AnubisADL wrote:

grillco wrote:Okay, I thought this was inferred, but let me be specific. Regardless of getting the "package" deal, do you think that Riley is unhappy with the MASSIVE dropoff in numbers, ALL of his numbers, by Bosh?

Yes the three guys who agreed to do this in 2006 actually kept their word and Miami was lucky enough to be the final locale, but Bosh's and James' stats are not up to snuff. Wade is proving that he is indeed the man in Miami, but his career to date had already proven that he was the best finisher of the three. Lee's numbers with two less points, but 7 more boards would be of more help to the Heat (who aren't exactly struggling) than what Bosh is doing now. That's all I was saying. We all know that the deal for all three would make any GM happy, but the player most obviously meeting his expectations is Bosh. He's the weak man.

You seriously believe David Lee would be better in Miami? Come on now man. Lebron and Wade are dominating the rock right now. Bosh is getting less touches and isnt necessarily getting the ball where he wants it either.

David Lee plays zero defense. Rebounds are great but when it's playoff time I think they rather be able to throw the ball to Bosh in the post and let him work.

SO GLAD we didnt get Bosh. I have always loved Amare's game and happy with the trades that got him here

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

grillco wrote:Okay, I thought this was inferred, but let me be specific. Regardless of getting the "package" deal, do you think that Riley is unhappy with the MASSIVE dropoff in numbers, ALL of his numbers, by Bosh?

Yes the three guys who agreed to do this in 2006 actually kept their word and Miami was lucky enough to be the final locale, but Bosh's and James' stats are not up to snuff. Wade is proving that he is indeed the man in Miami, but his career to date had already proven that he was the best finisher of the three. Lee's numbers with two less points, but 7 more boards would be of more help to the Heat (who aren't exactly struggling) than what Bosh is doing now. That's all I was saying. We all know that the deal for all three would make any GM happy, but the player most obviously meeting his expectations is Bosh. He's the weak man.

You seriously believe David Lee would be better in Miami? Come on now man. Lebron and Wade are dominating the rock right now. Bosh is getting less touches and isnt necessarily getting the ball where he wants it either.

David Lee plays zero defense. Rebounds are great but when it's playoff time I think they rather be able to throw the ball to Bosh in the post and let him work.

which has never happened. Bosh isnt a post player. Lee probably would be a better fit because he's one of the best passers around at the position. Thats why GS got him, a big who could drill the guards with those good passes.

SO GLAD we didnt get Bosh. I have always loved Amare's game and happy with the trades that got him here

Fish, exactly on point. You get where I'm coming from. In reality none of the PFs available this summer are Karl Malone-like guys, but it seems to me that Amare is playing the best (barring the turnovers) of the lot. Bosh needs to be boarding endlessly He's playing 10% less minutes and struggling to get HLF as many boards. All things being equal, I would rather have a 12 and 12 PF than a 14 and 5 PF anyday of the week, twice on Sundays. Lee scored in NY off of opportunities and mistakes, not with the offense being run through him. Bosh's stats in Toronto are all based on him being the center of the offense. I get that that those numbers would take a hit with him playing with either Wade of James, let alone both of them, but that's where he has to adjust and at least maintain his stats on the boards, if not improve them.

grillco wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

grillco wrote:Okay, I thought this was inferred, but let me be specific. Regardless of getting the "package" deal, do you think that Riley is unhappy with the MASSIVE dropoff in numbers, ALL of his numbers, by Bosh?

Yes the three guys who agreed to do this in 2006 actually kept their word and Miami was lucky enough to be the final locale, but Bosh's and James' stats are not up to snuff. Wade is proving that he is indeed the man in Miami, but his career to date had already proven that he was the best finisher of the three. Lee's numbers with two less points, but 7 more boards would be of more help to the Heat (who aren't exactly struggling) than what Bosh is doing now. That's all I was saying. We all know that the deal for all three would make any GM happy, but the player most obviously meeting his expectations is Bosh. He's the weak man.

You seriously believe David Lee would be better in Miami? Come on now man. Lebron and Wade are dominating the rock right now. Bosh is getting less touches and isnt necessarily getting the ball where he wants it either.

David Lee plays zero defense. Rebounds are great but when it's playoff time I think they rather be able to throw the ball to Bosh in the post and let him work.

which has never happened. Bosh isnt a post player. Lee probably would be a better fit because he's one of the best passers around at the position. Thats why GS got him, a big who could drill the guards with those good passes.

SO GLAD we didnt get Bosh. I have always loved Amare's game and happy with the trades that got him here

Fish, exactly on point. You get where I'm coming from. In reality none of the PFs available this summer are Karl Malone-like guys, but it seems to me that Amare is playing the best (barring the turnovers) of the lot. Bosh needs to be boarding endlessly He's playing 10% less minutes and struggling to get HLF as many boards. All things being equal, I would rather have a 12 and 12 PF than a 14 and 5 PF anyday of the week, twice on Sundays. Lee scored in NY off of opportunities and mistakes, not with the offense being run through him. Bosh's stats in Toronto are all based on him being the center of the offense. I get that that those numbers would take a hit with him playing with either Wade of James, let alone both of them, but that's where he has to adjust and at least maintain his stats on the boards, if not improve them.

Amare is playing the best because he is the #1 scoring option on this team.

jimimou wrote:im no heat fan but c'mon fellas - you think having 3 guys that dominated on their respective teams together all on your squad, who all took unselfish pay cuts to play together arent going to figure out how to dominate? after 7 games, all of a sudden the masses are crying to disband the 3rd wheel? they are 7 games into the season and still figuring it all out. if they are 500 by the allstar break, thats a different story. but till then.....

Who said that. Again, I just think that it's HIGHLY likely that Riles is disappointed in Bosh's overall production, with a primary focus on the glass. No disassembling. I would rather the big three play out their five years and never win a ring. And it's not that I'm bitter about LeBron. Believe it or not I preferred the idea of Melo in NY before it was really any kind of option. I just don't like the big three's back door dealing, I mean TAMPERING being excused by the league. Sure it doesn't help that Riley ended up at the end of the rainbow and not the Knicks. He's actually a bigger reason for NYK fans to root for any other Eastern conference team to get to the finals OR whomever comes out of the West to beat the South Beach Trio. I want the fixed experiment to fail.

I'm openly and whole-heartedly NOT a fan of the Heat regardless of who is on their team, because I am a Knicks fan. I never liked Jordan or Pippen either. I want the Heat beaten, not retooled. Ideally it would be the Knicks doing it like the good old days, but until the Knicks can really compete against them I'll enjoy it when other teams do the job.

Paladin55 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

grillco wrote:Okay, I thought this was inferred, but let me be specific. Regardless of getting the "package" deal, do you think that Riley is unhappy with the MASSIVE dropoff in numbers, ALL of his numbers, by Bosh?

Yes the three guys who agreed to do this in 2006 actually kept their word and Miami was lucky enough to be the final locale, but Bosh's and James' stats are not up to snuff. Wade is proving that he is indeed the man in Miami, but his career to date had already proven that he was the best finisher of the three. Lee's numbers with two less points, but 7 more boards would be of more help to the Heat (who aren't exactly struggling) than what Bosh is doing now. That's all I was saying. We all know that the deal for all three would make any GM happy, but the player most obviously meeting his expectations is Bosh. He's the weak man.

You seriously believe David Lee would be better in Miami? Come on now man. Lebron and Wade are dominating the rock right now. Bosh is getting less touches and isnt necessarily getting the ball where he wants it either.

David Lee plays zero defense. Rebounds are great but when it's playoff time I think they rather be able to throw the ball to Bosh in the post and let him work.

Bosh plays significant defense? You get a defensive player who can rebound and block shots to play center, fit Lee in at PF, James at SF, and Wade at SG, find a smaller guard who can defend and shoot, and you have a much better team.

Lee fits into an offense better than Bosh, is a much better passer, and his jumper is good enough not to be an issue. Bosh's work in the post is not a great selling point, to be honest.

You serious?

Bosh has proven he can score even through double teams. Chris Bosh is just an overall better player with better size than David Lee.

Miami is configured to against the Magic, Boston, and Lakers. David Lee would get eaten up by those teams.

jimimou wrote:bosh, nor lee, play much defense, if any. but, no-one in riley's circle came to lee to ask him to be the 3rd of the big 3. let's face it, bosh is better than lee because he brings more to the table than lee. at least that's what the enitre world outside of UK thinks.

Yes, Bosh is better than Lee straight up and I don't think there's a person that would argue that. However, his stats in Miami have a taken an overall bigger dive than it seems they should have AND I'll stick by the idea the Lee would work very well and likely better in that system than Bosh (at the moment). Think of some of the great PFs that were better than Horace Grant, but he was the perfect in Chi-town. You can break down that example with tons of players in every position. Lee would be getting to glass more and feeding Wade and LeBron than Bosh does (or is possibly capable of). Sometimes the best isn't the best player, but then again sometimes it is.

martin wrote:I bet Riles would do a Bosh trade for the likes of Lee, Turiaf, Timo any day of the week.

why do you think that?

jimimou wrote:

martin wrote:I bet Riles would do a Bosh trade for the likes of Lee, Turiaf, Timo any day of the week.

why do you think that?

Both Bosh and Lee will get you the same points production that is necessary to win with LeBron and Wade but Lee will get you more rebounds. And having Turiaf and Timo as extra bigs with the savings that is the salary difference between Lee and Bosh would net you extra bigs off the bench.

martin wrote:in fact, I would even go so far as to say that Riles would want Noah and Taj Gibson over Bosh.

Riley would cream his pants if he got Noah. I hope they stay with Bosh until the end.