knicks1248 wrote:Whats up with the russian only playing in the early goings and then sitting the rest of the game. I can honestly say that he's playing better then AR and should be getting the 5 minutes he's giving him. I agree that we need to cut the rotation to 9. But it's really tough call

Use a 9 man rotation but if foul trouble comes into play like it did in Philly game then need to go to the bench. MDA needed to get Rautins and Mason out there for 5 minutes a piece as soon as Douglas and Felton fell into foul trouble. That mistake hurt the Knicks towards the end. MDA got to do a better job of assessing foul trouble. Douglas lost his aggressiveness playing with 5 fouls. Felton to was ineffective due to foul trouble. Would have been nice if MDA managed to get Rautins and Mason in to maybe save Felton and Douglas for end of the game with less fouls.

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Whats up with the russian only playing in the early goings and then sitting the rest of the game. I can honestly say that he's playing better then AR and should be getting the 5 minutes he's giving him. I agree that we need to cut the rotation to 9. But it's really tough call

Use a 9 man rotation but if foul trouble comes into play like it did in Philly game then need to go to the bench. MDA needed to get Rautins and Mason out there for 5 minutes a piece as soon as Douglas and Felton fell into foul trouble. That mistake hurt the Knicks towards the end. MDA got to do a better job of assessing foul trouble. Douglas lost his aggressiveness playing with 5 fouls. Felton to was ineffective due to foul trouble. Would have been nice if MDA managed to get Rautins and Mason in to maybe save Felton and Douglas for end of the game with less fouls.

the trouble with Mason and Rautins is that both of those guys would suck in this circumstance. Mason can't hit a wide open shot and Rautins can't handle the ball under pressure.

And those are the 2 things that Philly was either good against or what the Knicks needed.

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Vmart wrote:I agree with Briggs that the rotation needs to be cut to 9. That is why I kept saying make the move for Melo it is alright to deplete the roster because we have to many on the team who can contribute decent minutes if given an opportunity. I'm at the point where dropping Gallo, AR and Chandler is fine by me. These guys are nice role players that I would exchange in a heart beat for a Go to player like Melo.

If you are Denver you ask for Toney Douglas Cahndler Gallo and fields--do you still want to do it? you are making up the trade--Im playing what i think Denver will ask for. Remember Denver is pretty good--what is the incentive to f u their team??? They can do a S+T with the Knicks for Chandler after the season if they want. I really see 0 incentive to move Carmelo. Look at that deal they turned down favors Harris and two picks?? They want to see if they can Keep Melo--that what I believe.

They have no incentive unless they want the players involved. What's more, WE have no incentive to bid against ourselves. But I disagree with the "win now" mode for which you're now advocating. I think that starts next season once we have Melo inked to a 5 year deal. For now, it's "gellin" time for the majority of our players, and development time for the raw talent in our rotation (i.e., Moz, Fields and AR). There is no rush. Sometimes a young team needs a bunch of experience playing together to make it clear who stays and who gets traded.

- Mosgov starts to get experience. His role is fine.
- Fields starts because he doesnt need the ball to contribute. His role is to play D while Amare, Felton and Gallo get started in the early offense
- Amare and Felton are the core guys (duh)
- Gallo is a core guy but his primary role is to space the floor w/ his shooting. If he's off MDA will go with other options.
- Douglas is the first guard off the bench, the backup PG and will play some SG next to Felton. His role is set and good
- Chandler is the scorer off the bench. Will play some 2,3 or 4. Looks for offense right away. His role is set and good.
- Turiaf is the defensive, hustle and size off the bench. His role is good and working well

I think if you stick with those 8 guys we are probably a better more cohesive unit. However Walker and AR are good players and deserve some pt also. Its really those last 2 who are up in the air.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:I think the roles are pretty good.

- Mosgov starts to get experience. His role is fine.
- Fields starts because he doesnt need the ball to contribute. His role is to play D while Amare, Felton and Gallo get started in the early offense
- Amare and Felton are the core guys (duh)
- Gallo is a core guy but his primary role is to space the floor w/ his shooting. If he's off MDA will go with other options.
- Douglas is the first guard off the bench, the backup PG and will play some SG next to Felton. His role is set and good
- Chandler is the scorer off the bench. Will play some 2,3 or 4. Looks for offense right away. His role is set and good.
- Turiaf is the defensive, hustle and size off the bench. His role is good and working well

I think if you stick with those 8 guys we are probably a better more cohesive unit. However Walker and AR are good players and deserve some pt also. Its really those last 2 who are up in the air.

Yeah your right with the roles, but you also point out that AR and Billy are sort of on the bubble. AR has done nothing to warrant much playing time (if any at all) but it's tought to keep talent like that on the bench. He really looks lost at times and over does everything in every aspect. I would only bring him in if there's match up problems, foul trouble, or a blow out.

Same for walker, if there playing heavy zone aginst us, then i'll bring Bill maybe even Mason of the bench. these would be the only times I would resort to a 9/10 man rotation

TD, Chandler and Turiaf are very good substitute players, I am excited about this bench.

That's what the Queen of Hearts said repeatedly in Alice in Wonderland. When you make final decisions about Knick players, based on very little data, it seems similar to me to what the Queen of Hearts would do.

Anothony Randolph's speed and length, makes him have enough upside, so that we need to make sure we don't make an incorrect decision. So far Anthony has averaged 8.3 minutes in 3 games. Is that enough data to make this important decision? I respectfully suggest that no matter how brilliant you are, 24.9 minutes is not a fair test for AR. Also we need to see if he is capable of succeeding in Mike's system. Letting him play elsewhere doesn't seem the right answer to me.

D'Antoni loves short rotations. Imo, he has specifically lengthened his rotation to include AR, because he understands how important a piece for the Knicks Anthony Randolph could be. AR is on D'Antoni's clock. Lets make sure we give him enough time to find out for sure, if he has what it takes to help the Knicks substantially.

rvwink wrote:"OFF WITH HIS HEAD"

That's what the Queen of Hearts said repeatedly in Alice in Wonderland. When you make final decisions about Knick players, based on very little data, it seems similar to me to what the Queen of Hearts would do.

Anothony Randolph's speed and length, makes him have enough upside, so that we need to make sure we don't make an incorrect decision. So far Anthony has averaged 8.3 minutes in 3 games. Is that enough data to make this important decision? I respectfully suggest that no matter how brilliant you are, 24.9 minutes is not a fair test for AR. Also we need to see if he is capable of succeeding in Mike's system. Letting him play elsewhere doesn't seem the right answer to me.

D'Antoni loves short rotations. Imo, he has specifically lengthened his rotation to include AR, because he understands how important a piece for the Knicks Anthony Randolph could be. AR is on D'Antoni's clock. Lets make sure we give him enough time to find out for sure, if he has what it takes to help the Knicks substantially.

I think that AR would be best served by playing 6-8 games of 40+ minutes in the D league to get his full groove back. Very hard to do with spot minutes and being under a tight hook and radar. How do you play your best looking over your shoulder? I think he needs all out PT and he cant get it here right now--I dont think the 10 minute gig will work--we want maximum value from AR whether its for this team or as a trading chip. I really believe to do this--with his age and missed games/coming off injury--just like a pitcher in baseball--go play in the minor leagues for 40 minutes a night--wake him up and lets see him get back on a roll.