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Chandler is shooting 54% from 2 and 26 from 3
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JohnWallace44
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11/1/2010  2:09 PM
We're asking Chandler to be a high volume shooter. He'll have his worst % year this year as long as he's in a 6th man role.
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11/1/2010  2:18 PM
The offense is predicated on penetration and spreading the floor. Teams have to have it in the back of their mind that Wilson might take and hit a 3 every now and then.

I don't what Gallo's issue is- I go with the hand at this point- but he is not hitting jumpers, probably does not want to drive because of the hand, and is basically useless on offense at this point. Add to that the fact that the guy defending him can drop off a little because Gallo is shooting so poorly, and you have a situation that does not only affect his scoring, but also the scoring of his teammates.

If teams can lay off of Gallo and not worry about Chandler things are made that much more difficult for Felton and Amare because teams can pack the middle. If I was Amare I would not want to kick it out to Gallo at this point off my drive, and maybe that is why he is forcing things and turning the ball over so much. If I am guarding Gallo, I drop off, stop him from any kind of drive, and make him shoot from distance.

Chandler has played quite well so far- he should probably limit his 3s, but I understand that he has to keep the opposition honest by hitting some every now and then. He is not the problem in any way, IMO.

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11/1/2010  3:14 PM
Paladin55 wrote:The offense is predicated on penetration and spreading the floor. Teams have to have it in the back of their mind that Wilson might take and hit a 3 every now and then.

I don't what Gallo's issue is- I go with the hand at this point- but he is not hitting jumpers, probably does not want to drive because of the hand, and is basically useless on offense at this point. Add to that the fact that the guy defending him can drop off a little because Gallo is shooting so poorly, and you have a situation that does not only affect his scoring, but also the scoring of his teammates.

If teams can lay off of Gallo and not worry about Chandler things are made that much more difficult for Felton and Amare because teams can pack the middle. If I was Amare I would not want to kick it out to Gallo at this point off my drive, and maybe that is why he is forcing things and turning the ball over so much. If I am guarding Gallo, I drop off, stop him from any kind of drive, and make him shoot from distance.

Chandler has played quite well so far- he should probably limit his 3s, but I understand that he has to keep the opposition honest by hitting some every now and then. He is not the problem in any way, IMO.

I guess this is why we saw Walker at the end of games as he has shown some 3 pt ability and did well rebounding in close. Still I don't know that TD might not help there, he can shoot the 3 as well as being a good defender. I know it is not the only factor in the Blazers run because they changed personnel the last few minutes in for the push. But we did too Portland started their run when TD left the floor. I would have liked to see Moz and Toney finishing more. Also know d'A is worried about Moz's fouls but seems to me he gets almost as many blocks as fouls.

Somebody needs to make the other team respect that outside 3 from the corner at least. For me their was no surprise that Stat got the ball at end game. The other team was prepared for it. have to find another option somewhere. And where's the cutter if he's double or triple teamed?

If he has the ball at the top of the key he should have at least 3 options. A cutter, a drive to the hole or a corner trey on a kickout. One step to the hole he draws 2-3 guys somebody is open.

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11/1/2010  3:17 PM
Paladin55 wrote:The offense is predicated on penetration and spreading the floor. Teams have to have it in the back of their mind that Wilson might take and hit a 3 every now and then.

I don't what Gallo's issue is- I go with the hand at this point- but he is not hitting jumpers, probably does not want to drive because of the hand, and is basically useless on offense at this point. Add to that the fact that the guy defending him can drop off a little because Gallo is shooting so poorly, and you have a situation that does not only affect his scoring, but also the scoring of his teammates.

If teams can lay off of Gallo and not worry about Chandler things are made that much more difficult for Felton and Amare because teams can pack the middle. If I was Amare I would not want to kick it out to Gallo at this point off my drive, and maybe that is why he is forcing things and turning the ball over so much. If I am guarding Gallo, I drop off, stop him from any kind of drive, and make him shoot from distance.

Chandler has played quite well so far- he should probably limit his 3s, but I understand that he has to keep the opposition honest by hitting some every now and then. He is not the problem in any way, IMO.

Exactly, this is why it is so critical for Gallo to get his outside shooting going. But the majority here seems to favor him driving to the basket everytime he touches the ball, which if you have seen the last few games it seems he would trip over his own feet trying to do. I don't mind him mixing it up a bit but his primary role on this offense is outside shooting and not penetration.

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11/1/2010  3:22 PM
Olbrannon wrote:I would have liked to see Moz and Toney finishing more. Also know d'A is worried about Moz's fouls but seems to me he gets almost as many blocks as fouls.

I think with MDA and Moz it is a trust thing. Moz still committing the really silly fouls - trying to tip the ball out of Aldridge's hands 30 feet and go for the steal when there is no angle to do so? My guess is that the coaching, any coaching staff in fact, would wait until all of those silly little things are out of the guy's system before giving him more minutes and letting him be in the game at critical times.

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11/1/2010  3:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2010  3:31 PM
wilson is shooting too many threes.

but with the paint packed to stop amare, he kind of needs to be taking them right now - someone on this team is really going to need to stick the longball.

it'd be nice if gallo was healthy/awake. hoping kelenna can be the guy to nail some outside shots. we need somebody to do it.

wilson has been great though. the rebounding in particular. he's finally turning into that marion type of rebounder d'antoni hoped he could be.

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11/1/2010  3:36 PM
crzymdups wrote:wilson is shooting too many threes.

but with the paint packed to stop amare, he kind of needs to be taking them right now - someone on this team is really going to need to stick the longball.

it'd be nice if gallo was healthy/awake. hoping kelenna can be the guy to nail some outside shots. we need somebody to do it.

wilson has been great though. the rebounding in particular. he's finally turning into that marion type of rebounder d'antoni hoped he could be.

sometimes it really just takes time. Did we learn nothing from watching David Lee for 5 years? Chandler has the great combo of physical skills and work ethic. He's become a good enough scorer where he doesnt have to think about it so much, so he can THINK about where to be when shots go up, where his man is, how to get a body on him and hit that glass. It took Camby 5 years in the league or so, because he was a below average rebounder and worked his way into being one of the best.
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11/1/2010  3:56 PM
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oohah wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:He is playing so well for the most part but has taken bad 3's/shots in the 4th Q the last 2 games. If he sticks to a quality 3 1-3 times a game and concentrates on the 2--I think he can shoot 50%.

Yeah, but this is D'Antoni's system so you have to understand that Chandler is essentially required to take a large number of three-point shots.

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This isn't true. Dude takes stupid shots. He cost us the game vs. Portland by taking an ill-advised and contested three point shot (trying to answer Andre Miller's three) with a ton of time left on the shot clock in a one point game with 2 minutes to play.

I remember Avi Lee used to do similar things late in games or not box out on critical missed shots late. Wonder what you'd say if Lee was here and he went for 22/16/3blks

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11/1/2010  4:11 PM
If the team is going to disregard the clock towards the end of the game then they must take the ball hard to the hoop. Either draw a foul with 15-20 sec left on the shot clock or get the basket going to the hoop. But the pressure must be put on the opposing team to foul or allow the hoop. Jacking up three and deep jumpers with 15-20 seconds left on the clock will cost more games than win games. If the team has a lead in the fourth like the knicks had with Portland they should have gone to the basket every chance they got and put the pressure on the Blazers to foul. The Knicks bailed the blazers out by taking jumpers and played into their hands.
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11/1/2010  4:27 PM
we're not going to win many games this year if Wilson Chandler is our featured player in the offense.
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11/1/2010  4:31 PM
crzymdups wrote:wilson is shooting too many threes.

but with the paint packed to stop amare, he kind of needs to be taking them right now - someone on this team is really going to need to stick the longball.

it'd be nice if gallo was healthy/awake. hoping kelenna can be the guy to nail some outside shots. we need somebody to do it.

wilson has been great though. the rebounding in particular. he's finally turning into that marion type of rebounder d'antoni hoped he could be.

This. People always neglect to mention the type of defenses our team is facing when claiming that players are taking "bad" shots. No doubt that 3 early in the shot-clock with 2 minutes still left to play was an awful decision, but in a lot of the other cases, he shot it simply to break the zone defense that Portland relied on for a good 80% of the night.

This is what happens when our only sharpshooter in Gallo has been playing so bad that D'Antoni is keeping him on the bench. We're left with just Walker and Chandler. No, I don't want him to take this many 3's, but we need someone to hit these outside shots to break the zone, or not only does Chandler's driving game suffer, but so does Amare's game.

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11/1/2010  4:38 PM
TMS wrote:we're not going to win many games this year if Wilson Chandler is our featured player in the offense.

I think a whole lot has to go right for us to be much over .500.

Amare kinda looked odd too. Missing FTs and jumpers he usually hits with ease. Him and Nash BOTH look like they're missing each other.

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11/1/2010  4:39 PM
martin wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Chandler is jacking ALOT of shots. He wants that $$$$ this summer.

This is true. I try to draft guys in contracts years in my fantasy leagues. Athletes don't F around in contract years.

Tying his shot production to contract year only is tough.

What about the fact that Gallo isn't playing well and Turiaf doesn't shoot outside of 3 feet so there cumulatively a lot more shots out there?

And also because Landry is a rook and picking his shots precisely?

Or perhaps because he is coming off the bench and they NEED him to carry the scoring load more?

Our offense looked so out of sync at times I can see that being true. But in general I'm staying with my contract year bets.

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11/1/2010  5:28 PM
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TMS wrote:we're not going to win many games this year if Wilson Chandler is our featured player in the offense.

I think a whole lot has to go right for us to be much over .500.

Amare kinda looked odd too. Missing FTs and jumpers he usually hits with ease. Him and Nash BOTH look like they're missing each other.

i view .500 as a bare minimum... this team has the talent to get there easily... i'm not looking for much more than that unless we make some significant moves to improve this roster... this team is going to have some stretches to the season where they run off 4-5 straight W's & guys will start hyping them up just like they did before the season began... then they'll fall into stretches where they go through a 4-5 game losing streak & they'll look absolutely horrible... that's basically what you get from a .500 type win team.

i definitely agree that Nash & Amare are much better as a tandem than they are individually... Nash will probably have an easier time maintaining his production because he has the ball in his hands on every possession, but for Amare to be at his best, he really needs a PG who can get him the ball in the flow of the offense in positions to score the basketball... he is dominant enough to create his own shot in the low post too, but a guy like Ray Felton is not going to make him look nearly as good as someone like Nash did... a guy like CP3 would do wonders for this team even at less than prime health... also having an elite scorer on the perimeter to take away some of the double teams Amare has to face would have a similar effect... we are not ever going to be a team to be reckoned with until we fill 1 or both of these holes in our roster.

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11/1/2010  5:40 PM
TMS wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
TMS wrote:we're not going to win many games this year if Wilson Chandler is our featured player in the offense.

I think a whole lot has to go right for us to be much over .500.

Amare kinda looked odd too. Missing FTs and jumpers he usually hits with ease. Him and Nash BOTH look like they're missing each other.

i view .500 as a bare minimum... this team has the talent to get there easily... i'm not looking for much more than that unless we make some significant moves to improve this roster... this team is going to have some stretches to the season where they run off 4-5 straight W's & guys will start hyping them up just like they did before the season began... then they'll fall into stretches where they go through a 4-5 game losing streak & they'll look absolutely horrible... that's basically what you get from a .500 type win team.

i definitely agree that Nash & Amare are much better as a tandem than they are individually... Nash will probably have an easier time maintaining his production because he has the ball in his hands on every possession, but for Amare to be at his best, he really needs a PG who can get him the ball in the flow of the offense in positions to score the basketball... he is dominant enough to create his own shot in the low post too, but a guy like Ray Felton is not going to make him look nearly as good as someone like Nash did... a guy like CP3 would do wonders for this team even at less than prime health... also having an elite scorer on the perimeter to take away some of the double teams Amare has to face would have a similar effect... we are not ever going to be a team to be reckoned with until we fill 1 or both of these holes in our roster.

Yeah. Amare looks 1,000 X better catching the ball taking 2 steps and giving opposing bigs the business or catching in rhythm off a pick and pop. He looks nowhere near as good trying to put the ball on the floor with hard double-teams coming at him. On a somewhat related note Brook Lopez is going to beast it this season.

I'm going to try to stay even keeled this season. Really looking forward to a hopefully healthy Azubuike coming back.

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11/1/2010  6:43 PM
TMS wrote:we're not going to win many games this year if Wilson Chandler is our featured player in the offense.

ditto with Amar'e being the #1 option. I really don't understand statements like this because obviously there must have been a clear #2 you had in mind. As in Pre-Ordained

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11/1/2010  6:47 PM
I'll further add statements like this are so asinine. Just think many comments have been made that if other players would step up just a tad(Gallo included in this group) we could be 3-0. Well if this is the case Chandler by the numbers after 3gms would still be a #2 option.....lol
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11/1/2010  6:59 PM
It continues to baffle me why people keep saying we shoot to many 3's...Thats what a MDA system plays like, you shoot the open 3 ball at will...fire away if your open, take the first available good shot, share the ball, spread the floor, let it go..

MDA says shoot the 3 ball, thats what he wants. Haven't you notice Amare is starting to take more 3's, and so will AR soon enough..

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11/1/2010  7:04 PM
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:we're not going to win many games this year if Wilson Chandler is our featured player in the offense.

ditto with Amar'e being the #1 option. I really don't understand statements like this because obviously there must have been a clear #2 you had in mind. As in Pre-Ordained

care to explain what's so assinine about saying we're not likely going to be a good team if Wilson is our featured offensive weapon? do you consider him to a star that can carry a team at this point? & how about offering some evidence that proves that Amare can't be a #1 option on a winning franchise that goes against what he's shown over his entire NBA career in Phoenix? just because i make this statement doesn't mean i have someone pre-ordained in mind... & you might do better to at least offer something more than throwing insults my way to counter what i'm saying.

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11/1/2010  7:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2010  10:35 PM
TMS wrote:
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:we're not going to win many games this year if Wilson Chandler is our featured player in the offense.

ditto with Amar'e being the #1 option. I really don't understand statements like this because obviously there must have been a clear #2 you had in mind. As in Pre-Ordained

care to explain what's so assinine about saying we're not likely going to be a good team if Wilson is our featured offensive weapon? do you consider him to a star that can carry a team at this point? & how about offering some evidence that proves that Amare can't be a #1 option on a winning franchise that goes against what he's shown over his entire NBA career in Phoenix? just because i make this statement doesn't mean i have someone pre-ordained in mind... & you might do better to at least offer something more than throwing insults my way to counter what i'm saying.

There are many ways a player can be featured doesn't mean they are THE FEATURE. I already explained to you in the second post. If Gallo hits a few more 3s, or Mason provides more of a spark, or heck if Amar'e stops turning the ball over we very well could be 3-0. If you look at the breakdown statistically with all this being said we would have done this with Chandler being a #2 option(a feature).

Not sure what was so complicated here.

The other point I made about Pre-Ordained....Obviously we know Amar'e was going to be a #1 option fans from early season projection have us winning about 37-42gms on average. That means someone outside of Amar'e had to step up and be a feature guy or #2 option. So if it wasn't Chandler who the coach said would have to be a breakout player for us.... then who else would it be since apparently he's not or was not the ideal in your mind from your comments?

You know what don't bother answering the question because the only realistic option left pts you in a very specific direction....hence Pre-Ordained.

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