martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Mike has success with players like Diaw and Fields that understand the game and can execute what he coaches. I'm struck by just how little regard there is for Mke's Coaching ability. This guy is being conservative in his statements but he knows what he's doing and what AR can give at his point. He sees this kid for hours at a time in practice, but dealing with players when they lack confidence is the toughest job a coach has. We may want coach to sit a guy in favor of someone else but he's got to be careful not to lose a guy he may need later on. At the same time he doesn't want to hurt the team by playing a guy who isn't getting it done.

We've only got one binaries All Star so it makes rotation decisions tough.

Diaw was in his third year in the league and he got the chance to play with Nash. I think those two things can't be discounted when looking at his success when he was traded to Phoenix. As far as Fields is concerned he really hasn't had a long run with D'Antoni so other than making the decision to play him as a rookie starter I am not sure how much credit D'Antoni should get for his development. I do think Walsh recognized that his coach has not done well with young players that needed more coaching, mentoring and building up and drafted accordingly. Remember Fields is a year older than Randolph and was a 4 year player in college. Rautins is 24.

So why did Walsh bring in AR? AR is as far from a finished product as you can probably get and Mike and his staff are gonna have to develop him. What about Timo? You see i'm really tired of this crap that you keep pushing about Mike as if he's this weak minded guy that can't handle any kind of challenge. The guys entire career suggests otherwise. You want to hold him having Nash against him when guys like Phil and Pat Riley had even more stacked decks than Mike and his flawed PHX teams.

With regard to Diaw just what had he done before Mike got him and gave him a role that he fit perfectly? Also what does Nash have to do with Diaw getting assists, rebs, stls and playing defense at C? Give the coach some damn credit.

YR	TM	G	GS	MIN	FG	 FG%	3P	3P%	STL	BLK	TO	REB	AST	PTS
03-04	ATL	76	37	25.3	1.8-4.1	 0.447	0.1-0.3	0.231	0.80	0.50	1.7	4.5	2.4	4.5
04-05	ATL	66	25	18.2	1.9-4.5	 0.422	0.1-0.8	0.180	0.60	0.30	1.3	2.6	2.3	4.8
05-06	PHO	81	70	35.5	5.5-10.5 0.526	0.1-0.4	0.267	0.70	1.00	4.9	6.9	6.2	13.3

Walsh brought in Randolph because he was able to get him in a sign and trade and he liked him as a player. He has brought in other guys that he liked and that he thought would develop and fill a need for the team that D'Antoni had no use for so this is not something new. As far as D'Antoni handling challenges, he hasn't in NY and his success is directly linked to having a hof, mvp point guard. The rest of his tenure in the league has been far from successful. Pat Riley and Phil Jackson have both won multiple championships and been successful with different teams players and in Riley's case playing styles. D'Antoni is not in their league and should not be compared to them. In regards to D'Antoni's career I am only going to focus on his tenure in the NBA. He has had four very successful years when he was paired with Nash and four very unsuccessful years when he wins at a rate around 30%. Just facts and numbers. Not sure why you dispute what he has done in NY and what he has not been able to accomplish over the 4 years he did not have Nash as his point guard. His first two years in NY were a disaster. He needs to change to be successful and in the past he has always been too rigid to do this.

You mean previous to this year Walsh has traded for guys that he liked and MDA couldn't develop? How do you say that without laughing.Up until this year just about all of the guys Walsh brought in were for shorter contracts and to get under the cap for 2010 so he could start rebuilding. This is the first year he has brought in guys that are here for the future (and to develop).

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Mike has success with players like Diaw and Fields that understand the game and can execute what he coaches. I'm struck by just how little regard there is for Mke's Coaching ability. This guy is being conservative in his statements but he knows what he's doing and what AR can give at his point. He sees this kid for hours at a time in practice, but dealing with players when they lack confidence is the toughest job a coach has. We may want coach to sit a guy in favor of someone else but he's got to be careful not to lose a guy he may need later on. At the same time he doesn't want to hurt the team by playing a guy who isn't getting it done.

We've only got one binaries All Star so it makes rotation decisions tough.

Diaw was in his third year in the league and he got the chance to play with Nash. I think those two things can't be discounted when looking at his success when he was traded to Phoenix. As far as Fields is concerned he really hasn't had a long run with D'Antoni so other than making the decision to play him as a rookie starter I am not sure how much credit D'Antoni should get for his development. I do think Walsh recognized that his coach has not done well with young players that needed more coaching, mentoring and building up and drafted accordingly. Remember Fields is a year older than Randolph and was a 4 year player in college. Rautins is 24.

So why did Walsh bring in AR? AR is as far from a finished product as you can probably get and Mike and his staff are gonna have to develop him. What about Timo? You see i'm really tired of this crap that you keep pushing about Mike as if he's this weak minded guy that can't handle any kind of challenge. The guys entire career suggests otherwise. You want to hold him having Nash against him when guys like Phil and Pat Riley had even more stacked decks than Mike and his flawed PHX teams.

With regard to Diaw just what had he done before Mike got him and gave him a role that he fit perfectly? Also what does Nash have to do with Diaw getting assists, rebs, stls and playing defense at C? Give the coach some damn credit.

YR	TM	G	GS	MIN	FG	 FG%	3P	3P%	STL	BLK	TO	REB	AST	PTS
03-04	ATL	76	37	25.3	1.8-4.1	 0.447	0.1-0.3	0.231	0.80	0.50	1.7	4.5	2.4	4.5
04-05	ATL	66	25	18.2	1.9-4.5	 0.422	0.1-0.8	0.180	0.60	0.30	1.3	2.6	2.3	4.8
05-06	PHO	81	70	35.5	5.5-10.5 0.526	0.1-0.4	0.267	0.70	1.00	4.9	6.9	6.2	13.3

Walsh brought in Randolph because he was able to get him in a sign and trade and he liked him as a player. He has brought in other guys that he liked and that he thought would develop and fill a need for the team that D'Antoni had no use for so this is not something new. As far as D'Antoni handling challenges, he hasn't in NY and his success is directly linked to having a hof, mvp point guard. The rest of his tenure in the league has been far from successful. Pat Riley and Phil Jackson have both won multiple championships and been successful with different teams players and in Riley's case playing styles. D'Antoni is not in their league and should not be compared to them. In regards to D'Antoni's career I am only going to focus on his tenure in the NBA. He has had four very successful years when he was paired with Nash and four very unsuccessful years when he wins at a rate around 30%. Just facts and numbers. Not sure why you dispute what he has done in NY and what he has not been able to accomplish over the 4 years he did not have Nash as his point guard. His first two years in NY were a disaster. He needs to change to be successful and in the past he has always been too rigid to do this.

You mean previous to this year Walsh has traded for guys that he liked and MDA couldn't develop? How do you say that without laughing.Up until this year just about all of the guys Walsh brought in were for shorter contracts and to get under the cap for 2010 so he could start rebuilding. This is the first year he has brought in guys that are here for the future (and to develop).

I am not sure why you would say that. Also, I said fill needs and develop. Without putting much thought into it two guys that fit that description would be Hill and Darko. Q's expiring was traded because Walsh thought the Knicks needed a center and Darko would fit their style. Hill was taken with the eigtth pick and didn't get run until after the trade deadline despite playing on an awful team where he was one of the only guys that was supposed to be around the following year.

Darko admitted that he dogged it when on the Knicks. Hill came out of shape to training camp.

crzymdups wrote:yeah, i really wish D'Antoni had tried harder to get something out of darko and jordan hill. :rolls eyes:

those guys are the EPITOMY of scrubs.

the magic went on a 51-12 run against darko's timberwolves tonight. 51-12!!!

and jordan hill doesn't make it off the pine for houston, who signed brad miller and erick dampier because they wanted quality bigs who could actually play.

is all that d'antoni's fault, too? gimme a break.

jusnice wrote:So, was watching last night's debacle and was excited to see Randolph on the floor more. He had a nice oop in the 1st half. But....why is he getting the ball repeatedly at the top of the 3 point line, passing it to a guard, and then rotating to the corner and staying behind the 3 point line. Is this the offense that MDA is running or is it his stupid ass not knowing where to go on the court. I'm sure they don't want him hanging around the 3 point line and would think his value in a set offense is in making cuts to the hoop, playing in the post, and rebounding aggressively.

It was painful to watch him just stand around, particularly in the 2nd half. Isn't it the job of the coach to get players into the right positions on the floor? Is this on MDA or on Randolph?

I think you make some good points here Jus...AR's the type of guy I wanna see get the ball, even if it is out high, and just attack..Even more than Amar'e --- STAT has shown me that he's more apt to turn the ball over if he has to take more than 2 dribbles to get a shot off...AR meanwhile is really a unique player with that handle of his...I wanna see AR established as a go-to primary scorer on this team...Never to the point where he's forcing shots, but I wanna see him much more aggressive on the offensive end. You're right, I've noticed that hand-off and run to the corner stuff a lot myself -- that's not how you want this kid to play..Excellent point too Jus -- who's fault is this, AR's or MDA's?? I think Mike's gotta take some of the blame here --- I think players come here to play for D'Antoni having a preconceived notion in their heads of what playing for this guy is like and then realize that it's not really as freelance and free-form as they thought..It does seem like it's pretty structured and sometimes it doesn't play to player's individual skills at all..So yeah, a lot of this is on Mike..You don't want a guy like Anthony Randolph bringing the ball up, handing it off and running to the corner..You want this guy running toward the rim if anything (he's not even a great 3-point shooter -- with Gallo, I can kinda see playing it like that, but not with this kid). He mine as well run back to the locker room if that's the case. He's taking himself right outta the play running 20-25' from the basket..It's too damn passive given his ability and potential for big impact...Man if I had his ability, given how the team has played so far which has been far from great, I'd be playing much, much more forceful..."GIVE ME THE DAMN BALL"-type stuff, you know? He's gotta snap outta this funk. He should realize that he needs to step it up and that this team desperately needs him to start showing up in a big way. And yeah, Mike's gotta realize this as well and start playing to his strengths.

jusnice wrote:So, was watching last night's debacle and was excited to see Randolph on the floor more. He had a nice oop in the 1st half. But....why is he getting the ball repeatedly at the top of the 3 point line, passing it to a guard, and then rotating to the corner and staying behind the 3 point line. Is this the offense that MDA is running or is it his stupid ass not knowing where to go on the court. I'm sure they don't want him hanging around the 3 point line and would think his value in a set offense is in making cuts to the hoop, playing in the post, and rebounding aggressively.

It was painful to watch him just stand around, particularly in the 2nd half. Isn't it the job of the coach to get players into the right positions on the floor? Is this on MDA or on Randolph?