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Last offseason was all about upgrading the team to finally take the steps towards the playoffs. While the main objectives were missed, the team still upgraded its talent. But so far this season, the results have been the same as we follow past scripts into another losing season. This with coach Mike D'Antoni playing his 3-point system when it clearly doesn't suit his team. As the losses and bad showings keep mounting, management will have to make a decision.

This was supposed to be D'Antoni's make or break season and so far he has shown he will stick to his system even though it doesn't favors his roster. Should the Knicks fire D'Antoni?

Yes, his system clearly doesn't suit us. Can't win only shooting 3's.
No, we have to get him better players to run his system.
Its too early to tell but I'd fire him if we are 7-10 games under .500 after 25 games.
I'd let him finish the season and then make a change if we don't make the playoffs.
He is untouchable. He will guide us to the promised land.
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nixluva
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11/11/2010  3:56 AM
OasisBU wrote:Total overreaction - what FA will want to come here if there is coaching turmoil? Its way too early to fire the coach. It's not like this is a championship caliber team. Should they be playing better? Yes, but cut the guy some slack.

Exactly. I see a TON of correctable problems. Once we can solve those issues this is gonna be a heck of a team. I see effort, but I see Mistakes and a lack of chemistry that you'd expect with a totally new roster. We're trying to fit in so many new pieces and on top of that this isn't like adding Lebron and Bosh. This is mostly still a team full of guys that have no track record. I like the talent, but it's not like we added another All Star to the roster.

Can we develop these guys and see what we have or do we just get back on the merry-go-round again and start over from scratch? At some point we have to look to develop what we have and go from there. Just fixing one thing would make a HUGE difference. IF we somehow can get Felton/Amar'e working that right there could mean a whole lot of wins. If we can get our perimeter guys to recognize a good shot and that we were killing GS when we attacked the basket, so why take more and more 3's? It's things we can fix.

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11/11/2010  7:18 AM
well, this is supposed to be "danotonis team" with his type of players but he isnt impressing. they look like the same old knicks. however, we have to give him this year. i am frustrated with them losing against teams that i think they could beat but we have to see. remember that the bulls struggled for the last two years and heated up around the all star break to make a run. we are never out of it in the east. we are in a soft part of the schedule until it heats up around thanksgiving for about a month! if we dont make the playoffs and amare has been healthy all year, then firing should be an option.
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11/11/2010  8:06 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Problem with firing D'Antoni is their isnt anyone better than him available. Plus we are paying Amare SERIOUS cash so no rookie coaches.

I think you might target Frank after this season. The Celts defense is still fantastic and he had a good run in NJ. I don't think there are any big name coaches out there. I don't think any of the assistants should be considered but Weber did work with Skiles in Phoenix. I also think it would help D'Antoni if he had another voice in the tape room other than his own. I don't see his brother ( previous highest level coaching high school) or Weber ( an assistant with Suns starting in '99) or Herb really pusing another philosophy, adjustment or any change on D'Antoni. I think he truly is the only voice in regards to how the team plays.

To some degree, this roster has been built to play D'Antoni's style of basketball. Did Frank coach the same offense as Scott did in NJ, the Princeton style, which at least would maximize the talents we've got?

Also- would love to give Patrick Ewing a chance. He deserves a chance at winning a championship for NY, and I think he would be a good coach. And we know that the last thing Ewing would want is a team that lives and dies by the outside shot!

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11/11/2010  8:12 AM
our roster has been in constant turnover his whole tenure here and i do not hold those 2 years against him. we are a rebuilding team but i need to see some signs that this thing is headed in the right direction. i don't do a thing before the season's over but this this is a big year for d'antoni and his knick coaching career.
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11/11/2010  8:28 AM
The bottomline is this team needs to stop relying on the 3 so much and needs to continue working on its defense and the turnovers. Cut down the turnovers, give more attention to detail on defense, and reduce the 3 point reliance by about 10% and this team should be a .600 team.
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11/11/2010  8:40 AM
TheGame wrote:The bottomline is this team needs to stop relying on the 3 so much and needs to continue working on its defense and the turnovers. Cut down the turnovers, give more attention to detail on defense, and reduce the 3 point reliance by about 10% and this team should be a .600 team.

Saying the team needs to stop shooting 3's so much, is like a Drug dealer telling a crack head he should stop smoking crack.

when the 3's are falling, we look like world beater's, when there not, we should fire the coach

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11/11/2010  9:15 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:The bottomline is this team needs to stop relying on the 3 so much and needs to continue working on its defense and the turnovers. Cut down the turnovers, give more attention to detail on defense, and reduce the 3 point reliance by about 10% and this team should be a .600 team.

Saying the team needs to stop shooting 3's so much, is like a Drug dealer telling a crack head he should stop smoking crack.

when the 3's are falling, we look like world beater's, when there not, we should fire the coach

Aren't we the ones who always point out after a game where the three are raining in that it is luck and it won't hold up. Guys the threes are killing this team its made them soft. By taking threes the Knicks are losing so many elements of the game. Drawing fouls, getting to the line. Creating easy baskets for others. Shooting a higher percentage shots.

The Knicks shouldn't completely stop taking threes but they shouldn't shoot so many I'm a believer that less then 10 is ideal if you want consistent winning basketball.

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11/11/2010  9:21 AM
No team in the NBA shoots less than 13 a game this year so far.
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11/11/2010  9:27 AM
only 9 teams are shooting less than 16 a game. Knicks are shooting 25. If that # was below 20 every game I would be fine
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11/11/2010  9:32 AM
I'd be happy if they cut it down from 25 to 20 as well. Its really not the amount though that I'm concerned about, its the quality of the shot. There are 3-5 a game that are contested, early shot clock, no passing shots that hurt. Chandler seems to be the biggest culprit, but certainly not the only one. I wish he would concentrate more on his strengths, which is not the 3pt shot.
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11/11/2010  9:55 AM
Andrew wrote:I'd be happy if they cut it down from 25 to 20 as well. Its really not the amount though that I'm concerned about, its the quality of the shot. There are 3-5 a game that are contested, early shot clock, no passing shots that hurt. Chandler seems to be the biggest culprit, but certainly not the only one. I wish he would concentrate more on his strengths, which is not the 3pt shot.

he's probably the only guy who upsets me. Last year he started chucking tons of 3s. 2nd half of the year they made him the starting SG, he shot half the # of 3s and shot 50% for the 2nd half of the year. This year looks like he's right back to chucking bombs. Dude should slash
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11/11/2010  10:01 AM
I hate watching a team that lives and dies by the 3, so even if we sneak into the playoffs, I still want D'Antoni gone. D'Antoni can't adapt to his players. He tries to stubbornly fit his players into his system, and what we get is an ugly product where no one can break down the D off the dribble and instead hoist up 3-pters.
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11/11/2010  10:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2010  10:58 AM
Papabear Says

When the Knicks win we put them on a dedistil saying they are beasts and they go out and party and come back the next day an loose. I would likd to know what they do in their spare time. They had 2 very good defensive game and then they fell apart. I think Amire is adjusting well in New York. I do not think Gallo and Randolph can handle the every day life in New York. Probably some of the others can't. When you have breakdowns like we have had in the last 3 games there can be a deeper problem. I suspect things may have gone to some of these guys head. Gallo is one who is real kocky and let this whole New York experience go through his head and even his hair.

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11/11/2010  10:57 AM
Even though he had 2 years of moving players around--the same problems occurred then as they do today--too many 3's to much undisciplined play very little defense most of the times. To his defense I did not expect that 2 second round picks would be starting given that we had 2+ years to put this together on top of which they were very willing to dump Chandler for less. Everyone has culpability here coaches GM owner.

We had an excellent chance to get a PG in the draft two years ago which would have left significant $$ left over for both this year and next year to help the frontline. Weve made mistakes all over the board. We should've been 5-1 and that is on the coach--cant blow 9-10 point late 2nd half leads at home. Once we lose those games--we become vulnerable for that Bucks game which could lead to downside momentum. The GM kept us perilously thin at C with Mosgov(an unknown) and turriaf(a back up with little offense)for a style of play that demands scoring from every position.

The whole gig is not on the same page and AGAIn we fcked with draft picks in a big time way that limits our ability to improve the team in case of failure. I firmly believe that was Isiah Thomas behind the scenes with dolan telling him to do it for the cap space becasue he would get LBJ--Im not going to get on walsh there--too similar to the curry deal not to point fingers. Like I said everyone is culpable.

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11/11/2010  11:09 AM
Miami is 5-3.

I guess Riles is in the bull pen warming up?

We are not a winning team losing games, this is a losing team learning how to win.

We missed Turiaf bad last nite.

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11/11/2010  11:14 AM
Nalod wrote:Miami is 5-3.

I guess Riles is in the bull pen warming up?

We are not a winning team losing games, this is a losing team learning how to win.

We missed Turiaf bad last nite.

If you said we were missing Pau Gasol last night--then you'd have weight . Just the fact that you said missing turriaf was a killer(or to that effect) is bad! Not becasue Turriaf scks--but becasue he's not good enough to change the fortunes of a franchise!

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11/11/2010  11:20 AM
I would let him finish the season.
The team building is not completed yet.
His system is good for player evaluation and rasing stats/face-value for the players.
When team will be completed hopefully next summer we can look for coaches who can be concentrated on contending for the ring.
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11/11/2010  11:56 AM
frustrating as hell to see this team still playing the same ol' chuck up 3's style offense but i think he deserves at least until the Allstar break to see if he can get this team to winning on a more consistent basis... at some point u have to hold him accountable but i don't think 8 games into the season with a new roster is fair, even though the team's been crap under him the past 2 years.
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11/11/2010  12:30 PM
These last few losses (and last few years) have left me feeling like no matter what we do, what players we get, what coaches we hire, we never seem to get any better- it's the same s*** every year- patchy defense, cr*p shooting, don't show up for at least one quarter, horrific execution in close games in the 4th quarter, etc etc.

I know it's too early by far to throw in the towel, it's just I'm tired of the same c**p evry year- I just want them to turn things around this time and play tough and smart for a change, for the whole game.

And another thing- even back in the days when we were good, I remember every player we seemed to trade for or sign would then post the worst stats of their career upon joining us- it almost seems a given. How many players have actually excelled the first season they joined us? (thats a genuine question). Even guys like LJ, Houston,Sprewell,Camby, struggled or posted lower stats than before. Then there were the Glen Rices, the Antonio McDyess's, the Jalen Roses, The Steve Francis's- players who seemed to have their game die upon playing for us (though age and injury played a part. Sometimes I do think we're cursed!

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11/11/2010  1:01 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Nalod wrote:Miami is 5-3.

I guess Riles is in the bull pen warming up?

We are not a winning team losing games, this is a losing team learning how to win.

We missed Turiaf bad last nite.

If you said we were missing Pau Gasol last night--then you'd have weight . Just the fact that you said missing turriaf was a killer(or to that effect) is bad! Not becasue Turriaf scks--but becasue he's not good enough to change the fortunes of a franchise!

If you put it that way, words in my mouth to the effedt it would agree with you.

IM thinking a few interior possetions his interior defense could have changed the game. Maybe instead of going down 19 we only go down 15?

Maybe Dlee gets beaten up a little more?

Maybe a few small plays change the course. Maybe for the worse for all I know, but my point was Gallo got into foul trouble and became an open door.

Down the stretch, it was a close game.

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