Mray20 wrote:Here we go again, I got a bad feeling Randolph will be in the doghouse which is only going to hurt his trade value should we need to use him as trad bait.

His piss-poor play is hurting his trade value.........

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Here we go again, I got a bad feeling Randolph will be in the doghouse which is only going to hurt his trade value should we need to use him as trad bait.

I doubt that, he was in don nelson dog house and got traded with glowing reviews despite only playing 33 games..

he should play with a chip on his shoulders, not a brick

He is already there. He was the guy that had to endure D'Antoni's screaming fit in the first or second game. He is the guy getting blasted in the press. He is the perfect fit, young, talented, lacking some maturity, needing to be coached, mentored and taught. That hasn't happened so far in NY with D'Antoni.

I have a feeling that if Larry Brown or Van Gundy made the same honest assessment of Randolphs piss-poor play thus far, you would applaud the comments. But because its MDA and you are anti-anything related to MDA, its a problem. What the hell is wrong with a coach telling the truth?! He said Randolph had a low motor during the game? It was true. Feilds has out played him. Anyone who has honestly assessed both during the preseaon thus far would concur.

BTW, MDA went out of his way to praise the kid's potential right after the trade, then gave an honest assesment of his poor play after the game. Coaches do this all the time.

Guys like Riley, JVG, LB, Sloan etc say stuff all the time about their players. They can like or lump it. When Mike does the same thing people wanna say its a flaw in his coaching character. AR needs to bust it on the court and it's that simple. Get in the mix and throw himself into the action. That's one thing he can do for sure. He may not be capable in all other aspects just yet, but energy plays should abound from this guy. That's on the player and the coach speaks the truth about it.

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Here we go again, I got a bad feeling Randolph will be in the doghouse which is only going to hurt his trade value should we need to use him as trad bait.

I doubt that, he was in don nelson dog house and got traded with glowing reviews despite only playing 33 games..

he should play with a chip on his shoulders, not a brick

He is already there. He was the guy that had to endure D'Antoni's screaming fit in the first or second game. He is the guy getting blasted in the press. He is the perfect fit, young, talented, lacking some maturity, needing to be coached, mentored and taught. That hasn't happened so far in NY with D'Antoni.

I have a feeling that is Larry Brown or Van Gundy made the same honest assessment of Randolphs piss-poor play thus far, you would applaud the comments. But because its MDA and you are anti-anything related to MDA, its a problem. What the hell is wrong with a coach telling the truth?! He said Randolph had a low motor during the game? It was true. Feilds has out played him. Anyone who has honestly assessed both during the preseaon thus would concur.

BTW, MDA went out of his way to praise the kid's potential right after the trade, then gave an honest assesment of his poor play after the game. Coaches do this all the time.

CrushAlot wrote:From Adamek's blog.

And MD’A hedged Thursday when asked about Anthony Randolph’s season-opening role, saying it could be “at the end of the bench.”

Can you say, “Uh-oh.”

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/knickknacks/is_this_team_ready

MDA actually wins a point in my book for that comment!

"Potential and PRoject" are not terms we made up.

Thats his GM and coach talking.

CrushAlot wrote:The only guy that played his way off the bench last year was Toney Douglas. However, it coincided with Walsh traveling with the team to evaluate the players and coaching staff. This is just bad. Randolph should be in the rotation. D'Antoni lets guys rot and doesn't communicate with them. My guess is Randolph sits until Walsh finally trades him for a pick to include in the Mello deal.

First you assume way too much. Secondly, never mind the coach, be honest, after watching Randolph play this preseason, break down why he should have a gauranteed spot in the rotation? Also, if he's in, who's out? Feilds? Eventhough Feilds out played Randoplh thus far?

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The only guy that played his way off the bench last year was Toney Douglas. However, it coincided with Walsh traveling with the team to evaluate the players and coaching staff. This is just bad. Randolph should be in the rotation. D'Antoni lets guys rot and doesn't communicate with them. My guess is Randolph sits until Walsh finally trades him for a pick to include in the Mello deal.

First you assume way too much. Secondly, never mind the coach, be honest, after watching Randolph play this preseason, break down why he should have a gauranteed spot in the rotation? Also, if he's in, who's out? Feilds? Eventhough Feilds out played Randoplh thus far?

Mike has gone on record saying that he has repeatedly talked to both AR and Gallo about what they need to do. We've got the least access to what goes on in practice and the lockerroom, so it seems to me that there are a lot of assumptions being made.

Mike has had success with young players on his teams in the past and I really don't know where this idea that he doesn't work with his kids comes from. Case in point is when he started out in PHX. He was an assistant 1st. In 2002, he was an assistant in PHX, then in 2003 with 61 games left he was promoted to head coach. The next season, they got Steve Nash, but the team overall was still very young. He had been working with those same young players the previous year.

No.	Player	      Pos	Ht	Wt	Birth Date	        Exp
10	Leandro Barbosa	G	6-3	176	November 28, 1982	1
11	Zarko Cabarkapa	F	6-11	235	May 21, 1981	        1
45	Steven Hunter	C	7-0	220	October 31, 1981	3
21	Jim Jackson	G	6-6	220	October 14, 1970	12
23	Casey Jacobsen	G-F	6-6	215	March 19, 1981	        2
2	Joe Johnson	G	6-8	225	June 29, 1981	        3
30	Maciej Lampe	F	6-11	275	February 5, 1985	1
31	Shawn Marion	F	6-7	220	May 7, 1978	        5
0	Walter McCarty	F	6-10	230	February 1, 1974	8
13	Steve Nash	G	6-3	195	February 7, 1974	8
46	Bo Outlaw	F	6-8	210	April 13, 1971	        11
1	Smush Parker	G	6-4	190	June 1, 1981	        1
3	Quentin Richardson	G	6-6	223	April 13, 1980	4
17	Paul Shirley	F	6-10	230	December 23, 1977	2
32	Amare StoudemireF-C	6-10	245	November 16, 1982	2
1	Yuta Tabuse	G	5-9	165	October 5, 1980	        R
43	Jake Voskuhl	C	6-11	245	November 1, 1977	4
4	Jackson Vroman	F-C	6-10	220	June 6, 1981	        R

The thing is he played a lot of these young guys and it was a 62 win team!

nixluva wrote:How do we know just what Mike says to his players in those little moments on the side at practice? It's assumed that he just runs the drills and doesn't say a word to anyone. Just leaves practice and isn't talking to his players about what they need to do to improve! is that what some of you are trying to say? The things he's talking about to the press it seems he's saying the exact same things to these players directly to their face.

Mike has gone on record saying that he has repeatedly talked to both AR and Gallo about what they need to do. We've got the least access to what goes on in practice and the lockerroom, so it seems to me that there are a lot of assumptions being made.

Mike has had success with young players on his teams in the past and I really don't know where this idea that he doesn't work with his kids comes from. Case in point is when he started out in PHX. He was an assistant 1st. In 2002, he was an assistant in PHX, then in 2003 with 61 games left he was promoted to head coach. The next season, they got Steve Nash, but the team overall was still very young. He had been working with those same young players the previous year.

No.	Player	      Pos	Ht	Wt	Birth Date	        Exp
10	Leandro Barbosa	G	6-3	176	November 28, 1982	1
11	Zarko Cabarkapa	F	6-11	235	May 21, 1981	        1
45	Steven Hunter	C	7-0	220	October 31, 1981	3
21	Jim Jackson	G	6-6	220	October 14, 1970	12
23	Casey Jacobsen	G-F	6-6	215	March 19, 1981	        2
2	Joe Johnson	G	6-8	225	June 29, 1981	        3
30	Maciej Lampe	F	6-11	275	February 5, 1985	1
31	Shawn Marion	F	6-7	220	May 7, 1978	        5
0	Walter McCarty	F	6-10	230	February 1, 1974	8
13	Steve Nash	G	6-3	195	February 7, 1974	8
46	Bo Outlaw	F	6-8	210	April 13, 1971	        11
1	Smush Parker	G	6-4	190	June 1, 1981	        1
3	Quentin Richardson	G	6-6	223	April 13, 1980	4
17	Paul Shirley	F	6-10	230	December 23, 1977	2
32	Amare StoudemireF-C	6-10	245	November 16, 1982	2
1	Yuta Tabuse	G	5-9	165	October 5, 1980	        R
43	Jake Voskuhl	C	6-11	245	November 1, 1977	4
4	Jackson Vroman	F-C	6-10	220	June 6, 1981	        R

The thing is he played a lot of these young guys and it was a 62 win team!

62 wins!!!!

Your forgetting the Marbury Factor: Less Marbury is more!!!!

And Lampe was on that roster!!!!

nixluva wrote:I just find it funny how facts get overlooked when it comes to Mike and some fans. The guy took over a team full of kids and he played them while still trying to win. IF our young players do exactly what he says they'll be successful here too. AR needs to listen to what his coaches are trying to teach him and not be worried about truthful postgame comments.