Bonn1997 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:Memphis is in a world of hurt financially and they just extended Mike Conley. Strange move.

This coming offseason they need to extend both Zach Randolph and Gasol.

Something is gonna come loose.

Gasol is 25 yrs old.

Randolph is 29 yrs old.

One is solid at both ends the floor while the other is an offensive beast who plays terrible defense. This will be an easy choice for Memphis.

On defense, a Zach/Amare combo is a disaster.

If we could just find a way to add Avi Lee to that and start a frontline of 3 PF's we would be all set defensively.

TMS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I would take Z bo back with a modest contract

why? We already got Amare.

But he's a rebounding beast and played really well in MDA's system. He also has a reliable jumper, and would not look bad along side Amare, either one can play c for little while, and amare would see much less doubles-if any at all.

I'm not saying it should be a 1st option, but definetly should be explored

ok, let's explore it... nah, bad idea.

Well Im not sure where gasol would fit along with Tim

lol Conley rant.

fishmike wrote:another reason to be ho-hum on Melo. A big athletic center makes us elite much faster than a volume shooting wing

+1

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:another reason to be ho-hum on Melo. A big athletic center makes us elite much faster than a volume shooting wing

Marc Gasol is a stiff/halfcourt Center and wouldn't fit here anyway. But I love how you keep labling Carmelo Anthony a volume shooting wing like he's this mediocre player (guess you would take David Lee over Melo too?). Gasol isn't even better than Al Holford and I wouldn't take him over Melo either.

Is he really that stiff or is that just the kind of game/offense they run in Memphis. I think he would work well in NY along side Amare and hopefully WITH Melo.

But i can't see Memphis NOT matching. not after they locked up conley and gay.

Memphis will re-sign Gasol.

I agree with those who say that they might have an escape from memphis planned.

also, i bet their owner, heisley, will be one of the guys leading the charge for salary reductions.

fishmike wrote:

grillco wrote:

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:another reason to be ho-hum on Melo. A big athletic center makes us elite much faster than a volume shooting wing

Marc Gasol is a stiff/halfcourt Center and wouldn't fit here anyway. But I love how you keep labling Carmelo Anthony a volume shooting wing like he's this mediocre player (guess you would take David Lee over Melo too?). Gasol isn't even better than Al Holford and I wouldn't take him over Melo either.

Is he really that stiff or is that just the kind of game/offense they run in Memphis. I think he would work well in NY along side Amare and hopefully WITH Melo.

Sergio hasnt seen him play, otherwise he wouldnt have posted that.

Gasol last year: 15ppg, 1.6blks, 9rpg and shot 58% from the field.

The guy is athletic for his size and position. He's got a very nice touch from mid range and is very physical.

Sergio and others will say things like he wont fit here, he doesnt shoot 3s, he's not an MDA player etc.

You can believe that, or you can go watch a couple memphis games and picture what this guy would look like next to Amare.

I never said Melo is a mediocre player. He's a volume shooting wing. Thats a fact and can not be disputed.

Size and defense wins titles. You watch this team even after 3 games and you see Chandler, Felton, Douglas, Fields all play very good defense as a group. You stick that group with a superstar PF (Amare) and a big physical center who cleans the glass, blocks shots and shoot > 55% and your an elite team.

Melo is great, and he's a great finisher and putting all those guys I mentioned above in a trade is a great way watch the KNicks score 120 a night and rarely advance in the playoffs because defense and rebounding will always beat scoring in the playoffs.

Kevin Durant is a volume shooting wing too... what's that got to do with anything? would you not prefer him over Marc Gasol? let's be realistic here... given a choice between Melo or Gasol, i'm taking Melo all day... pair up Melo with Amare & put some solid role players alongside them like Felton, Fields, Turiaf & Douglas & you're a better team than if you have Amare & Gasol up front with Gallo & Wilson on the wings & Felton.

btw, if size & defense wins titles, why are you happy with MDA as our head coach?

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

grillco wrote:

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:another reason to be ho-hum on Melo. A big athletic center makes us elite much faster than a volume shooting wing

Marc Gasol is a stiff/halfcourt Center and wouldn't fit here anyway. But I love how you keep labling Carmelo Anthony a volume shooting wing like he's this mediocre player (guess you would take David Lee over Melo too?). Gasol isn't even better than Al Holford and I wouldn't take him over Melo either.

Is he really that stiff or is that just the kind of game/offense they run in Memphis. I think he would work well in NY along side Amare and hopefully WITH Melo.

Sergio hasnt seen him play, otherwise he wouldnt have posted that.

Gasol last year: 15ppg, 1.6blks, 9rpg and shot 58% from the field.

The guy is athletic for his size and position. He's got a very nice touch from mid range and is very physical.

Sergio and others will say things like he wont fit here, he doesnt shoot 3s, he's not an MDA player etc.

You can believe that, or you can go watch a couple memphis games and picture what this guy would look like next to Amare.

I never said Melo is a mediocre player. He's a volume shooting wing. Thats a fact and can not be disputed.

Size and defense wins titles. You watch this team even after 3 games and you see Chandler, Felton, Douglas, Fields all play very good defense as a group. You stick that group with a superstar PF (Amare) and a big physical center who cleans the glass, blocks shots and shoot > 55% and your an elite team.

Melo is great, and he's a great finisher and putting all those guys I mentioned above in a trade is a great way watch the KNicks score 120 a night and rarely advance in the playoffs because defense and rebounding will always beat scoring in the playoffs.

Kevin Durant is a volume shooting wing too... what's that got to do with anything? would you not prefer him over Marc Gasol? let's be realistic here... given a choice between Melo or Gasol, i'm taking Melo all day... pair up Melo with Amare & put some solid role players alongside them like Felton, Fields, Turiaf & Douglas & you're a better team than if you have Amare & Gasol up front with Gallo & Wilson on the wings & Felton.

btw, if size & defense wins titles, why are you happy with MDA as our head coach?

I thought I explained exactly what thats got to do with anything. That defense and size and rebounding wins titles. Therefore my first choice is to invest my cap space $$$ on becoming a team elite in those areas over being elite in volume scoring.

Who says I am happy with MDA as our coach? I have been saying the same thing about the Knicks coaching since Chaney was here and yes, he did a good job. The talent on this team needs to improve, not the coaching.

3 games into itKnicks are 12th in the league in opposing FG%

Did MDA suddenly decide defense matters? No.. we have guys that play defense. If I stick up for MDA at all it because I get tired of same games saying the same things that simply arent true, such as this coach doesnt care about defense. Its idiotic. Suddenly we see the rotation is Amare, Felton, Douglas, Fields, Turiaf, Chandler, Walker, Mosgov and now MDA coaches defense? Its stupid and silly.

I would not take Melo over
Lebron, Dirk, Wade, Durant, Howard, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Kobe, Pau Gasol, Amare, Chris Paul or Steve Nash. KG and Duncan are past their prime and Tyreke Evans and Stephen Curry arent there yet but in the mix. So I dont see Melo as a top 10 player.

Melo is damn good, but he's a 3x all star, not a 7x all star. He's an every other year guy. He's in the Joe Johnson, Bosh, Brandon Roy, Granger, Billups category. All bigtime talents and all star players. For Melo to break into that top tier he's got to become more than a great scorer. If he averaged 10 rebounds or was a bigtime defender, or was 5-6 assist guy then I could put him up there.

it's not just all about size & defense.

Just because MDA had great success coaching a small team in Pho doesnt mean thats his preference. Those teams were always big on getting steals, rebounding and then pushing the ball off misses and TOs for quick easy baskets.

For me Melo is simple about cost and need. We have 2 things right now. I see a nice handful of good young rotation players in Douglas, Fields, Gallo, AR, Mosgov and Chandler. I also see max cap space next year.

The Knicks can score. Its not like we are shooting 38% and scoring 88 ppg. For all we know Chandler averages 20ppg and 7rpg and shoots 48%. How much better does Melo make us?

You seem to focus on Melo > Gasol therefore going for Gasol is dumb and going for Melo is great. Melo IS > than Gasol, but so what? How much better would the Knicks be than those Nugget teams that failed to advance? Not so much IMO.

You and Sergio pick what you want to read and regurgitate I dont like Melo or I think Gallo is better or other such crap. Melo is a great talent and certainly a top 20 player. Is he the piece that will get the Knicks a title? I dont see it. Is Gasol? Honestly, more than Melo... yes. When I look at how to beat a team like the Heat, or LAkers you have to do it with size and I say look at Larry Brown's Pistons. You cant outshoot teams like that in a 7 game series. You can beat them up physically, beat them on the glass, beat them at the FT line. Thats a proven formula.

If Melo is such a great crunchtime scorer why has he been out of the round one only once? Whats his playoff record? If he's putting his team on his top ten NBA back in crunchtime why is the only team he advanced when Billups was the guy making more of those plays than he was?

btw, don't mix me in with Sergio, i make my own arguments i don't need to twist anyone's words to make a point... you on the other hand, seem to have no problem with that... when did i ever say it was dumb to go after Marc Gasol? i said i prefer to go after Melo over Gasol... that doesn't mean i wouldn't want a guy like Gasol on my team... i've already said i think he's a very good player on this thread several times... but let's just ignore my comments & make assumptions... & you wanna call people out for picking what they want to read & regurgitating crap? please.

Hopefully you can drop the grudge.

Back to basketball.

Scoring is one of the easier things to aquire in the NBA. Size isnt. There is a reason the league is littered with overpaid underachieving bigmen, because their impact goes beyong their PPG.

If Kedrick Perkins is healthy does Boston win another title? I think they do

Magic/Kareem... Clyde/Willis... Drexler/Olajuwon... Kobe/Gasol... that's what i'm looking for...

Melo's playoff career 39 games 24ppg, 41% FGs, 3 TOs a game
Year by year:
2010: 2-4
2009: 10-6
2008: 0-4
2007: 1-4
2006: 1-4
2005: 1-4
2004: 1-4
2003: 2-4

dude's 19-32 in these games where he's supposed to be the carry my team crunch time guy.

Tell me again why a guy (thats you) who has preached winning a title is first and foremost above all else is so married to getting this guy and figuring out what happens next? Cause I just dont see it.