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Amare Stoudemire Is A Turnover Machine
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knicks1248
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11/5/2010  9:46 AM
Paladin55 wrote:Amare has to make some adjustments and not try to force things. It is painful watching him sometimes when he sets his mind to drive and pays no concern to the fact that he is being surround by 3 defenders, or is running into one of them in his charge to the basket.

On three occasions, he had a wide open guy for a baseline 3, and Turn the ball over on all three possesions trying to either draw the foul or make an impossible shot. He actually played a lot like Eddie curry on the offesive end.

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11/5/2010  9:48 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:Amare has to make some adjustments and not try to force things. It is painful watching him sometimes when he sets his mind to drive and pays no concern to the fact that he is being surround by 3 defenders, or is running into one of them in his charge to the basket.

On three occasions, he had a wide open guy for a baseline 3, and Turn the ball over on all three possesions trying to either draw the foul or make an impossible shot. He actually played a lot like Eddie curry on the offesive end.

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11/5/2010  10:05 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:Amare has to make some adjustments and not try to force things. It is painful watching him sometimes when he sets his mind to drive and pays no concern to the fact that he is being surround by 3 defenders, or is running into one of them in his charge to the basket.

On three occasions, he had a wide open guy for a baseline 3, and Turn the ball over on all three possesions trying to either draw the foul or make an impossible shot. He actually played a lot like Eddie curry on the offesive end.

Eddy at least use to shoots a high percentage. Amare is doing none of that. He is jacking shots like its nobody's business, that isn't Amare's game he needs to get back to the fundamental part of his game which is high percentage shooting.

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11/5/2010  10:15 AM
I don't care about the turnovers with Amar'e. I'm more than confident that he'll adjust and improve at that. It's the rebounding he has to be much more consistent at.
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11/5/2010  10:34 AM
If Amare can make a move--make your move. If there is a clean opportunity to pass make a pass. Dont try to go through 3 guys or spin dribble if you see a defender in the peripheral. Right now he looks like a bad version of Udonis Haslem rather than the guy we saw last year.
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11/5/2010  10:52 AM
BRIGGS wrote:If Amare can make a move--make your move. If there is a clean opportunity to pass make a pass. Dont try to go through 3 guys or spin dribble if you see a defender in the peripheral. Right now he looks like a bad version of Udonis Haslem rather than the guy we saw last year.

The scouting report on him was that once he decides he's going to score he gets a wee bit o' tunnel vision.

Solution 1:

Get him into more situations like he was in Phoenix rolling to the hoop or picking and popping for a wide open J.

Trade for Steve Nash
Have guards and Amare put in extra time getting that frikkin pick n roll down.

Maybe only Nash can thread em through defenders like he do????

Solution 2:

Have Amare work on passing out of a frikkin double team or get some more moves. Maybe a post game of some kind. Bring in Hakeem.

MDA should be able to to think of something, right?


Right?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/5/2010  10:55 AM
Amare is a finisher not a play maker.
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knicks1248
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11/5/2010  10:56 AM
Im going to take into consideration that he started out last season pretty slow.
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11/5/2010  11:08 AM
This is silly, Amare is turning the ball over because he's being doubled and triple teams. He does force the issue and thats where things go bad for him. To that end, if the rest of team can play like they did last night, then other teams will have to stay home and his numbers will adjust accordingly. Even chandler is seeing some double teams now, teams scout and game plan according to what they see on the tapes. People know Amare can score one on one, they've seen Wilson come off the bench. Its up to Gallo, douglas, fields, etc to make those open shots. As fans we love to pick apart the star when he has an off game. But what I saw from Amare was aggression, many players get frustrated by not being able to score or turning the ball over, though with him, I see him still playing D, going up to make key blocks, hustling. Thats what your star should do and the team picked up the slack. The team is new and still learning each other. Hopefully, Gallo can keep this up, he was nasty in the first half!
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11/5/2010  11:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2010  11:21 AM
"Fast don't lie!"

michael6835 - you know I love you like the red-headed step cousin on my Aunt Betty's side of the family but it was not just one game.

I'd be delighted if Amare simply stops spinning into the lane without looking.

Look on the bright side. Once he gets in sync with the backcourt (and vice versa) by December - the crowd will stand and cheer.

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11/5/2010  11:25 AM
earl,
82 game season,
they are 2-2, so it will even out. Being a forward in this league has everything to do with your cast. It's not like he is 1,2,3 where he can have the ball on the wing and control his flow. He needs space to do what he does, if the rest of the team isn't going to hit shots and step up (GALLO) then teams will always stack the deck on Amare, why wouldn't you.

Side bar, it would be cool to have a "notify me by email" feature to the board. I've seen it in other forums, where you can subscribe to a thread. I don't post much because I don't get to check often.

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11/5/2010  11:34 AM
Nalod wrote:I love Barkley. Man got that Yogi Berra Stupid-Smart thing down. He is there for the comedy.

Knicks have and will make adjustments. Often its what the defense gives you. Yes, they took away Amare and dared us to beat them with Gallo and our guards. They lost.

Bulls came roaring back as one might have thought. We prevailed even with the TO's.

This is exactly the point, Their defense was playing Amare only and they lost the gamble. If we can consistently make good ddefensive teams pay when they focus all their might on Amare for a few games, we will automatically gain respect from other teams. THEN we can look for a more balance defense against us where Amare will have more freedom.

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11/5/2010  11:51 AM
Michael6835 wrote:Side bar, it would be cool to have a "notify me by email" feature to the board. I've seen it in other forums, where you can subscribe to a thread. I don't post much because I don't get to check often.

And with the ability to reply via email so I don't even have to log in.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/5/2010  1:05 PM
kam77 wrote:
Michael6835 wrote:Side bar, it would be cool to have a "notify me by email" feature to the board. I've seen it in other forums, where you can subscribe to a thread. I don't post much because I don't get to check often.

And with the ability to reply via email so I don't even have to log in.

unfor we are low tech here at ultimateknicks.com

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11/5/2010  1:14 PM
Can live with the turnovers for now if it means defenses keep focusing on him.
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11/5/2010  1:16 PM
Michael6835 wrote:earl,
82 game season,
they are 2-2, so it will even out. Being a forward in this league has everything to do with your cast. It's not like he is 1,2,3 where he can have the ball on the wing and control his flow. He needs space to do what he does, if the rest of the team isn't going to hit shots and step up (GALLO) then teams will always stack the deck on Amare, why wouldn't you.


the thing is, he's been single covered until he hits the paint and he's going to draw lots of attention there regardless of the players around him.

but you are right that he will adjust. it's hard to average 7 TO's a game for an entire season. it's just a matter of how long before he wises up.

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11/5/2010  6:04 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:amare is not a good dribbler or passer. they are running the offense like he is bosh in toronto or dirk in dallas, with setting him up at the elbow. bosh can find open people but amare 90% of the time is going to shoot and makes it fairly obvious when his intentions are to pass. when he puts the ball on the floor bad things happen enough times for him to just not do that.

in phoenix either nash set him up in the paint, or off a pick n pop or the ball came around to him around the basket. that's why he shot over 55% there. more telling than his turnovers is the fact he is shooting closer to 40% which if you have been watching the games has not been a fluke. it's only 4 games but it is very alarming and for us to have any shot at the playoffs he needs to come close to his efficiency in phoenix.

i'm sure d'antoni is aware of this and i hope the offense goes through danilo more as he's the only other guy that can create and finish himself. he's much more suited for the elbow than amare. hopefully the pick n roll develops but the offense with amare starting far from the basket is just not working out and i doubt it gets much better.


I've only watched one game and listened to one game but this sounds 100% right from what I've seen. Somehow Amare was a monster in the preseason though. Maybe it's just that no one plays defense in the preseason.
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11/6/2010  7:11 AM
"So please, I ask but three things: Gallo, keep shooting well; Amar’e, stop putting the ball on the floor every time and look to kick it out; and Toney Douglas, keep doing what you do"

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11/6/2010  8:05 AM
Give it time. They're still learning to play together. I'd say play improved with the extra practice the team got because of the asbestos.
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11/6/2010  8:29 AM
Michael6835 - between the sudden rebirth of Galinari and the tenacity of our backcourt, Amare is making the adjustment to New York in more ways than learning how to hail a cab.

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Amare Stoudemire Is A Turnover Machine

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