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GustavBahler
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11/6/2010  5:05 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
tj23 wrote:Douglas is a harassing defender, but he's gotten burned by both Rose and Rondo, 2 guys with no perimeter game.

Very difficult to stop anyone on the perimeter consistently given the rules which now exist.

Those two will burn anyone at times, anyway.

You have to look at the war, not individual battles

Yep, two of the fastest PGs in the league. They do it to almost everyone. Douglas is playing well above my expectations of him.
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11/6/2010  5:29 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
tj23 wrote:Douglas is a harassing defender, but he's gotten burned by both Rose and Rondo, 2 guys with no perimeter game.

Very difficult to stop anyone on the perimeter consistently given the rules which now exist.

Those two will burn anyone at times, anyway.

You have to look at the war, not individual battles

Yep, two of the fastest PGs in the league. They do it to almost everyone. Douglas is playing well above my expectations of him.


Well Douglas has about half the minutes DRose was on the floor. And almost positive they changed schemes and the defense improved in the second period when they got stops and went on that run that got them up.

As for Rondo ...didn't he turnover with about a minute left when TD went for the steal?

oh and just sayin' You are not going to consistently stop any of the best in the game. knows this as you do. It's why he wants his guys to run 100% He wants the opposition to have expended it's energy in the fourth and his guys to have the legs to still hit the shot

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11/6/2010  6:31 PM
fishmike wrote:I loved Douglas at the end of last year. Looks like he's picked up right where he left off. Hard not to love what this guy does

Douglas is playing a backup 2 guard role really well so far. It also helps that we have shot blockers now to compliment his pressing style on D.

Would he be better off in a triangle offense? Yeah, he's basically a young Fisher. Would we be better off if KA got healthy and we traded TD for a pick and roll PG? I think you could make that argument. Why not try to optimize your franchise player?

Doulgas isn't as much of a problem as the fact that we passed up a huge crop of pure points in that draft and the fact that he's not a natural fit in this offense. MikeD is doing a nice job integrating him.

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11/6/2010  6:56 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
tj23 wrote:Douglas is a harassing defender, but he's gotten burned by both Rose and Rondo, 2 guys with no perimeter game.

Very difficult to stop anyone on the perimeter consistently given the rules which now exist.

Those two will burn anyone at times, anyway.

You have to look at the war, not individual battles

Yep, two of the fastest PGs in the league. They do it to almost everyone. Douglas is playing well above my expectations of him.

He's playing just like he did in college, he's just taking it to the NBA level...Watching all those clips of him in college, he was a pretty good scorer then

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11/6/2010  8:26 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I loved Douglas at the end of last year. Looks like he's picked up right where he left off. Hard not to love what this guy does

Douglas is playing a backup 2 guard role really well so far. It also helps that we have shot blockers now to compliment his pressing style on D.

Would he be better off in a triangle offense? Yeah, he's basically a young Fisher. Would we be better off if KA got healthy and we traded TD for a pick and roll PG? I think you could make that argument. Why not try to optimize your franchise player?

Doulgas isn't as much of a problem as the fact that we passed up a huge crop of pure points in that draft and the fact that he's not a natural fit in this offense. MikeD is doing a nice job integrating him.

Everyone agrees walsh fubared the hill pick... With you on that one man. Bigtime. But you have to agree doglas looks good as the backup PG and he's played a great SG off the bench

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11/6/2010  8:27 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I loved Douglas at the end of last year. Looks like he's picked up right where he left off. Hard not to love what this guy does

Douglas is playing a backup 2 guard role really well so far. It also helps that we have shot blockers now to compliment his pressing style on D.

Would he be better off in a triangle offense? Yeah, he's basically a young Fisher. Would we be better off if KA got healthy and we traded TD for a pick and roll PG? I think you could make that argument. Why not try to optimize your franchise player?

Doulgas isn't as much of a problem as the fact that we passed up a huge crop of pure points in that draft and the fact that he's not a natural fit in this offense. MikeD is doing a nice job integrating him.

Felton is playing better then all those Pgs taken after Hill.

Douglas at the #29 pick is a flat out steal as a basketball player. Even if we drafted Holiday or Jennings, taking Douglas with the #29 is a flat out steal.

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11/6/2010  9:04 PM
Since everyone here is allowed to make crazy predictions, it's my turn!

Toney Douglas = Joe Dumars

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11/6/2010  9:05 PM
fishmike wrote:
Everyone agrees walsh fubared the hill pick... With you on that one man. Bigtime. But you have to agree doglas looks good as the backup PG and he's played a great SG off the bench

he's played a great role in our second unit, he might not be a pure point but i like what he brings to the team in terms of defense, effort & shooting, he's also very efficient with the ball, not too many careless turnovers on his end and that shows even if he cant see the floor as well as some other point guards he's not exactly making bad desicions when the ball is in his hands.
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11/7/2010  7:26 AM
I liked the TD pick but I generally like our picks until proven otherwise. E.g. - I'm looking forward to Rautins getting spot minutes. After seeing what Fields did in college I loved the pick. Now, what is the difference between the Fields pick and the Tony Douglas pick? Seems to me they have a whole lot on common.

Tonights game is going to be interesting, hopefully we play smart and not overconfident. It might be Amare's coming out game.

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11/7/2010  11:23 AM
fishmike wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I loved Douglas at the end of last year. Looks like he's picked up right where he left off. Hard not to love what this guy does

Douglas is playing a backup 2 guard role really well so far. It also helps that we have shot blockers now to compliment his pressing style on D.

Would he be better off in a triangle offense? Yeah, he's basically a young Fisher. Would we be better off if KA got healthy and we traded TD for a pick and roll PG? I think you could make that argument. Why not try to optimize your franchise player?

Doulgas isn't as much of a problem as the fact that we passed up a huge crop of pure points in that draft and the fact that he's not a natural fit in this offense. MikeD is doing a nice job integrating him.

Everyone agrees walsh fubared the hill pick... With you on that one man. Bigtime. But you have to agree doglas looks good as the backup PG and he's played a great SG off the bench


- I'm ok with calling guys out for **** they've said in the past as long as it's done in a civilized manner. too many threads here have people at each other's throats about topics with 0 follow up down the road. there's actually a cool site where you can set a countdown clock for stuff. It might be cool to start using this to settle things.

Ex: People who said Randolph is just a role player. Set a time period. When time runs out revisit the subject

http://ticktocker.com/

- Last year's draft did look uuugly for us but at least we're not Minnesota fans right? Think about how much it hurts knowing instead of Flynn/Rubio you could have had any 2 from Curry/Jennings/Holliday/Collison. Hmm..maybe quick point guards are a dime a dozen these days so we'll just draft some this season?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/7/2010  12:34 PM
I knew this thread was coming. I don't have a problem getting called out for it. Its great to be able to have these debates about a winning team than a losing one.

I still believe that the lack of a pick and roll point to go with the ultimate pick and roll finisher is kind of like having a short armed QB with a big money, deep threat WR.

I'd love to get Maynor as the backup point on this team because he's not all that valuable to OKC, but he could give you 15 min a game here where you'd have Amare at his very best. Maynor ran pick and roll almost every play with Larry Sanders in college in exactly the same way Nash did with STAT.

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11/7/2010  3:28 PM
fishmike wrote:Call me out! Thats what dudes (as opposed to little girls) do! Thats whats fun about hanging your ass out there as oohah (I cant ever beat him in an arguement) says! Because when your right you get to bust balls. When your wrong its time to suck it up.

All of this is true. Especially the part about never beating me in an argument!

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11/7/2010  4:32 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I knew this thread was coming. I don't have a problem getting called out for it. Its great to be able to have these debates about a winning team than a losing one.

I still believe that the lack of a pick and roll point to go with the ultimate pick and roll finisher is kind of like having a short armed QB with a big money, deep threat WR.

I'd love to get Maynor as the backup point on this team because he's not all that valuable to OKC, but he could give you 15 min a game here where you'd have Amare at his very best. Maynor ran pick and roll almost every play with Larry Sanders in college in exactly the same way Nash did with STAT.

this is a good post. i agree with you about amar'e.

i'd love to snag maynor - i wanted him in the draft. he was available from utah, but i can't see OKC letting him go. he's really the one true PG in their rotation with Westbrook more of a combo.

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11/8/2010  7:32 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I knew this thread was coming. I don't have a problem getting called out for it. Its great to be able to have these debates about a winning team than a losing one.

I still believe that the lack of a pick and roll point to go with the ultimate pick and roll finisher is kind of like having a short armed QB with a big money, deep threat WR.

I'd love to get Maynor as the backup point on this team because he's not all that valuable to OKC, but he could give you 15 min a game here where you'd have Amare at his very best. Maynor ran pick and roll almost every play with Larry Sanders in college in exactly the same way Nash did with STAT.

now to be fair... you rode Jrue Holiday's jock pretty hard and he's having a breakout year. The guy definatly looks like he's going to be a player.
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11/8/2010  10:27 AM
Yeah, I just think that dudes who give you a size/speed/athletic advantage at any position are worth taking a shot on, especially at that time when we were a tiny team.

Jrue also had a rep for being a good defender coming out of college and we needed that as well.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/8/2010  10:38 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Yeah, I just think that dudes who give you a size/speed/athletic advantage at any position are worth taking a shot on, especially at that time when we were a tiny team.

Jrue also had a rep for being a good defender coming out of college and we needed that as well.


well you get credit for that one because you called. He seems like a pretty mature kid also. I always thought the MO behind the Douglas pick was it was very possible the Knicks were going to have like 4-5 guys left on a roster with 2 max players, and they really were going to need cheap guys who could play heavy minutes. You look at Douglas he's a 4 year CBB player, 20ppg scorer, played both positions, older, has elite quickness and ACC defensive player of the year. He may never be a star (I like the Bobby JAckson comparison) but he looked tailor made ready to play and a cheap cap hit way down there in round 1
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11/8/2010  11:13 AM
fishmike wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Yeah, I just think that dudes who give you a size/speed/athletic advantage at any position are worth taking a shot on, especially at that time when we were a tiny team.

Jrue also had a rep for being a good defender coming out of college and we needed that as well.


well you get credit for that one because you called. He seems like a pretty mature kid also. I always thought the MO behind the Douglas pick was it was very possible the Knicks were going to have like 4-5 guys left on a roster with 2 max players, and they really were going to need cheap guys who could play heavy minutes. You look at Douglas he's a 4 year CBB player, 20ppg scorer, played both positions, older, has elite quickness and ACC defensive player of the year. He may never be a star (I like the Bobby JAckson comparison) but he looked tailor made ready to play and a cheap cap hit way down there in round 1

I still say that LeBron missed the boat with this NY team. Imagine a lineup of Moz, Amare, Gallo, LeBron, TD with James as PG. That lineup is a terror.

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11/8/2010  11:19 AM
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
tj23 wrote:lmao calling people out. So where was Gallo for 3 entire games? What has Randolph done since he's been here?

fishmike never likes to admit being wrong about anything but he has no problem calling people out at every opportunity... this is the same guy who wanted to sign David Lee to a 6 year extension this summer, wanted to trade for Gerald Wallace last year & draft Joe Alexander among other things... but i don't see people creating a separate thread to point these things out & calling him out for it... go figure.

David Lee for $10mm a year (he ended up signing for more) fishmike voted yes
wanting to trade for Gerald Wallace (I still do, dude's awesome!) fishmike voted yes
loved Joe Alexander in that draft (he got hurt and sucked) fishmike voted yes
I also loved Majec Lampe, I also thought Sweetney would be really good player.

Call me out! Thats what dudes (as opposed to little girls) do! Thats whats fun about hanging your ass out there as oohah (I cant ever beat him in an arguement) says! Because when your right you get to bust balls. When your wrong its time to suck it up.

Phucks sakes man, how can you let this stuff work you up? Step away from the keyboard and get some air.

You thought Sweetney would be a real good player? You big dummy!!!

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11/8/2010  11:36 AM
Bippity10 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
tj23 wrote:lmao calling people out. So where was Gallo for 3 entire games? What has Randolph done since he's been here?

fishmike never likes to admit being wrong about anything but he has no problem calling people out at every opportunity... this is the same guy who wanted to sign David Lee to a 6 year extension this summer, wanted to trade for Gerald Wallace last year & draft Joe Alexander among other things... but i don't see people creating a separate thread to point these things out & calling him out for it... go figure.

David Lee for $10mm a year (he ended up signing for more) fishmike voted yes
wanting to trade for Gerald Wallace (I still do, dude's awesome!) fishmike voted yes
loved Joe Alexander in that draft (he got hurt and sucked) fishmike voted yes
I also loved Majec Lampe, I also thought Sweetney would be really good player.

Call me out! Thats what dudes (as opposed to little girls) do! Thats whats fun about hanging your ass out there as oohah (I cant ever beat him in an arguement) says! Because when your right you get to bust balls. When your wrong its time to suck it up.

Phucks sakes man, how can you let this stuff work you up? Step away from the keyboard and get some air.

You thought Sweetney would be a real good player? You big dummy!!!

the next barkley

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11/8/2010  11:38 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
tj23 wrote:lmao calling people out. So where was Gallo for 3 entire games? What has Randolph done since he's been here?

fishmike never likes to admit being wrong about anything but he has no problem calling people out at every opportunity... this is the same guy who wanted to sign David Lee to a 6 year extension this summer, wanted to trade for Gerald Wallace last year & draft Joe Alexander among other things... but i don't see people creating a separate thread to point these things out & calling him out for it... go figure.

David Lee for $10mm a year (he ended up signing for more) fishmike voted yes
wanting to trade for Gerald Wallace (I still do, dude's awesome!) fishmike voted yes
loved Joe Alexander in that draft (he got hurt and sucked) fishmike voted yes
I also loved Majec Lampe, I also thought Sweetney would be really good player.

Call me out! Thats what dudes (as opposed to little girls) do! Thats whats fun about hanging your ass out there as oohah (I cant ever beat him in an arguement) says! Because when your right you get to bust balls. When your wrong its time to suck it up.

Phucks sakes man, how can you let this stuff work you up? Step away from the keyboard and get some air.

You thought Sweetney would be a real good player? You big dummy!!!

the next barkley

whoa... I never said he would be THAT good. He had some nice post moves and a nose for ball on the glass. I did picture a 15/12 type guy who shot > 50% for a long time. Ate himself out of the league.
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