Nalod wrote:
Yes, if credible the scout should stick his neck out and be held accountable for his pick.

IF the levels of comminication is not there then fix it. If Donnie needs his boys on his side to do so then Donnie is right.

Other teams passed on Jennings also.

And Milwaukee has made some bad picks also in the last few years.

Hill was more polished and tradeable than would Jennings if he was not given the reigns right away.

Good for Milwaukee to get lucky and promote the rookie as they did. Usually is does not work that way. Young skinny arrogant players often flame out under the pressure and bright lights. Jennings gave a crap workout by donnies accounts and none of Isiahs boys jumped up and down to say otherwise.

Where is Miss Cleo when you need her.

I dont understand the argument that other teams passed on Jennings. Other teams have Tyreke Evans, Stephen Curry, Russel Westbrook, and Johnny Flynn.

Are you just making stuff up. Jennings appears to get along fine with Skiles so this young arrogant attitude comment seems exaggerated. So Jennings workout was crap but he was on our draft board on draft night.

Walsh went with height and FAILED. Plain and simple.

Olbrannon wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Andrew wrote:There were countless Jennings articles that were written during his nice run of play. Now after the scout has some bad news that certainly affects his employability in a bad way and this new information is leaked and sourceless? I highly doubt it.

Walsh confirmed that the scouts were high on Jennings last year. Walsh basically said they should have pushed harder for them. I will find the exact quote and update my post.

"I couldn't get a feel for his game," Walsh said of Jennings last month. "One scout said he thought Brandon Jennings was very good. I said, 'If he's that good you should come in my door every five minutes and tell me.'"

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/12/10/2009-12-10_walsh_scouts_for_excuses.html

Walsh makes the final call on who we draft NOT the scout. Was the scout supposed to jump on Walsh's desk and stomp his feet until Walsh drafted Jennings?

uh, yeah, he was supposed to stomp his feet. it also says that this dude is not often in touch with the knicks organization and he was more contact with isiah than the knicks. AND he advised some HS player to go play for FIU... dude is shady and in isiah's pocket.

this whole story is all about the divisive power struggle that isiah is still leading in this organization. he did it against larry brown and now it looks like he's waging war against donnie walsh.

donnie's side puts out a story about the scouts behaving illegally so he is finally allowed to make changes to the scouting department.

isiah's side responds that his guys wanted jennings.

i'm so sick of isiah. he's toxic.

LOL more excuses. Isiah Thomas no longer works for MSG. Their is no power struggle because Isiah is ALL the way in Florida.

You seriously believe Walsh pushed the story about the scouts behaving illegally? It makes him look bad too.

Isiah could be dead and people will still make excuses about how his ghost is ruining the organization.

So... the US has no affect on China by this reasoning. you do not have to be their to exert influence
for all we know Dolan calls Thomas on a daily basis.

So Isiah is an NBA Organization by himself. Fact remains Walsh is running the Garden. Walsh makes the trades. Walsh makes the decisions.

You cant give Walsh credit for all the positives over the last 2 yrs and stick Isiah with all the negatives. If Gallo is a bust will you say Isiah co-signed drafting Gallo, so it's his fault?

nixluva wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Yes, if credible the scout should stick his neck out and be held accountable for his pick.

IF the levels of comminication is not there then fix it. If Donnie needs his boys on his side to do so then Donnie is right.

Other teams passed on Jennings also.

And Milwaukee has made some bad picks also in the last few years.

Hill was more polished and tradeable than would Jennings if he was not given the reigns right away.

Good for Milwaukee to get lucky and promote the rookie as they did. Usually is does not work that way. Young skinny arrogant players often flame out under the pressure and bright lights. Jennings gave a crap workout by donnies accounts and none of Isiahs boys jumped up and down to say otherwise.

Where is Miss Cleo when you need her.

I dont understand the argument that other teams passed on Jennings. Other teams have Tyreke Evans, Stephen Curry, Russel Westbrook, and Johnny Flynn.

Are you just making stuff up. Jennings appears to get along fine with Skiles so this young arrogant attitude comment seems exaggerated. So Jennings workout was crap but he was on our draft board on draft night.

Walsh went with height and FAILED. Plain and simple.

No you seem not to understand that there's a history in this league of young brash guys that don't respect authority destroying franchises in this league. You seem to be forgetting all the question marks about this kid all along. He wasn't coming into the draft as a can't miss NCAA Star player, the way you're making it sound now. He wasn't lighting it up in Europe and his workouts weren't all great either. There were 5 guards taken ahead of Jennings and the kid was picked 10th. He worked out for the Bucks. GREAT! Sometimes teams catch a break.

Chad Ford did a piece on Jennings before the draft. He fell because teams drafting ahead of us drafted guys from the NCAA that they were able too scout more.

Jennings called out Rubio for getting alot of hype even though Rubio didn't even work out for teams. Now that Rubio is proving to be more hype than substance people want to pretend like Jennings wasn't the #1 Highschool prospect in 2008. Jennings was supposed to go to Arizona and play with Jordan Hill but he didnt get the scores needed and Europe was offering CASH.

Here is the link to a copy of Chad Ford's article from ESPN Insider: http://www.flaviotranquillo.com/chad-ford-su-brandon-jennings/

Here is the ESPN Insider link: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=brandonjennings-090609

After the Marbury saga they did not want to deal with another headcase at the PG position.

TMS wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:Jennings is a good player but I can totally understand why the Knicks took a pass at the time.

After the Marbury saga they did not want to deal with another headcase at the PG position.

pretty much how i see it... not that Jennings has proven to be a headcase, but he did show some signs of being overly brash w/his talk about Rubio & also being a no show to the group workouts that several NBA teams attended (i believe that was the report)

if we could do it all over again, obviously we should have taken Jennings... Donnie made a mistake on passing him, it's clear, but i do see the reasoning why he did so... w/the David Lee situation up in the air at the time i also understand why he decided on taking Jordan Hill.

D'Antoni and Walsh should have done a better job of tanking the season before, and then they could have taken Curry who they were both in love with.

crzymdups wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Andrew wrote:There were countless Jennings articles that were written during his nice run of play. Now after the scout has some bad news that certainly affects his employability in a bad way and this new information is leaked and sourceless? I highly doubt it.

Walsh confirmed that the scouts were high on Jennings last year. Walsh basically said they should have pushed harder for them. I will find the exact quote and update my post.

"I couldn't get a feel for his game," Walsh said of Jennings last month. "One scout said he thought Brandon Jennings was very good. I said, 'If he's that good you should come in my door every five minutes and tell me.'"

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/12/10/2009-12-10_walsh_scouts_for_excuses.html

Walsh makes the final call on who we draft NOT the scout. Was the scout supposed to jump on Walsh's desk and stomp his feet until Walsh drafted Jennings?

uh, yeah, he was supposed to stomp his feet. it also says that this dude is not often in touch with the knicks organization and he was more contact with isiah than the knicks. AND he advised some HS player to go play for FIU... dude is shady and in isiah's pocket.

this whole story is all about the divisive power struggle that isiah is still leading in this organization. he did it against larry brown and now it looks like he's waging war against donnie walsh.

donnie's side puts out a story about the scouts behaving illegally so he is finally allowed to make changes to the scouting department.

isiah's side responds that his guys wanted jennings.

i'm so sick of isiah. he's toxic.

Not that it matters--but I doubt this is BS. All anyone has to do is ask D Walsh if these guys really wanted Jennings--if its true--hes not going to lie about it!

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:Jennings is a good player but I can totally understand why the Knicks took a pass at the time.

After the Marbury saga they did not want to deal with another headcase at the PG position.

pretty much how i see it... not that Jennings has proven to be a headcase, but he did show some signs of being overly brash w/his talk about Rubio & also being a no show to the group workouts that several NBA teams attended (i believe that was the report)

if we could do it all over again, obviously we should have taken Jennings... Donnie made a mistake on passing him, it's clear, but i do see the reasoning why he did so... w/the David Lee situation up in the air at the time i also understand why he decided on taking Jordan Hill.

D'Antoni and Walsh should have done a better job of tanking the season before, and then they could have taken Curry who they were both in love with.

Tanking to get a better lottery spot is something we've never done. I can think of so many times where it seemed to make sense to do it but we never do. There's this foolish sense of pride that this franchise has. It's part of the culture.

nixluva wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:Jennings is a good player but I can totally understand why the Knicks took a pass at the time.

After the Marbury saga they did not want to deal with another headcase at the PG position.

pretty much how i see it... not that Jennings has proven to be a headcase, but he did show some signs of being overly brash w/his talk about Rubio & also being a no show to the group workouts that several NBA teams attended (i believe that was the report)

if we could do it all over again, obviously we should have taken Jennings... Donnie made a mistake on passing him, it's clear, but i do see the reasoning why he did so... w/the David Lee situation up in the air at the time i also understand why he decided on taking Jordan Hill.

D'Antoni and Walsh should have done a better job of tanking the season before, and then they could have taken Curry who they were both in love with.

Tanking to get a better lottery spot is something we've never done. I can think of so many times where it seemed to make sense to do it but we never do. There's this foolish sense of pride that this franchise has. It's part of the culture.

Not tanking 3 years ago to get Lebron etc is the dumbest thing this franchise ever did. We were old, and mediocre anshamelessly capped out. How were we planning on building the team? If ever there was a year to "tank" that was it.

nixluva wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:Jennings is a good player but I can totally understand why the Knicks took a pass at the time.

After the Marbury saga they did not want to deal with another headcase at the PG position.

pretty much how i see it... not that Jennings has proven to be a headcase, but he did show some signs of being overly brash w/his talk about Rubio & also being a no show to the group workouts that several NBA teams attended (i believe that was the report)

if we could do it all over again, obviously we should have taken Jennings... Donnie made a mistake on passing him, it's clear, but i do see the reasoning why he did so... w/the David Lee situation up in the air at the time i also understand why he decided on taking Jordan Hill.

D'Antoni and Walsh should have done a better job of tanking the season before, and then they could have taken Curry who they were both in love with.

Tanking to get a better lottery spot is something we've never done. I can think of so many times where it seemed to make sense to do it but we never do. There's this foolish sense of pride that this franchise has. It's part of the culture.

Nothing to do with the franchise...everything to do with being an athlete and competitor.

Bippity10 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:Jennings is a good player but I can totally understand why the Knicks took a pass at the time.

After the Marbury saga they did not want to deal with another headcase at the PG position.

pretty much how i see it... not that Jennings has proven to be a headcase, but he did show some signs of being overly brash w/his talk about Rubio & also being a no show to the group workouts that several NBA teams attended (i believe that was the report)

if we could do it all over again, obviously we should have taken Jennings... Donnie made a mistake on passing him, it's clear, but i do see the reasoning why he did so... w/the David Lee situation up in the air at the time i also understand why he decided on taking Jordan Hill.

D'Antoni and Walsh should have done a better job of tanking the season before, and then they could have taken Curry who they were both in love with.

Tanking to get a better lottery spot is something we've never done. I can think of so many times where it seemed to make sense to do it but we never do. There's this foolish sense of pride that this franchise has. It's part of the culture.

Not tanking 3 years ago to get Lebron etc is the dumbest thing this franchise ever did. We were old, and mediocre anshamelessly capped out. How were we planning on building the team? If ever there was a year to "tank" that was it.

oh if i could only rehash the old MSG forums debates about tanking that year of the Lebron draft... i remember getting slammed for wanting to tank that year.