or Fields...Amare cannot do it by himself, he needs help...Chandler plays both ends of the court in a manner that Field and Gallo has not this season or any season..

Unfortunately we need Chandler's scoring off the bench. If you notice, when Chandler was placed in the starting line-up then our bench scoring disappeared. Maybe Gallo can take that role, but with Wilson playing the same amount of minutes as he did last year(when he was a starter) I'm not sure having him start or come off the bench really makes all taht much of a difference. I personally think he's more of an instant offense guy off the bench then Fields and Gallinari and that is why he is the bench guy.

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11/15/2010  2:54 PM
matt wrote:Gallo wasn't too bad last game, as he looked to drive inside a few times and not just settle for the quick jumper. But there were countless times when TD/Chandler would shoot a 3 or long 2 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.

I imagine that's the strategy the coach is implementing because I don't understand why they don't get benched..

honestly, i wonder what game people are watching with some of the comments regarding gallo.... I thought he played well considering the amount of touches he gets...

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11/15/2010  3:09 PM
Ironically fields and amare have the best chemistry on the team..hands do
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11/15/2010  3:10 PM
tkf wrote:
matt wrote:Gallo wasn't too bad last game, as he looked to drive inside a few times and not just settle for the quick jumper. But there were countless times when TD/Chandler would shoot a 3 or long 2 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.

I imagine that's the strategy the coach is implementing because I don't understand why they don't get benched..

honestly, i wonder what game people are watching with some of the comments regarding gallo.... I thought he played well considering the amount of touches he gets...

agreed. people were saying Gallo was too content to just sit back and launch 3s all game. I saw a distinct effort on Gallo's part to get to the basket against the Rockets.

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11/15/2010  3:14 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
tkf wrote:
matt wrote:Gallo wasn't too bad last game, as he looked to drive inside a few times and not just settle for the quick jumper. But there were countless times when TD/Chandler would shoot a 3 or long 2 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.

I imagine that's the strategy the coach is implementing because I don't understand why they don't get benched..

honestly, i wonder what game people are watching with some of the comments regarding gallo.... I thought he played well considering the amount of touches he gets...

agreed. people were saying Gallo was too content to just sit back and launch 3s all game. I saw a distinct effort on Gallo's part to get to the basket against the Rockets.

Yup. He was leading the break on a couple of times too.

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11/15/2010  3:24 PM
matt wrote:Gallo wasn't too bad last game, as he looked to drive inside a few times and not just settle for the quick jumper. But there were countless times when TD/Chandler would shoot a 3 or long 2 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.

I imagine that's the strategy the coach is implementing because I don't understand why they don't get benched..

So following your logic, Gallo should have been benched because he was taking too many 3s the first few games right? That the coach may have told him to take it to the hoop and we are seeing him do that actually has no merit? You want TD and Wilson benched? What team and reserves do you want to see out there? Roger Mason Jr with 30 mins?

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11/15/2010  3:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2010  3:33 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
holfresh wrote:Why stop there...Mozgov and Fields aren't starters either and I love Fields...

Very impressed by fields--steal of the draft and has earned the right to start. Hes the best % player we have believe it or not. He is shooting close to 60% rebounding playing D histling--thats the kind of guy you win with.

Mosgov needs work--we have too many guys who have games that are not mature to their potential.

He has earned his right to start where?...The guy is awesome but he isn't a starter on a good team...No team is going to win with 2 rooks in their starting lineup and one isn't named Patrick Ewing...

That said, its very easy to freelance when plays aren't run to you...Its a different story when they call your number....

For the Knicks, because that's the only team that matters in this discussion

Ok then in my opinion, Chandler should be starting as well ahead of Gallo or Fields...Amare cannot do it by himself, he needs help...Chandler plays both ends of the court in a manner that Field and Gallo has not this season or any season..

Unfortunately we need Chandler's scoring off the bench. If you notice, when Chandler was placed in the starting line-up then our bench scoring disappeared. Maybe Gallo can take that role, but with Wilson playing the same amount of minutes as he did last year(when he was a starter) I'm not sure having him start or come off the bench really makes all taht much of a difference. I personally think he's more of an instant offense guy off the bench then Fields and Gallinari and that is why he is the bench guy.

Which is a good point...But Amare plays like there is no one else helping him...He is trying to do too much...Amare is trying to contest every shot and make every move to the basket...He can't do it for 82 games...Wilson plays better D than Fields and Gallo, the Knicks aren't good enough for that...Bench scoring is a problem...I still say you have a tough time starting 2 rooks in this league...

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11/15/2010  4:11 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
holfresh wrote:Why stop there...Mozgov and Fields aren't starters either and I love Fields...

Very impressed by fields--steal of the draft and has earned the right to start. Hes the best % player we have believe it or not. He is shooting close to 60% rebounding playing D histling--thats the kind of guy you win with.

Mosgov needs work--we have too many guys who have games that are not mature to their potential.

He has earned his right to start where?...The guy is awesome but he isn't a starter on a good team...No team is going to win with 2 rooks in their starting lineup and one isn't named Patrick Ewing...

That said, its very easy to freelance when plays aren't run to you...Its a different story when they call your number....

For the Knicks, because that's the only team that matters in this discussion

Ok then in my opinion, Chandler should be starting as well ahead of Gallo or Fields...Amare cannot do it by himself, he needs help...Chandler plays both ends of the court in a manner that Field and Gallo has not this season or any season..

Unfortunately we need Chandler's scoring off the bench. If you notice, when Chandler was placed in the starting line-up then our bench scoring disappeared. Maybe Gallo can take that role, but with Wilson playing the same amount of minutes as he did last year(when he was a starter) I'm not sure having him start or come off the bench really makes all taht much of a difference. I personally think he's more of an instant offense guy off the bench then Fields and Gallinari and that is why he is the bench guy.

Which is a good point...But Amare plays like there is no one else helping him...He is trying to do too much...Amare is trying to contest every shot and make every move to the basket...He can't do it for 82 games...Wilson plays better D than Fields and Gallo, the Knicks aren't good enough for that...Bench scoring is a problem...I still say you have a tough time starting 2 rooks in this league...

I agree with you, but Amare looks like that when Wilson is on the floor as well.

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11/15/2010  4:19 PM
Yeah when the game is on the line or when the Knicks are behind...he doesn't feel he has help...I can't even say Chandler is the help he is looking for but right now the Knicks have no other option...
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11/15/2010  4:29 PM
holfresh wrote:Yeah when the game is on the line or when the Knicks are behind...he doesn't feel he has help...I can't even say Chandler is the help he is looking for but right now the Knicks have no other option...

Yeah, I like Chandler's game this year but to me he's more of a 3rd or 4th option. I think if he's your 4th option on offense you are probably competing for the East. If he's your 3rd you are a playoff team. Unfortunately as a 2nd option Amare is left to fend for himself in crunch time. I think it's more his shot selection and inability to get to the line that hurts him the most. But I do think this year he has been our 2nd option whether it's off the bench or not. I just wish he'd step off that three point line. He's not a 3 point shooter. He should not be taking them at all. When he shoots the mid range and gets to the basket he's a very good scoreer.

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11/15/2010  4:50 PM
Good stuff here and in the comments:

http://knickerblogger.net/early-season-knick-evaluation/

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11/15/2010  5:41 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Yeah when the game is on the line or when the Knicks are behind...he doesn't feel he has help...I can't even say Chandler is the help he is looking for but right now the Knicks have no other option...

Yeah, I like Chandler's game this year but to me he's more of a 3rd or 4th option. I think if he's your 4th option on offense you are probably competing for the East. If he's your 3rd you are a playoff team. Unfortunately as a 2nd option Amare is left to fend for himself in crunch time. I think it's more his shot selection and inability to get to the line that hurts him the most. But I do think this year he has been our 2nd option whether it's off the bench or not. I just wish he'd step off that three point line. He's not a 3 point shooter. He should not be taking them at all. When he shoots the mid range and gets to the basket he's a very good scoreer.

I don't see how Amar'e should be the first option since that is what the opposition is expecting and certainly seems well prepared to stop. Add the propensity to dribble off his foot and drive into a triple team to that as well. Is it all his fault? ..no
but those are the facts ma'am.

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11/15/2010  5:45 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Yeah when the game is on the line or when the Knicks are behind...he doesn't feel he has help...I can't even say Chandler is the help he is looking for but right now the Knicks have no other option...

Yeah, I like Chandler's game this year but to me he's more of a 3rd or 4th option. I think if he's your 4th option on offense you are probably competing for the East. If he's your 3rd you are a playoff team. Unfortunately as a 2nd option Amare is left to fend for himself in crunch time. I think it's more his shot selection and inability to get to the line that hurts him the most. But I do think this year he has been our 2nd option whether it's off the bench or not. I just wish he'd step off that three point line. He's not a 3 point shooter. He should not be taking them at all. When he shoots the mid range and gets to the basket he's a very good scoreer.

I don't see how Amar'e should be the first option since that is what the opposition is expecting and certainly seems well prepared to stop. Add the propensity to dribble off his foot and drive into a triple team to that as well. Is it all his fault? ..no
but those are the facts ma'am.

That's why we need someone to step it up. Until they do, teams will continue to pack the paint and take Amare out of the game.

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11/15/2010  6:43 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Yeah when the game is on the line or when the Knicks are behind...he doesn't feel he has help...I can't even say Chandler is the help he is looking for but right now the Knicks have no other option...

Yeah, I like Chandler's game this year but to me he's more of a 3rd or 4th option. I think if he's your 4th option on offense you are probably competing for the East. If he's your 3rd you are a playoff team. Unfortunately as a 2nd option Amare is left to fend for himself in crunch time. I think it's more his shot selection and inability to get to the line that hurts him the most. But I do think this year he has been our 2nd option whether it's off the bench or not. I just wish he'd step off that three point line. He's not a 3 point shooter. He should not be taking them at all. When he shoots the mid range and gets to the basket he's a very good scoreer.

I don't see how Amar'e should be the first option since that is what the opposition is expecting and certainly seems well prepared to stop. Add the propensity to dribble off his foot and drive into a triple team to that as well. Is it all his fault? ..no
but those are the facts ma'am.

That's why we need someone to step it up. Until they do, teams will continue to pack the paint and take Amare out of the game.

right now, we have no one that even wants to be that 2nd option, and no one to say.. HEY we need you to be that (other then MDA) 2nd option, wake the FK UP and play hard and smart.

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11/15/2010  7:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2010  7:33 PM
Bippity10 wrote:I'm with Briggs on this one. If AR takes a bad shot here or there. Or is out of position here or there. Or dribbles a ball off his foot here or there, then yes you let him play through his mistakes. But if the guy isn't hustling and giving an all out effort then you have to bench him. This lack of effort has been a consistent thing with him during his pro career and we have to try to get it to stop. Giving him minutes regardless of whether he gives supreme effort will not change him.

Lack of effort? That's on the coach, right?

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